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[Vulpe]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

I really like the ideea of Gregoir being the father. I would also like him to be part of the possible siege on Andoral's Reach and fight against Rhys wthout either of them knowing who the other one is and ultimately one of them killing the other.

It would be so tragic. Just like a greek tragedy.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[MisterJB]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

I suspect Gregoir would retire before allowing anyone to blackmail him.

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

I really like the ideea of Gregoir being the father. I would also like him to be part of the possible siege on Andoral's Reach and fight against Rhys wthout either of them knowing who the other one is and ultimately one of them killing the other.

It would be so tragic. Just like a greek tragedy.

Greagoir as the father of Wynne's baby seems to be the most popular fanfic choice, and I agree that it makes for a more powerful narrative.  But somehow I don't think Greagoir will be seen much in Inquisition, whether as Rhys's revealed father or no.  He died in some epilogues in Origins, but even if he didn't, Inquisition will take taking place a good ten-fourteen years after the beginning of that game; he was already old during that storyline, and of course there is the reality of his lyrium addiction.  If Bioware has any intention of sticking with its established lore, and not of making Greagoir a special snowflake, then that will have to be an issue.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Greagoir with lyrium based dementia.

Now there's a depressing thought.

[Lord Raijin]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

Leave Greagoir alone. He and Wynne has needs too.

[In Exile]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

So in other words greagoir broke his vows as a templar? This could give a lot of leverage to be used against him by a more cut throat type of guy.

So very interesting.

I don't think templars have to take vows of chastity, though it seems they need special dispensation to get married. 

[Senya]

In Exile wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

So in other words greagoir broke his vows as a templar? This could give a lot of leverage to be used against him by a more cut throat type of guy.

So very interesting.

I don't think templars have to take vows of chastity, though it seems they need special dispensation to get married. 

That and fraternizing with your fellow Templars and Mages would be looked down upon or so I'd imagine.

[dragonflight288]

It's frowned upon according to the templar in Redemption, in fact he actually says that templars take vows not to.

Obviously not enforced but that's out there.

[DPSSOC]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox, "So let me get this straight, you believe a Knight Commander, a seasoned veteran of the Templar Order who's trained most of his life to kill people who can shoot fire from their hands, broke his vows, and your plan is to blackmail this person?  Good luck."

[Cainhurst Crow]

DPSSOC wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox, "So let me get this straight, you believe a Knight Commander, a seasoned veteran of the Templar Order who's trained most of his life to kill people who can shoot fire from their hands, broke his vows, and your plan is to blackmail this person?  Good luck."

"I killed a dragon with my own two hands, and countless demons. I think I'll manage against an old man."

[Vulpe]

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Or it's greagoir, and he's in for quite the blackmailing if I ever find out in character. XD

"So, how much lyrium did you say was in the stockrooms again?"

I really like the ideea of Gregoir being the father. I would also like him to be part of the possible siege on Andoral's Reach and fight against Rhys wthout either of them knowing who the other one is and ultimately one of them killing the other.

It would be so tragic. Just like a greek tragedy.

Greagoir as the father of Wynne's baby seems to be the most popular fanfic choice, and I agree that it makes for a more powerful narrative.  But somehow I don't think Greagoir will be seen much in Inquisition, whether as Rhys's revealed father or no.  He died in some epilogues in Origins, but even if he didn't, Inquisition will take taking place a good ten-fourteen years after the beginning of that game; he was already old during that storyline, and of course there is the reality of his lyrium addiction.  If Bioware has any intention of sticking with its established lore, and not of making Greagoir a special snowflake, then that will have to be an issue.

We covered the insanity part a few pages ago : "GREGOIR SMASH ! " "GREGOIR AND DOGGY FRIENDS."

For the death part - it would be funny if they made the same thing they did with Cullen. "I'm not dead damit ! Recruits and their fishwives stories..."

When it comes to lyrium caused insanity - isn't that different from a templar to another ? We have that templar at the docks that's pretty young and he's....how to put it... retarded.There could be templars that can go with a healthy mind up to 70 years old just as there can be templars who go loco at 30 something or even less.At least that's how I see things.

Now when it comes to the age - Irving is the only member in the Circle that remembers the times before Gregoir arrived. I think it's safe to assume that he's the oldest. I'd say that he was around 60 in Origins, so that would make him 70 in DA:I ( that if he didn't die of old age between Asunder and DA:I ).

Now, the next two oldest characters would be Wynne and Gregoir. I think that both were around their 50's. That would make them around 60 in DA:I. Wynne seemed pretty capable, so if Gregoir is still alive and sane I think he would be still able to pack a punch. He  would be the grizzled old warrior that isn't capable to fight as he used to,but still he can fight better that many other young guys.

So I don't see it as impossible. Experience can compensate to a certain degree the lacks of the body and lyrium caused insanity seems to kick in on different times, depending on the person.

So don't take my father kills son/son kills father moment and the tragic consequences in the aftermath...or even better - father betrayes his fellow templars,fights them and ultimately dies to give his son time to escape from certain doom. I think it would be a great ending for a man that lived all his life by the rules. He would basically fight against his own nature so that he could save him and die at the hands of the men that were under his command and who he considered his brothers in arms.

 Also,it would be very interesting to see Rhys's development and bitterness now that both his parents died to protect him.

[thetinyevil]

I don't think Gregior would help Rhys even if he was his son. He would kill him and feel nothing but annoyance at having to clean more blood from his blade. That is just my impression of him anyway.

[Lotion Soronarr]

It's impossible to tell how Greagoir would react or what he would do....but he is anything but heartless.
IMHO, he'd probably try to talk Rhys down or capture him.

[The Elder King]

thetinyevil wrote...

I don't think Gregior would help Rhys even if he was his son. He would kill him and feel nothing but annoyance at having to clean more blood from his blade. That is just my impression of him anyway.

I disagree completely. He's not a person that enjoys killing mages. Though my opinion of him seems to be vastly different from yours.

[The Elder King]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It's impossible to tell how Greagoir would react or what he would do....but he is anything but heartless.
IMHO, he'd probably try to talk Rhys down or capture him.

Agreed. 

[Lord Raijin]

hhh89 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It's impossible to tell how Greagoir would react or what he would do....but he is anything but heartless.
IMHO, he'd probably try to talk Rhys down or capture him.

Agreed. 

I too agreed and this is coming from someone who is very pro-mage

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 10 décembre 2013 - 02:05 .

[Lord Raijin]

double post

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 10 décembre 2013 - 02:05 .

[dragonflight288]

Removing the comics entirely, I never got the impression that Gregoire outright hated mages or was paranoid of what they were up to the way Meredith and Lambert was. He had a relatively good working relationship with Irving (even though they butted heads a lot) and was willing to take Irving's word over Cullen's when it came to the threat of blood mages and abominations after Uldred is killed, something I don't think Meredith or Lambert would ever do...take the word of a mage over a templar, that is.

Gregoire is a very reasonable man, but also very devoted to his duties, so I think he would've treated Rhys very fairly.

There's also evidence that Gregoire held his templars accountable if he became aware they posed a threat to the mages. That one templar who is ensorcelled by a desire demon has a note that suggests that he made inappropriate comments in front of the mages (and I think it says female mages,) so Gregoire sends him away on dead-end jobs, and Cullen's codex in DA2 says that Gregoire felt Cullen needed to get away from the Circle where the mages tortured him and sent him to serve in another Circle before anything happened and Cullen got stationed in Kirkwall because of that.

[MisterJB]

Lambert was not paranoid. In fact, he ends up being right about everything by the end of the novel.
"There is a demon in the tower" There was.
"It is controlling Rhys to murder mages" It was.
"The mages will only use this cure as yet another excuse why they should rebel." They totally did.

It's not paranoia if you were right.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Lambert was not paranoid. In fact, he ends up being right about everything by the end of the novel.
"There is a demon in the tower" There was.
"It is controlling Rhys to murder mages" It was.
"The mages will only use this cure as yet another excuse why they should rebel." They totally did.

It's not paranoia if you were right.

Yup. He was right. But at least he's dead now.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Lambert was not paranoid. In fact, he ends up being right about everything by the end of the novel.
"There is a demon in the tower" There was.
"It is controlling Rhys to murder mages" It was.
"The mages will only use this cure as yet another excuse why they should rebel." They totally did.

It's not paranoia if you were right.

Yup. He was right. But at least he's dead now.

Yoru glee over the death of an unsung hero has been thoroughly noted .

And that's still not confirmed.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Yoru glee over the death of an unsung hero has been thoroughly noted .

And that's still not confirmed.

I sympathize with him and his back story, even though I am not a fan of the man. In Tevinter, he got they ****ty end of the stick, which is unfortunate.

Edit: Considering Cole chose to spare Pharamond, he might very well have done something to Lambert that was not fatal. Cole had extremely powerful blood magic on his side, so he could have spirited the Lord Seeker away, and no one would be the wiser.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:20 .

[The Elder King]

From what I know, without having reading the book, I woudn't consider Lambert an hero, as well as the tyrant/monster some people stated he is. Though I doubt I'd consider anyone that appeared in teb book as an 'hero'.
My opinions of the characters in the book aren't definitive, since I'm going to read the book before DAI's release. Though I doubt my opinion of Adrian would change.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:52 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

From what I know, without having reading the book, I woudn't consider Lambert an hero, as well as the tyrant/monster some people stated he is. Though I doubt I'd consider anyone that appeared in teb book as an 'hero'.
My opinions of the characters in the book aren't definitive, since I'm going to read the book before DAI's release. Though I doubt my opinion of Adrian would change.

I am a pro mage all the way, and I loathe Adrian. If I see her in DAI, I would put a bolt of lightning through her chest myself.
Edit: I don't think there are necessarily heroes in the book either. Just people trying to make the best of a ****ty situation.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:57 .