MisterJB wrote...
I didn't actually know these two existed so, I just checked the wiki and nearly died laughing.Medhia Nox wrote...
Gork and Mork (the Orkoid gods) are probably the only other Warp beings that could stop the Chaos gods - but then there'd be "nutt'n fer da dakka dakka!"
I love how the height of ork cunning as demonstrated by their god is "giving a low-blow".
MisterJB wrote...
I didn't actually know these two existed so, I just checked the wiki and nearly died laughing.Medhia Nox wrote...
Gork and Mork (the Orkoid gods) are probably the only other Warp beings that could stop the Chaos gods - but then there'd be "nutt'n fer da dakka dakka!"
I love how the height of ork cunning as demonstrated by their god is "giving a low-blow".
The Tyranid Hive Mind is actually a warp entity of itself. While Tau might be a young and naive race, it must be stated that they have proven remarkably resistant to chaos influence, despite having developed no defenses against them.Medhia Nox wrote...
@JullianWellpit: And no truer words have ever been spoken amongst the faithful!
Humanity empowers the The Emperor - not unlike worship of the Chaos gods feeds them. The Emperor is literally all that holds Chaos at bay. The Eldar know this - the Inquisition knows this, and I imagine the Adeptus Astartes are aware.
And a world that leaves the Imperium not only ceases to add strength (both physical and psychic) to the Imperium of Man - but will also chance predation by the other great powers of the galaxy. Honestly - any planet that leaves the Imperium has only a few options anyway: 1) Succumb to an alien power. 2) Be destroyed by an alien power. 3) Stay hidden as long as possible.
Gork and Mork (the Orkoid gods) are probably the only other Warp beings that could stop the Chaos gods - but then there'd be "nutt'n fer da dakka dakka!"
The Tyranids seek to devour all Warp generating entities (everyone else) - and the Necron seek to seal the Warp off permanently.
And the Tau are useless hippies.
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@EmperorSahlertz: Be clear though - there are MANY indications that, upon meeting the Emperor - those psykers actually understand and accept what they're doing.
Consdiering taht to be free from this dependency would mean the extinction of the human race, yes. Then it is too much to ask for.JulianWellpit wrote...
Medhia Nox wrote...
@JullianWellpit: And no truer words have ever been spoken amongst the faithful!
Humanity empowers the The Emperor - not unlike worship of the Chaos gods feeds them. The Emperor is literally all that holds Chaos at bay. The Eldar know this - the Inquisition knows this, and I imagine the Adeptus Astartes are aware.
And a world that leaves the Imperium not only ceases to add strength (both physical and psychic) to the Imperium of Man - but will also chance predation by the other great powers of the galaxy. Honestly - any planet that leaves the Imperium has only a few options anyway: 1) Succumb to an alien power. 2) Be destroyed by an alien power. 3) Stay hidden as long as possible.
Gork and Mork (the Orkoid gods) are probably the only other Warp beings that could stop the Chaos gods - but then there'd be "nutt'n fer da dakka dakka!"
The Tyranids seek to devour all Warp generating entities (everyone else) - and the Necron seek to seal the Warp off permanently.
And the Tau are useless hippies.
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@EmperorSahlertz: Be clear though - there are MANY indications that, upon meeting the Emperor - those psykers actually understand and accept what they're doing.
I just want them to be free of the mummy dependency. Is it too much ?
Besides, couldn't he reincarnate himself if he dies, just like the shamans that created him did ?
Or the psykers could try recreating the ritual that made The Emperor to make a new one. They are far more psykers now than in 8000 BC and even if some of them might not be so experienced, the numbers might help.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Consdiering taht to be free from this dependency would mean the extinction of the human race, yes. Then it is too much to ask for.
Tau are doing so well because Chaos has no interest in the meagre souls of the Tau. Also becuase the Tau has no psykers whatsoever, their means of interstellar travel are painfully slow comapred to every other race in the galaxy. That means that there is a limit to where the Tau can expand to, and beyond that limit, they will fracture into smaller buffer states to the actual Tau Empire, all because of the lack of communication within the Empire.JulianWellpit wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Consdiering taht to be free from this dependency would mean the extinction of the human race, yes. Then it is too much to ask for.
You didn't answer my full question.
The Emperor is dying. The Astronomican's decreasing range is proof of that. Why shouldn't they try to develop new tehnologies while he's still alive so that they would handle themselves after he's caput ( if he doesn't reincarnates or the psykers aren't making a new one as I said in my previous post ).
It wouldn't be an instant solution. It would need time, but it's possible. The Tau can handle themselves pretty well and they are an young race. Why couldn't humans try to develop their technology so that they wouldn't need him ?
Oh wait. I forgot. 500 trillion fanatics can't be wrong (Note: I didn't make you or any Emperor sympathizer a fanatic. Only the imaginary followers )
I'll just stay in the shadows and smirk when he finally dies and all of humanity realizes that they are screwed because all their major technology was based on his powers.
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eluvianix wrote...
It was actually Act III. Act 2's opening narraton just dealt with the Qunari. "Knight Commander Meredith stepped in to keep order. Things quickly got out of hand. The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more the mages resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After 3 years of that, it all came crashing down." ---taken directly from watching the opening Act 3 narration by Varric.
Thanks for correcting me my fine mage brother
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
It was actually Act III. Act 2's opening narraton just dealt with the Qunari. "Knight Commander Meredith stepped in to keep order. Things quickly got out of hand. The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more the mages resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After 3 years of that, it all came crashing down." ---taken directly from watching the opening Act 3 narration by Varric.
Ah
The pro-Templars can backup the Templars all they want but the fact is it was the templars that was driving the city into complete devastation.
The day when Knight-Commander Meredith delcared herself as the new Viscount of the city after the Quanri attacks was the day she delcared her little holy war against the mages. It was her plan all this time.
JulianWellpit wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
It was actually Act III. Act 2's opening narraton just dealt with the Qunari. "Knight Commander Meredith stepped in to keep order. Things quickly got out of hand. The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more the mages resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After 3 years of that, it all came crashing down." ---taken directly from watching the opening Act 3 narration by Varric.
Ah
The pro-Templars can backup the Templars all they want but the fact is it was the templars that was driving the city into complete devastation.
The day when Knight-Commander Meredith delcared herself as the new Viscount of the city after the Quanri attacks was the day she delcared her little holy war against the mages. It was her plan all this time.
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
eluvianix wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
It was actually Act III. Act 2's opening narraton just dealt with the Qunari. "Knight Commander Meredith stepped in to keep order. Things quickly got out of hand. The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more the mages resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After 3 years of that, it all came crashing down." ---taken directly from watching the opening Act 3 narration by Varric.
Ah
The pro-Templars can backup the Templars all they want but the fact is it was the templars that was driving the city into complete devastation.
The day when Knight-Commander Meredith delcared herself as the new Viscount of the city after the Quanri attacks was the day she delcared her little holy war against the mages. It was her plan all this time.
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
Meh. Wasn't a fan of Greagoir either.
Modifié par JulianWellpit, 07 décembre 2013 - 09:35 .
JulianWellpit wrote...
Not a big fan myself, but he seemed an ok templar. He gave the warden a chance to save The Circle, was strict and respected all the rules. He send me that feeling that, if you behave and don't break the rules, you don't have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you break the rules, be ready...Gregoir is coming.
He seemed the best balance between reason and severity.
+ I would really like if he was the father of a certain orlesian male mage , but that's just wishful thinking.
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Not a big fan myself, but he seemed an ok templar. He gave the warden a chance to save The Circle, was strict and respected all the rules. He send me that feeling that, if you behave and don't break the rules, you don't have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you break the rules, be ready...Gregoir is coming.
He seemed the best balance between reason and severity.
+ I would really like if he was the father of a certain orlesian male mage , but that's just wishful thinking.
He was a good deal worse in the comics, apparently. (I say apparently because I didn't read them, this is just what I heard.) On the other hand, he looked a lot younger in the comics. I figure he probably mellowed out a lot.
Yes. They are the ones that portrayed him in a much harsher light.JulianWellpit wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Not a big fan myself, but he seemed an ok templar. He gave the warden a chance to save The Circle, was strict and respected all the rules. He send me that feeling that, if you behave and don't break the rules, you don't have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you break the rules, be ready...Gregoir is coming.
He seemed the best balance between reason and severity.
+ I would really like if he was the father of a certain orlesian male mage , but that's just wishful thinking.
He was a good deal worse in the comics, apparently. (I say apparently because I didn't read them, this is just what I heard.) On the other hand, he looked a lot younger in the comics. I figure he probably mellowed out a lot.
In the ones with Gleam ?
JulianWellpit wrote...
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
Modifié par Lord Raijin, 07 décembre 2013 - 10:32 .
eluvianix wrote...
Yes. They are the ones that portrayed him in a much harsher light.JulianWellpit wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Not a big fan myself, but he seemed an ok templar. He gave the warden a chance to save The Circle, was strict and respected all the rules. He send me that feeling that, if you behave and don't break the rules, you don't have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you break the rules, be ready...Gregoir is coming.
He seemed the best balance between reason and severity.
+ I would really like if he was the father of a certain orlesian male mage , but that's just wishful thinking.
He was a good deal worse in the comics, apparently. (I say apparently because I didn't read them, this is just what I heard.) On the other hand, he looked a lot younger in the comics. I figure he probably mellowed out a lot.
In the ones with Gleam ?
Lord Raijin wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
When It comes to Greagoir I'm somewhat on the neutral side, as a pro-mager. I suppose my RP point of view takes over. I can appreicate him not harassing Irving and making his life a hell like the way Meredith did with poor Orsino. I'm glad that he and the First enchanter has some relationship going on, and that he legitimately shows concern for him.
When I read stuffs like this:
“It is the innocent folk of Ferelden who matter. I would lay down my life, and the life of any mage, to protect them.”
and
Sten: "This is why on Par Vollen we sow our mages' mouths shut and cut out their tongues."
Greagoir: "I'm inclined to agree with your friend. After all, the Qunari would never have found themselves in this situation."
This tells me a lot about his personal opinions about mages, and he could very well turn out to be another Meredith.
On a non-mage charater he essentinally confesses to the PC that he would not only lay down his life, but also the life of any mage to protect the "innocent" people of Ferelden. That just ruffles up my feathers when he included mages in his sentence. It brings me back to the way the Qunari treats their mages during battle.
I can't help but to think about this photo when he included mages in his own personal army to defend those innocent folk in Ferelden.
Modifié par JulianWellpit, 07 décembre 2013 - 10:40 .
Lord Raijin wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
When It comes to Greagoir I'm somewhat on the neutral side, as a pro-mager. I suppose my RP point of view takes over. I can appreicate him not harassing Irving and making his life a hell like the way Meredith did with poor Orsino. I'm glad that he and the First enchanter has some relationship going on, and that he legitimately shows concern for him.
Lord Raijin wrote...
When I read stuffs like this:
“It is the innocent folk of Ferelden who matter. I would lay down my life, and the life of any mage, to protect them.”
and
Sten: "This is why on Par Vollen we sow our mages' mouths shut and cut out their tongues."
Greagoir: "I'm inclined to agree with your friend. After all, the Qunari would never have found themselves in this situation."
This tells me a lot about his personal opinions about mages, and he could very well turn out to be another Meredith.
On a non-mage charater he essentinally confesses to the PC that he would not only lay down his life, but also the life of any mage to protect the "innocent" people of Ferelden. That just ruffles up my feathers when he included mages in his sentence. It brings me back to the way the Qunari treats their mages during battle.
I can't help but to think about this photo when he included mages in his own personal army to defend those innocent folk in Ferelden.
DPSSOC wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
JulianWellpit wrote...
Meredith is not the best example of a knight commander. On the other hand, I think Gregoir is a good example. He respects the rules and would never hurt a mage withouth a reason , even if he's not the most mage friendly guy.
When It comes to Greagoir I'm somewhat on the neutral side, as a pro-mager. I suppose my RP point of view takes over. I can appreicate him not harassing Irving and making his life a hell like the way Meredith did with poor Orsino. I'm glad that he and the First enchanter has some relationship going on, and that he legitimately shows concern for him.
Poor Orsino? You mean the man who unwittingly assisted a serial killer and then refused to inform anyone when he learned the truth? The man who obstructed authourities from investigating criminal mages he knew were there? The man who knew there was a potential conspiracy within the Circle against the Knight Commander and said nothing? Yes, poor Orsino. Look Meredith might have been the absolute worst Knight Commander in existence, but you can't give her grief for being gruff with Orsino when we're given no indication he made any attempt to be cooperative.
DPSSOC wrote...
Yeah I'm understanding, if not sympathetic, to Orsino's position, but it's disingenuous to suggest he was just a victim suffering under Meredith when he did, in his own way, contribute to the situation.
eluvianix wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Yeah I'm understanding, if not sympathetic, to Orsino's position, but it's disingenuous to suggest he was just a victim suffering under Meredith when he did, in his own way, contribute to the situation.
How exactly did he "contribute" to the situation? He didn't resort to blood magic until after Meredith started her Annulment.
Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 décembre 2013 - 04:54 .
eluvianix wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Yeah I'm understanding, if not sympathetic, to Orsino's position, but it's disingenuous to suggest he was just a victim suffering under Meredith when he did, in his own way, contribute to the situation.
How exactly did he "contribute" to the situation? He didn't resort to blood magic until after Meredith started her Annulment.
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Yeah I'm understanding, if not sympathetic, to Orsino's position, but it's disingenuous to suggest he was just a victim suffering under Meredith when he did, in his own way, contribute to the situation.
How exactly did he "contribute" to the situation? He didn't resort to blood magic until after Meredith started her Annulment.
Because if he'd bitten the bullet and informed her when he realized what Quentin was, Meredith would have had a serial killer to parade around, but that killer wouldn't have gotten the mother of the city's new hero. What Orsino did with that plan was to give Meredith more corpses to show off, including one with a really famous relative.
And what good what it have done to tell her? Meredith would have sunk him like a stone, no questions asked.DPSSOC wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Yeah I'm understanding, if not sympathetic, to Orsino's position, but it's disingenuous to suggest he was just a victim suffering under Meredith when he did, in his own way, contribute to the situation.
How exactly did he "contribute" to the situation? He didn't resort to blood magic until after Meredith started her Annulment.
In short, refusing to be helpful. I'm not saying he should have gone along with everything Meredith wanted, but an authourity figure is less likely to resort to force as a first resort if they feel there's a good chance of cooperation. Orsino not only covered up for criminal actions (even if only by not reporting them), he obstructed investigations into criminal actions. If the First Enchanter refuses to assist in policing mages Meredith has no reason to believe any other mage will so she has to apply greater pressure to force compliance.
eluvianix wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Because if he'd bitten the bullet and informed her when he realized what Quentin was, Meredith would have had a serial killer to parade around, but that killer wouldn't have gotten the mother of the city's new hero. What Orsino did with that plan was to give Meredith more corpses to show off, including one with a really famous relative.
Meredith would have begun to squeeze even tighter on the Mages in response. Unfortunately, even though we don't know the exact depth of his relationship with Quentin, if Orsino had fessed up, Meredith would have sunk him like a stone. Their falling out was an inevitable occurence. I'm not saying Orsino was a victim, not by any stretch of the imagination, but he did not actually do anything until Meredith struck first.
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