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[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Scorpions are commonly found within savannahs, rainforests, grasslands, and some caves as well. Which would also explain the elephants.

Fair enough. We have giant spiders, why not giant scorpions?

Edit: Good catch on the Behemoth. Notice the Nightmare in the demons list too.

That...thing...doesn't really look like either a bear or a rhino to me.  Kind of a sort of bovine-ish...thing.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Scorpions are commonly found within savannahs, rainforests, grasslands, and some caves as well. Which would also explain the elephants.

Fair enough. We have giant spiders, why not giant scorpions?

Edit: Good catch on the Behemoth. Notice the Nightmare in the demons list too.

That...thing...doesn't really look like either a bear or a rhino to me.  Kind of a sort of bovine-ish...thing.

Looks like a wyvern to me.

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If Tevinter can have giant scorpions, Orlais can have Wyverns.
DO IT BIOWARE!

Orlais already has wyverns...

And they should be more commonly used. As in, cavalry should be replaced by...wyvernry.

I'd expect that wyverns would be rather hard to domesticate.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Scorpions are commonly found within savannahs, rainforests, grasslands, and some caves as well. Which would also explain the elephants.

Fair enough. We have giant spiders, why not giant scorpions?

Edit: Good catch on the Behemoth. Notice the Nightmare in the demons list too.

That...thing...doesn't really look like either a bear or a rhino to me.  Kind of a sort of bovine-ish...thing.

Looks like a wyvern to me.

....Are we looking at the same thing?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...


You remember incorrectly.  Both
Wilhelm and his son Matthias were mages.  On this the lore is clear and
there is no argument to be had. 

Okay, then she did. On the other hand, I looked back through the thread, and she ended up conceding this point in favor of arguing that he's probably a mage. Having finally found your argument against that, I'd have to say she's right there.

And well i never claimed that wilhelm wasn't mage only that it was never stated that his son was so don't ask my why he put there wilhelm

For the sake of being specific, I can only assume.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Scorpions are commonly found within savannahs, rainforests, grasslands, and some caves as well. Which would also explain the elephants.

Fair enough. We have giant spiders, why not giant scorpions?

Edit: Good catch on the Behemoth. Notice the Nightmare in the demons list too.

That...thing...doesn't really look like either a bear or a rhino to me.  Kind of a sort of bovine-ish...thing.

Looks like a wyvern to me.

....Are we looking at the same thing?

I was initially talking about what was next to the giant scorpion as the wyvern. I was also talking about the Nightmare in the Demons section.

[MisterJB]

Silfren wrote...
I'd expect that wyverns would be rather hard to domesticate.

Most likely but the Duke accomplished it. The benefits of having batallions of the best soldiers available mounting small dragons capable of spewing venom should be worth the difficulties.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...


You remember incorrectly.  Both
Wilhelm and his son Matthias were mages.  On this the lore is clear and
there is no argument to be had. 

Okay, then she did. On the other hand, I looked back through the thread, and she ended up conceding this point in favor of arguing that he's probably a mage. Having finally found your argument against that, I'd have to say she's right there.

And well i never claimed that wilhelm wasn't mage only that it was never stated that his son was so don't ask my why he put there wilhelm

For the sake of being specific, I can only assume.

On what i responded that he have no prove that he is mage which ended me stating that he had key for barrier and loo (user) stating that im wrong and i ended quoting and he still was pushing that im wrong about key and pointed video without mentioned key so i pointed that video with mentioned key then you showed up...  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:27 .

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...
And rare doesn't men "non-existant"
Rare though they maybe, Abominations still exist. And measures should be taken to ensure the damage caused by them is lessened.

I never said that abomination don't exist, they do. I said that they're rare according to the lore. You seem to think that every mage who gets set free will become an abomination and destroy cities.


 

MisterJB wrote...
I'm not disagreeing that the Crows aren't morally upstanding citizens. But they are not as dangerous as mages nor are their actions as devastating as those of Abominations.

Theirs far more Crows than they're Abominations. The fact to the matter is with their reputation they essentinally rule their country. To me that is signicant amount of politcal power that the Crows have. That is like giving the key to the city to serial killers, and letting them be set free so they can keep murdering people.


 

MisterJB wrote...
So...what? Do you agree Connor should have been sent to the Circle in the first place?

Yes. Connor should've went to the Circle to get proper training for his magical talents. I'm not an anti Circle... just anti Chantry controlled Circles. Mages should be allowed to self-govern their Circles.

MisterJB wrote...
Look, once and for all, I am NOT saying that mages have a greater tendency towards harmful actions than normal people do. They have the same, yes.
And this means that, even if there are many mages who might do nothing but live normal lives if given the chance, there are also a great many number of mages who would abuse their powers. And then there is also the fact that mages can have their bodies taken over by demons in which case, it won't matter how righteous the mage may or may not be. He'll become a force of destruction.
So, will ALL mages harm normal people if given freedom? No but many will. Both out of their own volution and not. This is simply unavoidable.
Therefore, my question is as follows.
We know that if a mage is sent to the Circle, that mages will have their freedoms greatly diminished. And we also know that if a mage becomes an Abomination, many normal, innocent people will die.
Based on this, why is it that what mages stand to lose (their freedom), is more valuable than what normals stand to lose (their lives)?

Unless if you can predict the future you honestly can't say that many of the mages would abuse their power. Granted some might, but that doesn't mean that the rest of them would do it. Mages cannot be possessed unless if they're willing to be posessed. Those that do were either an idiot for summing a demon of greater power or too weak. Either way the world of Thedas would not become a breeding ground for abominations if mages were free.If it did then Tevinter Imperium would be saturated with abominations and possessed mages because the templars there wields far less power than they do furthur south.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...
Granted, much of DA2 was spent fighting too many God damn blood mages and abominations. I thought Broken Circle in DAO was ok, but DA2's amount was just freaking ridiculous.

Yeah I agree. Whats even more ridiculous is that the devs decided to turn Orsino into a harvester for the sake of adding in yet another boss. I just hope that they learned a valuable lesson, and not do this again for the future Dragon Age series.

I don't want Dragon Age becoming a hack and slash type of game. It is what turned me off when playing Skyrim.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

On what i responded that he have no prove that he is mage which ended me stating that he had key for barrier and loo (user) stating that im wrong and i ended quoting and he still was pushing that im wrong about key and pointed video without mentioned key so i pointed that video with mentioned key then you showed up...  

Actually, I showed up slightly before the video was posted, and replied directly to the post in which you quoted.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:35 .

[Lord Raijin]

Silfren wrote...

So did I.  I would happily concede that Bioware needs to do a better job of making the gameplay better reflect the lore.  I get that there's limitations to how well that can be done, but I think most of those limitations are more to do with the PC being fabulously bad-ass.  There's no reason to give us thousands of abominations as mooks to kill whe doing so contradicts the lore.  Hell, overrunning us with carta dwarves and coterie thugs would make better sense.

Although SOME of us do have the means of separating gameplay from lore...

If Bioware has to add in a few abominations IMO they should be treated as bosse or elites. They should be diffcult to kill.

Silfren wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Silfren, Are you Andraste?

Yes.  Yes, I am. 

I am
your Queen!  But I am not dark--but beautiful and terrible as the
Dawn!  Tempestuous as the Sea and stronger than the foundations of the
Earth!  All shall love me...and deachsplorfgag.....*dissolves into a
coughing fit*

As long as you're not the tyrant type of queen that throws frying pans at your people I will fight in your armies

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Im not protemplar but you arguing
with that everything we saw in games and other da products is wrong
because somwhere or someone stated that abomnations are rare despite we
can't pass few alleys without meeting one. Guess what is more important
something that happened and we saw it or someone who claims that didn't
happened despite we saw that happened? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

You fooled me because lately you've been posting pro-templar posts.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Look, once and for all, I am NOT saying that mages have a greater tendency towards harmful actions than normal people do. They have the same, yes.
And this means that, even if there are many mages who might do nothing but live normal lives if given the chance, there are also a great many number of mages who would abuse their powers. And then there is also the fact that mages can have their bodies taken over by demons in which case, it won't matter how righteous the mage may or may not be. He'll become a force of destruction.
So, will ALL mages harm normal people if given freedom? No but many will. Both out of their own volution and not. This is simply unavoidable.
Therefore, my question is as follows.
We know that if a mage is sent to the Circle, that mages will have their freedoms greatly diminished. And we also know that if a mage becomes an Abomination, many normal, innocent people will die.
Based on this, why is it that what mages stand to lose (their freedom), is more valuable than what normals stand to lose (their lives)?

Unless if you can predict the future you honestly can't say that many of the mages would abuse their power. Granted some might, but that doesn't mean that the rest of them would do it. Mages cannot be possessed unless if they're willing to be posessed. Those that do were either an idiot for summing a demon of greater power or too weak. Either way the world of Thedas would not become a breeding ground for abominations if mages were free.If it did then Tevinter Imperium would be saturated with abominations and possessed mages because the templars there wields far less power than they do furthur south.

Well that mages have don't greater potential toward harmful actions normal peoples isn't true simple they have more power than normal humans and well power corrupts so what makes them already more harmful , their powers are more unpredictable and that makes them more harmeful and ultimately normal humans can't trun into abomnation and well let be honest harme that abomnaion can done is catastrophic.

And yes mages can be possesed if they don't want be possesed and well they can't as well DG said that when mages must require agreement but it isn't just "yes you can posses me" it is i guess subconscious and mage may even don't know that he is controled by demon.   

I don't need predict furure to state that peoples will abuse their position because it is old like world that they will well not including some individuals most will do that why do you think laws exist for?Laws exist to intimidate peoples to not do that what nation don't want peoples to do and even laws often fail and thats why we have crimes. 
Templars or mages that doesn't matter if one will end with power they will abuse it. 

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Im not protemplar but you arguing
with that everything we saw in games and other da products is wrong
because somwhere or someone stated that abomnations are rare despite we
can't pass few alleys without meeting one. Guess what is more important
something that happened and we saw it or someone who claims that didn't
happened despite we saw that happened? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

You fooled me because lately you've been posting pro-templar posts.

Im anti-mage but not because i care about non-mages because i care about my business and well abomnations are bad for it despite that i will play as mage im also anti-templar and chantry i have other reason but lies they aren good for my business and future plans. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:50 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Indeed. The video has his hands glowing as he lets the Warden through a barrier.

A mage helping out the villagers? NO WAY! That can't be! My eyes are playing tricks on me. How come he hasn't been turned into an abomination yet? QUICK! someone call the templars and throw him into the Circle!

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

His son was a ****** poor mage. Not only couldn't he kill a few measly Darkspawn, he couldn't even brave a few Shades for the sake of his daugther.

The mundanes at the circle tower were ****** poor Templars. Not only they couldn't kill a few measly abominations and other demons, but some actually gave in to the tempations and became a thrall.

If these poor excuse for a templars were properly trained to fight demons, blood mages and abominations then they wouldn't be begging the Grand Cleric the R.O.A.

Darth Brotarian wrote...
#LordEbenezerRaijin

wh... what? 

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

Silfren wrote...
I'd expect that wyverns would be rather hard to domesticate.

Most likely but the Duke accomplished it. The benefits of having batallions of the best soldiers available mounting small dragons capable of spewing venom should be worth the difficulties.

I'd say the Duke tamed his wyvern; domestication isn't the same thing.  But I'd forgotten about that.  Maybe it's easier to train wyverns than I'd thought it would be.

Modifié par Silfren, 05 décembre 2013 - 12:13 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

His son was a ****** poor mage. Not only couldn't he kill a few measly Darkspawn, he couldn't even brave a few Shades for the sake of his daugther.

The mundanes at the circle tower were ****** poor Templars. Not only they couldn't kill a few measly abominations and other demons, but some actually gave in to the tempations and became a thrall.

If these poor excuse for a templars were properly trained to fight demons, blood mages and abominations then they wouldn't be begging the Grand Cleric the R.O.A.

And here I thought that the Warden made the demons look weak by virtue of being a PC.

[Silfren]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...


You remember incorrectly.  Both
Wilhelm and his son Matthias were mages.  On this the lore is clear and
there is no argument to be had. 

Okay, then she did. On the other hand, I looked back through the thread, and she ended up conceding this point in favor of arguing that he's probably a mage. Having finally found your argument against that, I'd have to say she's right there.

Pretty much.  I'd remembered Matthias as clearly using magic to lower the barrier he had erected; I hadn't realized that there was dialogue that made it ambiguous whether he actually worked magic himself or simply somehow activated a "key" his father had created. It's also worth noting that he isn't shown wearing any mage robes, and I can't think of any instance where a confirmed mage was wearing anything else. 

So, yes, I'll concede that for some reason the lore isn't as clear on that point as I'd thought.  It still strikes me that as unlikely that Matthias isn't a mage, though.  Otherwise it raises the question as to how a mage can manipulate magic created by someone else--which definitely is an interesting twist, if it's true. 

Given that if this is the case, it would seem that it has to do with Matthias's blood...was it a case of blood magic?

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...


You remember incorrectly.  Both
Wilhelm and his son Matthias were mages.  On this the lore is clear and
there is no argument to be had. 

Okay, then she did. On the other hand, I looked back through the thread, and she ended up conceding this point in favor of arguing that he's probably a mage. Having finally found your argument against that, I'd have to say she's right there.

Pretty much.  I'd remembered Matthias as clearly using magic to lower the barrier he had erected; I hadn't realized that there was dialogue that made it ambiguous whether he actually worked magic himself or simply somehow activated a "key" his father had created. It's also worth noting that he isn't shown wearing any mage robes, and I can't think of any instance where a confirmed mage was wearing anything else. 

So, yes, I'll concede that for some reason the lore isn't as clear on that point as I'd thought.  It still strikes me that as unlikely that Matthias isn't a mage, though.  Otherwise it raises the question as to how a mage can manipulate magic created by someone else--which definitely is an interesting twist, if it's true. 

Given that if this is the case, it would seem that it has to do with Matthias's blood...was it a case of blood magic?

I am thinking it is more a case of his father keying it to Matthias specifically. Or Wilhelm could have technically keyed it to his bloodline itself.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Silfren wrote...

So, yes, I'll concede that for some reason the lore isn't as clear on that point as I'd thought.  It still strikes me that as unlikely that Matthias isn't a mage, though.  Otherwise it raises the question as to how a mage can manipulate magic created by someone else--which definitely is an interesting twist, if it's true.

A magical item might be able to do it, assuming the item was designed for a non-mage.

Given that if this is the case, it would seem that it has to do with Matthias's blood...was it a case of blood magic?

The basic idea, where the blood is combined with the magic to direct the effect rather than to power it, reminds me of the phylacteries, which are supposed to be a legal grey area. (Though I'd argue that the loophole only exists for the Chantry's benefit.)

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

So, yes, I'll concede that for some reason the lore isn't as clear on that point as I'd thought.  It still strikes me that as unlikely that Matthias isn't a mage, though.  Otherwise it raises the question as to how a mage can manipulate magic created by someone else--which definitely is an interesting twist, if it's true.

A magical item might be able to do it, assuming the item was designed for a non-mage.

Given that if this is the case, it would seem that it has to do with Matthias's blood...was it a case of blood magic?

The basic idea, where the blood is combined with the magic to direct the effect rather than to power it, reminds me of the phylacteries, which are supposed to be a legal grey area. (Though I'd argue that the loophole only exists for the Chantry's benefit.)

It may be similar to how Hawke's blood could unlock his/her father's spell using the Key.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...
A mage helping out the villagers? NO WAY! That can't be! My eyes are playing tricks on me. How come he hasn't been turned into an abomination yet? QUICK! someone call the templars and throw him into the Circle!

His family only had a demon in their cellar. Clearly, there is no risk of possession and no reason he should be in a Circle.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 décembre 2013 - 12:25 .

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...
I never said that abomination don't exist, they do. I said that they're rare according to the lore. You seem to think that every mage who gets set free will become an abomination and destroy cities. 

No, that is not what I think and I would appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth.
All I said was that a number of mages becoming Abominations is unavoidable and that if this happens outside of the Circle, we're looking at hundreds of dead people because some mages couldn't bothered to live in a secluded tower.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 décembre 2013 - 12:24 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

MisterJB wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
A mage helping out the villagers? NO WAY! That can't be! My eyes are playing tricks on me. How come he hasn't been turned into an abomination yet? QUICK! someone call the templars and throw him into the Circle!

His family only had a demon in their cellar. Clearly, there is no risk of possession and reason he should be in a Circle.

Well, a few more than "a demon." But let's just forget semantics for now.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
A mage helping out the villagers? NO WAY! That can't be! My eyes are playing tricks on me. How come he hasn't been turned into an abomination yet? QUICK! someone call the templars and throw him into the Circle!

His family only had a demon in their cellar. Clearly, there is no risk of possession and reason he should be in a Circle.

Well, a few more than "a demon." But let's just forget semantics for now.

Did Kitty summon those? Or did Wilhelm?