MisterJB wrote...
And Alain was a confirmed blood mage in act; and he appears in the Circle during the Annulment if Hawke sides with the mages.
So, yes, Meredith allowed a confirmed blood mage to return to the Circle when she was at her most "demented". Hadly befitting of the "merciless tyrant" image.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Not executed but were made tranquil
Was he or was he not a blood mage?eluvianix wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
And Alain was a confirmed blood mage in act; and he appears in the Circle during the Annulment if Hawke sides with the mages.
So, yes, Meredith allowed a confirmed blood mage to return to the Circle when she was at her most "demented". Hadly befitting of the "merciless tyrant" image.
The only act of blood magic by Alain was to unbind the Champion's friend/lover/sibling in the Act III quest. He surrendered to the Templars in Act of Mercy because he was scared of the blood magic that Decimus was performing.
ScarMK wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Not executed but were made tranquil
The cynic in me is suspicious at the "I hear" part.
Modifié par Lord Raijin, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:08 .
He performed blood magic, yes, but only in that one instance. He was scared when Decimus began using blood magic in Act 1, and so ran out to Ser Thrask to surrender.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Was he or was he not a blood mage?eluvianix wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
And Alain was a confirmed blood mage in act; and he appears in the Circle during the Annulment if Hawke sides with the mages.
So, yes, Meredith allowed a confirmed blood mage to return to the Circle when she was at her most "demented". Hadly befitting of the "merciless tyrant" image.
The only act of blood magic by Alain was to unbind the Champion's friend/lover/sibling in the Act III quest. He surrendered to the Templars in Act of Mercy because he was scared of the blood magic that Decimus was performing.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Before Meredith things were far different, according to Thrask.
More Rassler's photos regarding to the Sarkhaven mages in the gallows.
eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Before Meredith things were far different, according to Thrask.
More Rassler's photos regarding to the Sarkhaven mages in the gallows.
Thrask is quoted as saying that the mages were excuted, not made Tranquil.
Hang on. I am trying to hunt it down....Wait, in this picture, did the guy let the mages go free, or did he return Grace's group to the circle?Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Before Meredith things were far different, according to Thrask.
More Rassler's photos regarding to the Sarkhaven mages in the gallows.
Thrask is quoted as saying that the mages were excuted, not made Tranquil.
I don't remember him saying that. Do you have a screenshot?
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Isn't it unreliable to use hearsay as evidence? Remember the rumors those templars had about how there were templars disappearing because of a secret initiation ritual that turned out to be BS and the work of a group of rogue blood mages putting demons in people?
Yeah, rumors get spread and then people believe them, and just because people believe it, doesn't make it actually true. For all we know, those three starkhaven mages were blood mages. Given how prevalent the amount of blood magic was thanks to orsino, that isn't that unlikely.
eluvianix wrote...
Hang on. I am trying to hunt it down....Wait, in this picture, did the guy let the mages go free, or did he return Grace's group to the circle?
eluvianix wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Isn't it unreliable to use hearsay as evidence? Remember the rumors those templars had about how there were templars disappearing because of a secret initiation ritual that turned out to be BS and the work of a group of rogue blood mages putting demons in people?
Yeah, rumors get spread and then people believe them, and just because people believe it, doesn't make it actually true. For all we know, those three starkhaven mages were blood mages. Given how prevalent the amount of blood magic was thanks to orsino, that isn't that unlikely.
Orsino would not have had any effect on the Starkhaven mages that were executed or made Tranquil.
Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:20 .
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Hang on. I am trying to hunt it down....Wait, in this picture, did the guy let the mages go free, or did he return Grace's group to the circle?
I'm not sure. I guess letting the mages go free? I'm not sure. I'm on my final charater for Orgins until I take a break from the game for a while. I will return playing DA2 for the time, and then I will find out, not soon thought.
JulianWellpit wrote...
Meredith was a fanatical tyrant and Orsino was a cowardly punk.I don't understant why people try to make one or the other seem better than the other one.
They are the reason why Kirkwalls mage-templar situation was that bad.They both were poor leaders that couldn't fight against their own instincts so that they would respect the laws,they both permited the existance of insane individuals and abuses of power ( either templars abusing their authority or mages abusing their magic powers) and both had a huge ego, thing proved by their unwilingness to work together and by the fact that they always blamed the other one for the situation Kirkwall was facing, without ever considering that they might be wrong.
Look at Irving and Gregoir. That's how a Knight Commander - First Enchanter relationship should be.
Meredith and Orsino were just a pair of pricks.
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
I think orsino being lax on the mages, with himself being leniant on blood magic, allowed for the situation in kirkwall to deteriorate the way it did. He at least owns 40% of the blame, meredith owning 45%, 5% on the chantry, and 10% on the qunari invasion.
eluvianix wrote...
Thrask says the mages were executed only if the mages were returned to the Circle. I bet they were made tranquil ONLY if you let these mages go free instead.
I really hate having to be an ass, especially to my fellow mages.
Lord Raijin wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
I think orsino being lax on the mages, with himself being leniant on blood magic, allowed for the situation in kirkwall to deteriorate the way it did. He at least owns 40% of the blame, meredith owning 45%, 5% on the chantry, and 10% on the qunari invasion.
How is Orsino to blame? Meredith was driving Kirkwall into total destruction with her deep hatred for mages and Elthina stood there and watch as her Knight-Commander was turning the city into a battleground.
You're joking, right? Please explain to me how in the world he was performing guerrilla warfare? He was an obstruction, yes. But he was certainly not attacking Templars.The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
I think orsino being lax on the mages, with himself being leniant on blood magic, allowed for the situation in kirkwall to deteriorate the way it did. He at least owns 40% of the blame, meredith owning 45%, 5% on the chantry, and 10% on the qunari invasion.
How is Orsino to blame? Meredith was driving Kirkwall into total destruction with her deep hatred for mages and Elthina stood there and watch as her Knight-Commander was turning the city into a battleground.
It was his choice to decide waging gurella warfare against the templars was better then trying to find a peaceful solution or turning to a higher authority in the chain of command to fix this. He took matters into his own hands, and decided vigilantism was the best course of action.
The mans an ass, and a willing accomplish to serial murdering, and deserves his shared blame for what happened to the circle.
Modifié par eluvianix, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:27 .
Then there is nothing to discuss. The boy was a blood mage. By law he should have been executed right then and there, but the Templars showed him mercy.eluvianix wrote...
He performed blood magic, yes, but only in that one instance. He was scared when Decimus began using blood magic in Act 1, and so ran out to Ser Thrask to surrender.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Was he or was he not a blood mage?eluvianix wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
And Alain was a confirmed blood mage in act; and he appears in the Circle during the Annulment if Hawke sides with the mages.
So, yes, Meredith allowed a confirmed blood mage to return to the Circle when she was at her most "demented". Hadly befitting of the "merciless tyrant" image.
The only act of blood magic by Alain was to unbind the Champion's friend/lover/sibling in the Act III quest. He surrendered to the Templars in Act of Mercy because he was scared of the blood magic that Decimus was performing.
Lord Raijin wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Meredith was using her dead abomination sister to justify her abusive methods against the mages of the Circle. She would even execute them for minor offenses... like escaping the circle and going to the hanged man to bang a hooker for the first time. It is the reason why the city became infested with blood mages. The fact that mages are no longer going to putup with their oppressors crap, and that Anders decided to take the first step in the freedom of mages by blowing up the Chantry.
Isn't that what you do during war? To go after the enemies generals?
Ok, to be fair, watching your sister kill 70 plus people is certainly a very sobering reality, and it would screw up just about anybody. Also, she did nothing to Emile de Launcet, if he was returned to the Circle either.
Doesn't mean that it's right to take out your frustration on innocent people just because you watch your sister kill 70 people. Meredith said that she would've had Emile de Launcet executed if it wasn't for his parented that pleded with her. It was his parents that convinced her not to execute him.
Modifié par JulianWellpit, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:35 .
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
It was his choice to decide waging gurella warfare against the templars was better then trying to find a peaceful solution or turning to a higher authority in the chain of command to fix this. He took matters into his own hands, and decided vigilantism was the best course of action.
The mans an ass, and a willing accomplish to serial murdering, and deserves his shared blame for what happened to the circle.
I'm not going to take your post seriously, since you deliberately removed the parts where he said Meredith was also to blame, and even to a greater extent.Lord Raijin wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
It was his choice to decide waging gurella warfare against the templars was better then trying to find a peaceful solution or turning to a higher authority in the chain of command to fix this. He took matters into his own hands, and decided vigilantism was the best course of action.
The mans an ass, and a willing accomplish to serial murdering, and deserves his shared blame for what happened to the circle.
LOL you're joking right? So Meredith holds no responsiblity for what happen in Kirkwall? That Orsino was just acting like the typical ass? Are you that daft? I don't know if I should take your post seriously, or better act a failing attempt of trolling.
What Orsino did was not giving in to what Meredith wanted. Not everything can go Meredith way.
Raijin, relax. No need to call The Flying Grey Warden a troll. Orsino was indeed an ass, but not a stupid ass. He certainly didn't participate in any guerrilla warfare.Lord Raijin wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
It was his choice to decide waging gurella warfare against the templars was better then trying to find a peaceful solution or turning to a higher authority in the chain of command to fix this. He took matters into his own hands, and decided vigilantism was the best course of action.
The mans an ass, and a willing accomplish to serial murdering, and deserves his shared blame for what happened to the circle.
LOL you're joking right? So Meredith holds no responsiblity for what happen in Kirkwall? That Orsino was just acting like the typical ass? Are you that daft? I don't know if I should take your post seriously, or better act a failing attempt of trolling.
What Orsino did was not giving in to what Meredith wanted. Not everything can go Meredith way.
Actually, he kept the part that said Orsino "shared blame".Br3ad wrote...
I'm not going to take your post seriously, since you deliberately removed the parts where he said Meredith was also to blame, and even to a greater extent.Lord Raijin wrote...
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
It was his choice to decide waging gurella warfare against the templars was better then trying to find a peaceful solution or turning to a higher authority in the chain of command to fix this. He took matters into his own hands, and decided vigilantism was the best course of action.
The mans an ass, and a willing accomplish to serial murdering, and deserves his shared blame for what happened to the circle.
LOL you're joking right? So Meredith holds no responsiblity for what happen in Kirkwall? That Orsino was just acting like the typical ass? Are you that daft? I don't know if I should take your post seriously, or better act a failing attempt of trolling.
What Orsino did was not giving in to what Meredith wanted. Not everything can go Meredith way.
Modifié par eluvianix, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:40 .
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