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[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

ollec92 wrote...
The templars treatment of the mages is what creates the very thing that the templars are trying to fight.

Not entirely, there is a great number of mages who needed no templar incentive in order to abuse their powers; for instance, Connor whose trigger was his father's sickness or Tahrone who simply believed that mages are superior and must rule.
That doesn't mean the Templars don't share a parcel of the blame but it is naive to believe that in a world without Templars, mages would leave peacefully with normal people. In a world without Templars, Tevinter was born.
The Circle is a good solution. It just requires a greater deal of accountability amongst the Templars.

oh gosh good solution what provides so many troubles and incompetence reach full scale circle doesn't stop mages from rampages very well as we seen many times so it is bad solution not only for mages but also non-mages , mages because of comfort and happiness but also non-mages when it comes about safety circles do bad job.

[Master Warder Z_]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Raijin. Do you realize that most of thedas lives in a state of feudalism, and not a modern liberal(in the non-united states way) society where individual rights and freedoms were valued over the good of the state? Where pretty much the guy with the bigger army and better arms was the one in charge of that country, because he could go in and depose the ruling elite and declare himself king, and that person would be king from that point on.

I think there's too many people not trying to get into the mindset of what it was like in thedas, with it's current level of technology and cultural progress, even though I don't like that word it fits here, and instead are trying to approach this as if thedas is a modern society with modern technology and our own societal and cultural movements.

But why can't social progress happen now?

Because life doesn't work like that.

Thousands of Ideologies, Belief Systems and Religions made mankind into what it is today in reality. Along with Countless wars and techonogical improvements, Social structuring and cultural beliefs aside Thedas is still basically near the infancy of Human social values when compared to the Modern world of today.

You cannot just magically force change, and thats why i agree that it is improper to apply our own values to the world of dragon age because its basically an alien concept to them. 

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Because you're calling for equality for mages, but the eqaulity you're demanding for them is more then what even an average person of thedas is allowed. I feel it bears understanding what it's like to be in thedas to understand how radical the notion of equality for equalities sake really is in thedas.

The equality we are calling for is certainly not more than what other Thedosians experience. In fact, what we want is the same level. The freedom to live a normal life, to own a house, to marry the one you love, etc.

[lil yonce]

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Because you're calling for equality for mages, but the eqaulity you're demanding for them is more then what even an average person of thedas is allowed. I feel it bears understanding what it's like to be in thedas to understand how radical the notion of equality for equalities sake really is in thedas.

The equality we are calling for is certainly not more than what other Thedosians experience. In fact, what we want is the same level. The freedom to live a normal life, to own a house, to marry the one you love, etc.

And shoot lightning at fools?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:46 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Because you're calling for equality for mages, but the eqaulity you're demanding for them is more then what even an average person of thedas is allowed. I feel it bears understanding what it's like to be in thedas to understand how radical the notion of equality for equalities sake really is in thedas.

The equality we are calling for is certainly not more than what other Thedosians experience. In fact, what we want is the same level. The freedom to live a normal life, to own a house, to marry the one you love, etc.

yeah equality for abomnations they have right to live as well they just want bring destruction to thedas!

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:48 .

[Hellion Rex]

Youth4Ever wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Because you're calling for equality for mages, but the eqaulity you're demanding for them is more then what even an average person of thedas is allowed. I feel it bears understanding what it's like to be in thedas to understand how radical the notion of equality for equalities sake really is in thedas.

The equality we are calling for is certainly not more than what other Thedosians experience. In fact, what we want is the same level. The freedom to live a normal life, to own a house, to marry the one you love, etc.

And shoot lightning at fools?

 
We would of course be beholden to the same laws as everyone else too. If we accidentally set someone on fire:whistle:, then we would have to submit to Templar justice.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

It was a metaphor. And why should not a mage not be able to adapt to the class system? Or to rise through the ranks over the course of multiple generations? Or be subjected to arranged marriages, just like others.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Take a look at this... When you treat people right... it will reward you for the future to come.

And just what the **** is that supposed to prove, hm? It's a nice story but here's another one for you. A refugee is granted asylum in a certain country on account of him claiming to be gay and his homeland killing people over it.
He is given an house and everything. One day, he asks his 15 years old female neighbor to check his computer for a problem; she said yes. I'm sure you can guess what happened next. Oh, and it turns out he had HIV and didn't tell anyone when asking for asylum.
So, this "gay" refugee rapes, infects and impregnates a 15 year old girl. I'm guessing she; as well as the country that granted him asylum; just didn't treat him "right" enough.

So, kindly wipe out this whole notion that if we just treat each other right, we will all sing kumbaya into lalaland before someone takes advantage of you.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:55 .

[Master Warder Z_]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Ah Fuedalism!

Got to love it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:54 .

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

It was a metaphor. And why should not a mage not be able to adapt to the class system? Or to rise through the ranks over the course of multiple generations? Or be subjected to arranged marriages, just like others.

The Risk presented to the rest of society because  of unchained mages comes to mind.

[Master Warder Z_]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

It was a metaphor. And why should not a mage not be able to adapt to the class system? Or to rise through the ranks over the course of multiple generations? Or be subjected to arranged marriages, just like others.

Well, in world it is likely because their magic makes them much more equiped to rise the ranks and murder their political rivals with the wave of their hand and a well placed spell. It's more to protect their own positions for new challengers and threats that mages are usually required by law to be cut off from inheriting land or title, more then any sort of religious issues.

Other then that nothing really, but whenever I see people demanding mages get equality and freedom, I feel it bears breaking down that the freedom they want for mages isn't as good as they think, nor is it much better then living in a circle.

[Senya]

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Not to mention that Hawke had noble blood and had talent few can dream of. Not every peasant can grow up to fight the Arishok.

[Br3admax]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

1. Leandra left to an entirely different country for a reason.
2. The Feudal system is more comparable, and this had different classes. 

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I will admit, there is room for a person to rise up into nobility in the dragon age universe. But this has almost 100% of the time been due to unusual circumstances, such as a war in which a person fought against an enemy in battle when normally they'd be a farmer, or a person getting a large sum of money or revenue suddenly and unexpectedly.

Not really what I would call free and open for the pursuit of a job.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Eee just if you are smart you can be merchant see that girl from redcliffe who was just pesant and become rich blacksmith or girl in taver who become rich as well. Girl from orlais become merchant. In ferelden you are free change your job or lifestyle and i don't see that nation force something on you perhaps outside taxes of course it still may depend how skillful you are in something but if you want become merchant nothing stops you even if you will s**** merchant you can still be him... 

Br3ad wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage,
Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the
average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in
the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the
servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades,
sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to
successfully go into a different profession higher then your own
station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family
to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved
if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can
sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth.
The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the
ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own
will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie
only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you
mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop
out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't
get their parents approval still was married.

1. Leandra left to an entirely different country for a reason.
2. The Feudal system is more comparable, and this had different classes. 

Maybe because she lived with apostate and they tried to be quiet?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 09 décembre 2013 - 12:07 .

[Master Warder Z_]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Not to mention that Hawke had noble blood and had talent few can dream of. Not every peasant can grow up to fight the Arishok.

Quite True.

Hawke Bested one of the easily mostly capable warriors in Thedas in either a skirmish or single combat either varient is one worthy of lore.  That just force widens the divide in my eyes; You can have all the dreams and wishes you wish but when it comes down to it.

Your abilities MUST match your ambition or they will merely remain a dream.

[Br3admax]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Eee just if you are smart you can be merchant see that girl from redcliffe who was just pesant and become rich blacksmith or girl in taver who become rich as well. Girl from orlais become merchant. In ferelden you are free change your job or lifestyle and i don't see that nation force something on you perhaps outside taxes of course it still may depend how skillful you are in something but if you want become merchant nothing stops you even if you will s**** merchant you can still be him... 

All these are things the PC paid for, they couldn't get them on their own. 

[Master Warder Z_]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Eee just if you are smart you can be merchant see that girl from redcliffe who was just pesant and become rich blacksmith or girl in taver who become rich as well. Girl from orlais become merchant. In ferelden you are free change your job or lifestyle and i don't see that nation force something on you perhaps outside taxes of course it still may depend how skillful you are in something but if you want become merchant nothing stops you even if you will s**** merchant you can still be him... 

True in that one nation social caste aside doesn't determine the labors you undertake but it doesn't change the fact it isn't merely entirely the result of personal ambition in two of those situations you described you had outside intererference effecting the outcome.

In both situations can you have entirely diffrent outcomes with a less generous or kind Warden.

My point is once more, Your abilities must match the ambition.

If you set out to become the greatest warrior in Thedas but can only afford ancient bronze weaponry and rugged leather armor that dream is something that will likely never come to pass despite how much hope and abmition are implanted into the ideal because there isn't the resources behind it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Br3ad wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Marriage, Owning property, and Choice of profession are not freedoms that the average Thedosians have though, not in truth. The peasants are stuck in the peasant class, the merchants in the merchant class, servants in the servant class, so on and so forth. You can rise up but it takes decades, sometimes even multiple generations in order for your family to successfully go into a different profession higher then your own station. Marriage is usually arranged, and needs approval of the family to be legitimate, and from what I have seen can be annulled or dissolved if a lord decides he wants the person your with, additionally you can sell your partner in a deal it seems, as is what happened to flemeth. The property you "own" is more like property you are being "lent" by the ruling king, who actually owns your land, and can decide on his own will if you are allowed to live there or not.

Lie only status that you need reach is noble you are not forced i think you mistake thedas with qunari in ferelden that isn't in case you can pop out from nowhere and become merchant... as far i remember leandra don't get their parents approval still was married.

So how do you magically come by this caste change if not by decades or even generations of hard done labors and toils? Or do you mistake the Success of Hawke as the Norm in Thedas? Wealth, Station, And even Nobility can be won by any one it is true but that doesn't make the means of aquiring any of those things likely for the normal person.

Much like the modern world you will have those that own the factories and those that merely work within them.

Eee just if you are smart you can be merchant see that girl from redcliffe who was just pesant and become rich blacksmith or girl in taver who become rich as well. Girl from orlais become merchant. In ferelden you are free change your job or lifestyle and i don't see that nation force something on you perhaps outside taxes of course it still may depend how skillful you are in something but if you want become merchant nothing stops you even if you will s**** merchant you can still be him... 

All these are things the PC paid for, they couldn't get them on their own. 

oh my god missing point +600
So what this is life of course that your skills have impact whether you succeed but even if not no one will stop you when you want become merchant or blacksmith even if you will bad merchant you have still this possibility if you want be independent hunter you can still be him even if you are not bonded by society or any law but success depends on your skills that same in ferelden...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 09 décembre 2013 - 12:14 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh my god missing point +600
So what this is life of course that your skills have impact whether you succeed but even if not no one will stop you when you want become merchant or blacksmith even if you will bad merchant you have still this possibility if you want be independent hunter you can still be him even if you are not bonded by society or any law but success depends on your skills that same in ferelden...

The problem, though, is getting the money in the first place. Which is more of a stumbling block than you give it credit for.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh my god missing point +600
So what this is life of course that your skills have impact whether you succeed but even if not no one will stop you when you want become merchant or blacksmith even if you will bad merchant you have still this possibility if you want be independent hunter you can still be him even if you are not bonded by society or any law but success depends on your skills that same in ferelden...

The problem, though, is getting the money in the first place. Which is more of a stumbling block than you give it credit for.

Are money problem well yes are wild animales for hunter are problem as well even now money have that same impact if you stand on your own well if not you will end working for someone and will do that your choice and if not but you don't have courage thats your choice as well if you want stand on your own you need take a risk but what what you will choose is up to you.

[Lord Raijin]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Raijin. Do you realize that most of thedas lives in a state of feudalism, and not a modern liberal(in the non-united states way) society where individual rights and freedoms were valued over the good of the state? Where pretty much the guy with the bigger army and better arms was the one in charge of that country, because he could go in and depose the ruling elite and declare himself king, and that person would be king from that point on.

I think there's too many people not trying to get into the mindset of what it was like in thedas, with it's current level of technology and cultural progress, even though I don't like that word it fits here, and instead are trying to approach this as if thedas is a modern society with modern technology and our own societal and cultural movements.

Have you read Asunder yet? Modern liberal society is in the making.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 09 décembre 2013 - 12:21 .