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[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

He was indeed more strict and harsh back then,but he never breaked the rules.

I'd say backhanding a pregnant woman with a gauntlet just for speaking is breaking the rules of how the Circle exists to defend mages from people.

Not that I hate Gregoir, mind you. I actually think he's the best model we have, to date, of what a Templar should be.

But I do hate the comics he appeared in, even if I must accept it as canon.

Let us be honest here, he did not backhand her "just for talking".

You make it sound as if he had a justifiable reason for backhanding her with enough force to knock her down.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Thedas is a brutal world. I don't care about the justification behind the action. I care about the truth. And saying stuff like "just for talking", is being dishonest about the situation, and it paints an untrue picture of the situation.

[TEWR]

Well one, I hadn't seen the image in a long time. Two, my issues stem more from it being out of character for the man and a violation of what the Circle stands for, something Gregoir in DAO believes in. Three, being pregnant isn't a crime (even for a Mage), so him treating it like it is one is just a load of douchery.

[Hellion Rex]

[quote]EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Thedas is a brutal world. I don't care about the justification behind the action. I care about the truth. And saying stuff like "just for talking", is being dishonest about the situation, and it paints an untrue picture of the situation.[/quote

Then for what "truth" did he hit her?

[TEWR]

Then for what "truth" did he hit her?

Image is on the bottom of the previous page. The reason he hit her was because she wouldn't tell him who the father of her child was.

So it certainly wasn't like a life-or-death matter for the Circle, Chantry, Thedas, etc.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 décembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Then for what "truth" did he hit her?

Image is on the bottom of the previous page. The reason he hit her was because she wouldn't tell him who the father of her child was.

So it certainly wasn't like a life-or-death matter for the Circle, Chantry, Thedas, etc.

Ah, gotcha.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And she didn't execute the ringleader. She just executed three of the
mages at random, despite Grace being the one that led her people to
surrender.

Grace isn't the ringleader. Decimus is.
Executing the person who lead the amges into surrender is a move that will send the right message to you?

If you always execute the current leader, why would any leader advocate surrender? If you always execute an underling, why would the underlings follow?
Randomness strangely gives everyone an equal chance to survive, and thus more incentive to surrender.

She may have had grounds for the search (though considering there's nothing left to look for, rebellion's quelled and the threats have been disposed of, I don't see much point in it) but she first needs to admit that she's dropped the ball several times.

There's nothing left to look for? Sez who?
Do you know how many mages there were in the rebellion?
Do you know if there were more than one group of blood mages?


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You are too lenient on Orsino and the mages. There were clearly a metric asston of blood mages in the Circle and Orsino definatley knew blood magic. Editic memory my ass.
And one can debate for hours if Orsino is only acting in his own self-interest. Unlikely, given the direction the story was originaly going, but still.

[TEWR]

Grace isn't the ringleader. Decimus is.
Executing the person who lead the amges into surrender is a move that will send the right message to you?

If you always execute the current leader, why would any leader advocate surrender? If you always execute an underling, why would the underlings follow?
Randomness strangely gives everyone an equal chance to survive, and thus more incentive to surrender.

Grace was the ringleader alongside Decimus. As they were lovers and they led the group together, with Decimus dead she became that person.

Executing the person who lead the amges into surrender is a move that will send the right message to you?

I never said I supported it. I just said she became the ringleader and Meredith didn't kill her, so the idea of "despots killing ringleaders being a good thing" is ultimately moot because Meredith didn't do that.

I'm not going to say what would've been best for the Grace situation other then the blatantly obvious: Don't have a ****ed up Circle and let them come there in peace, live in peace, learn in peace, and just exist in a properly run Circle. Would killing/Tranquilizing her have been best? Perhaps, but perhaps someone else would've taken up the mantle anyway and we'd be back to square one.

So perhaps just having Grace's group under heavy watch would've been best.

But I will say that Meredith's actions didn't help reduce the amount of chaos there. It added to it. Killing mages that surrendered peacefully at random is just pointlessly cruel and fosters resentment and hatred. When you are hated, people will rise up against you. That's why if you must be feared rather then loved, it must be without hatred.

Orsino definatley knew blood magic

I've never denied he was an academic blood mage. But that's all I believe until the endgame forced him to become a practicing blood mage. Simply being an academic blood mage is not a bad thing. Case in point, Adralla the ex-Tevinter Magister.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 décembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

There is no such thing as an "academic blood mage". You either are or you aren't a blood mage.

[TEWR]

Adralla was an academic blood mage (to our current knowledge). The codex on the Litany of Adralla is quite clear on that point.

I mean, it's quite simply just a person who reads stuff on blood magic but never acts on it, never performs it. Not really a hard thing to grasp. There are books on the subject, after all.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 décembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Then you aren't a blood mage. You are an academic mage, who happens to know things about blood magic.

[Vulpe]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

He was indeed more strict and harsh back then,but he never breaked the rules.

I'd say backhanding a pregnant woman with a gauntlet just for speaking is breaking the rules of how the Circle exists to defend mages from people.

Not that I hate Gregoir, mind you. I actually think he's the best model we have, to date, of what a Templar should be.

But I do hate the comics he appeared in, even if I must accept it as canon.

I said he was harsh. That gesture was unnecessary, but I doubt he exagerated to a point where the baby would be in danger.

It was something like Hulk - that guy is a genius. He mentally calculates the trajectory of his projectiles and the strength he must use in a certain situation so that he wouldn't destroy everything.Let's not forget that when he jumps across huge distances he always lands on his intended mark

He basically calculates the angles and strictly necessary strenght to thrown, let's say, a car and the necesarry strength he must put in a punch  so that he wouldn't do more damage than needed/ intended, just like Gregoir. 

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Then you aren't a blood mage. You are an academic mage, who happens to know things about blood magic.

Academic blood mage just denotes how you learned it. It doesn't mean you are not a blood mage. It just means you learned it out a book, similar to Jowan.

[TEWR]

JulianWellpit wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

He was indeed more strict and harsh back then,but he never breaked the rules.

I'd say backhanding a pregnant woman with a gauntlet just for speaking is breaking the rules of how the Circle exists to defend mages from people.

Not that I hate Gregoir, mind you. I actually think he's the best model we have, to date, of what a Templar should be.

But I do hate the comics he appeared in, even if I must accept it as canon.

I said he was harsh. That gesture was unnecessary, but I doubt he exagerated to a point where the baby would be in danger.

It was something like Hulk - that guy is a genius. He mentally calculates the trajectory of his projectiles and the strength he must use in a certain situation so that he wouldn't destroy everything.Let's not forget that when he jumps across huge distances he always lands on his intended mark

He basically calculates the angles and strictly necessary strenght to thrown, let's say, a car and the necesarry strength he must put in a punch  so that he wouldn't do more damage than needed/ intended, just like Gregoir. 

All I could think of after "something like Hulk" was Greagoir going "Greagoir SMASH!"

[EmperorSahlertz]

"Blood mage" is a title given to a person who actively practices and uses blood magic. An "Academic Blood Mage" therefore can't exist.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"Blood mage" is a title given to a person who actively practices and uses blood magic. An "Academic Blood Mage" therefore can't exist.

Read my last post. At least in my mind, it isn't a matter if one is blood mage or not. The phrase academic just denotes how one learned to use blood magic.

[EmperorSahlertz]

What would be the point of denoting how one learned blood magic? They wouldn't be any less of a blood mage.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"Blood mage" is a title given to a person who actively practices and uses blood magic. An "Academic Blood Mage" therefore can't exist.

Would you prefer Blood Mage Academic?

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well one, I hadn't seen the image in a long time. Two, my issues stem more from it being out of character for the man and a violation of what the Circle stands for, something Gregoir in DAO believes in. Three, being pregnant isn't a crime (even for a Mage), so him treating it like it is one is just a load of douchery.

Wouldn't it be three if the father was a templar?

Edit: Wait he says two of their kind...


How is he so sure the father's a mage? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 décembre 2013 - 08:33 .

[HiroVoid]

I always thought magic was more like a sport than a math class. You can read about it all you want, but it won't help until you actually practice it.

[Vulpe]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

He was indeed more strict and harsh back then,but he never breaked the rules.

I'd say backhanding a pregnant woman with a gauntlet just for speaking is breaking the rules of how the Circle exists to defend mages from people.

Not that I hate Gregoir, mind you. I actually think he's the best model we have, to date, of what a Templar should be.

But I do hate the comics he appeared in, even if I must accept it as canon.

I said he was harsh. That gesture was unnecessary, but I doubt he exagerated to a point where the baby would be in danger.

It was something like Hulk - that guy is a genius. He mentally calculates the trajectory of his projectiles and the strength he must use in a certain situation so that he wouldn't destroy everything.Let's not forget that when he jumps across huge distances he always lands on his intended mark

He basically calculates the angles and strictly necessary strenght to thrown, let's say, a car and the necesarry strength he must put in a punch  so that he wouldn't do more damage than needed/ intended, just like Gregoir. 

All I could think of after "something like Hulk" was Greagoir going "Greagoir SMASH!"

All that lyrium usage will come back and bite him, so I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a pensioner Gregoir running after chickens and cats in his pantyhose through Denerim and screaming "GREGOIR SMASH ! ".

I already can see it :

"Doggy friend ?"

"Bark"
"Haha! Gregoir friend doggy." 

[HiroVoid]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well one, I hadn't seen the image in a long time. Two, my issues stem more from it being out of character for the man and a violation of what the Circle stands for, something Gregoir in DAO believes in. Three, being pregnant isn't a crime (even for a Mage), so him treating it like it is one is just a load of douchery.

It's almost as if the writer for the comics knew about as much about the universe as the writer for Mass Effect: Deception.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"Blood mage" is a title given to a person who actively practices and uses blood magic. An "Academic Blood Mage" therefore can't exist.

Would you prefer Blood Mage Academic?

I don't see why the two has to be connected at all.

[EmperorSahlertz]

HiroVoid wrote...

I always thought magic was more like a sport than a math class. You can read about it all you want, but it won't help until you actually practice it.

Considering there is such a thing as a "magic muscle" (mana), then yes there certainly is practical part of magic that cannot be circumvented. But just like sports, reading about magic can offer additional insights.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ryzaki wrote...

How is he so sure the father's a mage? 

He assumes, because Templars aren't supposed to be doing that kind of thing.