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[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

But I wonder why the body is missing...That's what I don't understand. Why would Cole take the body with him?

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

From what I know, without having reading the book, I woudn't consider Lambert an hero, as well as the tyrant/monster some people stated he is. Though I doubt I'd consider anyone that appeared in teb book as an 'hero'.
My opinions of the characters in the book aren't definitive, since I'm going to read the book before DAI's release. Though I doubt my opinion of Adrian would change.

I am a pro mage all the way, and I loathe Adrian. If I see her in DAI, I would put a bolt of lightning through her chest myself.

I woudn't necessarily kill her. I'd simply do anything in my power to reduce the influence she has in the mage rebellion.
If this would lead her to attack me, that I kill her.

Modifié par hhh89, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

From what I know, without having reading the book, I woudn't consider Lambert an hero, as well as the tyrant/monster some people stated he is. Though I doubt I'd consider anyone that appeared in teb book as an 'hero'.
My opinions of the characters in the book aren't definitive, since I'm going to read the book before DAI's release. Though I doubt my opinion of Adrian would change.

I am a pro mage all the way, and I loathe Adrian. If I see her in DAI, I would put a bolt of lightning through her chest myself.

I woudn't necessarily kill her. I'd simply do anything in my power to reduce the influence she has in the mage rebellion.

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

I'll just skate around that in favor of a less major plot point: while I haven't read the books myself, I am under the impression that she tried to use fire against some ignorant peasants who threatened her in a medieval-tech constructed, thatched-roof inn, despite having a Templar bodyguard who could (and did) intimidate them with less collateral damage. Now, I'll concede that there are some decent arguments for mage freedom, but if this is true (and I'll concede I wouldn't really know) then Adrian is one of the better arguments against it.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:19 .

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

I'll just skate around that in favor of a less major plot point: while I haven't read the books myself, I am under the impression that she tried to use fire against some ignorant peasants who threatened her in a medieval-tech constructed, thatched-roof inn, despite having a Templar bodyguard who could (and did) intimidate them with less collateral damage. Now, I'll concede that there are some decent arguments for mage freedom, but if this is true (and I'll concede I wouldn't really know) then Adrian is one of the better arguments against it.

Yeah, Adrian did some pretty unkind things in Asunder. Granted though, she was ****** drunk in the situation to which you were referring, and the townsfolk had threatened the group of mages and Evangeline first. The townsfolk had recently heard the news about the assassination attempt on the Divine and were pretty mad.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:23 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

I'll just skate around that in favor of a less major plot point: while I haven't read the books myself, I am under the impression that she tried to use fire against some ignorant peasants who threatened her in a medieval-tech constructed, thatched-roof inn, despite having a Templar bodyguard who could (and did) intimidate them with less collateral damage. Now, I'll concede that there are some decent arguments for mage freedom, but if this is true (and I'll concede I wouldn't really know) then Adrian is one of the better arguments against it.

Yeah, Adrian did some pretty unkind things in Asunder. Granted though, she was drunk in the situation to which you were referring, and the townsfolk had threatened the group of mages and Evangeline first.

I'm aware that she was threatened first, but she still threatened them with fire inside. And getting drunk doesn't make me view this any more leniently. Fire specialist mages should never be drunk. They'll unavoidably get buzzed, since water's probably not an option in a low-tech setting like this, but drunk?

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

But I wonder why the body is missing...That's what I don't understand. Why would Cole take the body with him?

It may be possible Cole possessed Lambert.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

I'll just skate around that in favor of a less major plot point: while I haven't read the books myself, I am under the impression that she tried to use fire against some ignorant peasants who threatened her in a medieval-tech constructed, thatched-roof inn, despite having a Templar bodyguard who could (and did) intimidate them with less collateral damage. Now, I'll concede that there are some decent arguments for mage freedom, but if this is true (and I'll concede I wouldn't really know) then Adrian is one of the better arguments against it.

Yeah, Adrian did some pretty unkind things in Asunder. Granted though, she was drunk in the situation to which you were referring, and the townsfolk had threatened the group of mages and Evangeline first.

I'm aware that she was threatened first, but she still threatened them with fire inside. And getting drunk doesn't make me view this any more leniently. Fire specialist mages should never be drunk. They'll unavoidably get buzzed, since water's probably not an option in a low-tech setting like this, but drunk?

She was trying to drink Wynne under the table, and failed miserably. I thought it was rather hilarious.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

But I wonder why the body is missing...That's what I don't understand. Why would Cole take the body with him?

It may be possible Cole possessed Lambert.

That could be interesting....A blood magic using spirit inside a Seeker...a contrast to Evangeline, maybe?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

She was trying to drink Wynne under the table, and failed miserably. I thought it was rather hilarious.

I'm not certain Wynne should be drinking either, since she is a mage after all. But at least she's more known for healing than fire.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

She was trying to drink Wynne under the table, and failed miserably. I thought it was rather hilarious.

I'm not certain Wynne should be drinking either, since she is a mage after all. But at least she's more known for healing than fire.

Well, Wynne is an "Archmage" who (1) has a lot more experience than Adrian will ever have and (2) a much more patient temperament. Adrian's an impatient firebrand that can't shut her mouth for 5 minutes.
Edit: Plus Wynne has a lot more control over her magic too, even though Adrian could very well have a lot more raw power.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:34 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wynne is also possessed and if I recall corerctly based on Anders' reaction to alcohol, cannot become drunk anymore anyway..

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Wynne is also possessed and if I recall corerctly based on Anders' reaction to alcohol, cannot become drunk anymore anyway..

I believe Rhys mentioned that Wynne was buzzed. And Ander's problem might be that Justice did not want him to become drunk. I don't think Faith would really care.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

Edit: Plus Wynne has a lot more control over her magic too, even though Adrian could very well have a lot more raw power.

The uncontrolled fire specialist might be more powerful than the disciplined healer? Oh, that's comforting.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Might be that. Either way, Wynne is no longer under threat of demonic possession. Adrian however is, and her getting drunk is a display of lacking discipline.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Edit: Plus Wynne has a lot more control over her magic too, even though Adrian could very well have a lot more raw power.

The uncontrolled fire specialist might be more powerful than the disciplined healer? Oh, that's comforting.

Just an observation based on the magic that we witnessed in the novel. Wynne is still a hell of a lot more dangerous, but in terms of raw power, Adrian could possibly be stronger.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:40 .

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Might be that. Either way, Wynne is no longer under threat of demonic possession. Adrian however is, and her getting drunk is a display of lacking discipline.

Oh, trust me, I am not defending her at all. She's an idiot who got a crap ton of people killed to advance her cause. In that regard, she and Anders would have been best friends. I honestly could see Adrian getting possessed by a pride demon in the near future, considering her character is filled with nothing but hubris.

[Hellion Rex]

I could totally see this being Adrian:

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

From what I know, 
I woudn't necessarily kill her. I'd simply do anything in my power to reduce the influence she has in the mage rebellion.

Do you know what she did, in the end? I am trying not to spoil you, but what she did seriously pissed me off.

SPOILER




The fact that she framed Rhys of Pharamond's murdered? 

Modifié par hhh89, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:52 .

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

Wouldn't even need to do that, He can merely recite the Litany again and dispell Cole.

The very reason that little mook even attempted the assasination at the moment was because Lambert was both unarmed and unarmored, In a straight fight? A seeker is probably one of the greatest threats you can face on a battle field, a mixture of templar talents and training with far greater resources and money behind the equipment and training.

.-. While the World of Thedas presumes the Lord Seeker Dead, I on the other hand have never really bought into that, His disaperence for a moment is a subject of confusion but merely labeling him dead? No, He could have just pulled a Revan, Hawke or Warden and wandered off to do something.

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

I could totally see this being Adrian:

I could totally see that being the end of Adrian as well.

I wouldn't get in the Templars way personally.

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

I could totally see this being Adrian:

I could totally see that being the end of Adrian as well.

I wouldn't get in the Templars way personally.

Further on to that point, Is there any evidence of that concept art even being said character?

Modifié par Master Warder Z , 10 décembre 2013 - 07:59 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

Wouldn't even need to do that, He can merely recite the Litany again and dispell Cole.

It just doesn't seem excessive enough to fit the punishment Cole deserves 

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Yeah, Adrian did some pretty unkind things in Asunder. Granted though, she was ****** drunk in the situation to which you were referring, and the townsfolk had threatened the group of mages and Evangeline first. The townsfolk had recently heard the news about the assassination attempt on the Divine and were pretty mad.

My problem with Adrian in that particular scene; I could write a list of what is wrong with her but let's focus only on that scene; is not that she defended herself from a mob but rather the manner in which she conducted herself.
The townsfolk was in the wrong when they tried to vent their frustrations on people who had done nothing wrong; yet, anyway; but, unlike Wynne and Rhys who attempted to appear amenable to dissuate them from a confrontation, Adrian just started provoking them as well.
I wouldn't blame any innocent mage that defended himself or herself from a mob but Adrian pulled a weapon first (her fire) and her attitude wasn't "Don't make me use this" but it was more akin to "I'm better than you, dirty peasants. Do you have a problem with that?"
Adrian is a magister in the making.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 décembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Or Lambert could in an unprecedented display of awesome and badassery have torn the head off of cole and **** down his throat while reading the day's papers. Then gone for doughnuts without informing his fellow Templars, who proceeded to declare him missing prematurely.

Simply put we don't know what happened. Even though we can presume he is dead relatively safely.

Wouldn't even need to do that, He can merely recite the Litany again and dispell Cole.

It just doesn't seem excessive enough to fit the punishment Cole deserves 

Which is why if the rumors are true when Cole presents himself to join the Party, he will get dunked into the nearest cupbard in the vicinty and said furniture will then be shoved into the nearest lake which will then be frozen over and have a few rotting Ogre corpses placed upon it.

That i think is excessive enough.