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[Master Warder Z_]

Silfren wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


And extremism? Hardly, The Mages are the force that must be brought to heel, Compromise is needed of course but it can only occur once they are defeated, routed and driven into the corner. Once the common man witness mages depravity in turning to the forbidden arts and rising the very dead, Public support for them will erode utterly.

So in essence i agrue for a complete Military victory, After which political compromise can occur and thus hopefully change the situation for the better. My sword has been drawn and will forever be drawn to the side of the Templars, Magic in DA is a plague and those that suffer from it and are far too often weak enough to be corrupted by it.

Those leading this rebellion are no diffrent. Therefore they must die, Its that simple to me.

Re: the underlined bit, you have to be joking.  If the mages were so utterly defeated in the way you describe, and the way you deem is necessary, then there wouldn't BE any compromise.  Conquering victors do NOT compromise with an utterly defeated foe.  That ain't even close to the requisite situation which would call for compromise.

Destroying their armies in the field, Removing those backing them and killing their leadership will remove the threat completely of their rebellion it is true but that doesn't magically return them to the way they were before the rebellion

You will have scores of mages with out leadership needing to be returned to the circle to protect society, So how exactly do you intend to return a broken army to its prison? Force will work for a time but it will be a long and drawn out process

Therefore for sheer expediency Compromise would be used, At least in my eye And you are correct the Templars would be standing on the higher ground as victors in the war but that doesn't also magically mean that the Templars wouldn't recognize some fault for the war even if it was just minor considering the mages kicked it off themselves once provided with an excuse

But you have a point a point conquerors do not comrpomise but there is no conquering of the mages to be had, not yet anyway. For as long as Magic exists so shall they, so what would you propose then? Endless war? Thousands of public executions, making being a mage a very crime? The Templars unlike some think are not stupid.

You can no more do away with mages permenantly then you can surive unclothed in the void of space. So compromise is something needed, if only just. And perhaps you would view it as an unfair concession i suppose? But never the less it would be a concession, even if it was merely the reinsution of the college in cumberland there would be something given in return for surrender.

Because this war cannot end on an unconditional surrender.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Adnders only attacked guy with magic nothing more and well hawke is retarded i don't mention that guy freed superpowerful darkspawn , gave tallis list that will cause world war and his iq was 80...

He attacked him with an attack that only affects spirits/demons. As for Hawke's "retardeness" that doesn't explain Bethany (besides Hawke can sense demons just fine as the deep roads show). It's simply not an average ability.

As far i remember he didn't went into justice mode spell only pushed him and now you are making things up it is nowhere explained what anders attack was doing.Bethany had same teacher as hawke...   despite hello hawke running around with staff and robes and no one know that he is mage despite he used magic around templar few times...

[Br3admax]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Ryzaki]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Adnders only attacked guy with magic nothing more and well hawke is retarded i don't mention that guy freed superpowerful darkspawn , gave tallis list that will cause world war and his iq was 80...

He attacked him with an attack that only affects spirits/demons. As for Hawke's "retardeness" that doesn't explain Bethany (besides Hawke can sense demons just fine as the deep roads show). It's simply not an average ability.

As far i remember he didn't went into justice mode spell only pushed him and now you are making things up it is nowhere explained what anders attack was doing.Bethany had same teacher as hawke...   despite hello hawke running around with staff and robes and no one know that he is mage despite he used magic around templar few times...

He doesn't necessarily have to go into Justice mode to use Justice's abilities.

And I was making an guess. I'd assume since it had no effect whatsoever on keran it was an ability that would only hurt spirits/demons otherwise there was no point to said attack.

Malcolm Hawke who was a bloodmage? He wouldn't tell his children how to identify abominations without using bloodmagic? NVM that abominations can sometimes make more abominations out of unwilling mages? I'm supposed to believe this?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:01 .

[MisterJB]

Silfren wrote...
1) when would the strict surveillance end? You've made it clear time and again that you don't think mages could ever be trusted.  Do you honestly believe a demon-possessed mage wouldn't simply bide their time until the surveillance was done?  You'd have to put all the surviving mages under constant surveillance for life, essentially--especially if the demon in question was capable of planning for the long haul.

20 years.
And what is your suggestion? Kill them? Ignore the danger?

2)Putting a clearly discontent Templar in place assumes that this Templar would somehow rise above temptation and not allow themselves to be corrupted.  You're not, apparently, allowing for the possibility that this templar, being clearly discontent, might fall to corruption...and now you've got at least one possessed mage and a corrupted Templar. 

I am assuming nothing. If the Templar rises above temptation, great. The demon will have one less person protecting it; if he falls, then the demon will still die and the Templar will undergo rehabilitation afterwards.
If nothing happens; then the demon might simply be far too cunning and surveilance will continue.

[Br3admax]

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Pretty sure he had to learn the art to bind the spirits and Corpheyeus. Even if he never used it again.  (Plus he used it multiple times no? Once on each of the demons then again on Cor).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:03 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Pretty sure he had to learn the art to bind the spirits and Corpheyeus. Even if he never used it again.

Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Using it once is enough to make you a Blood Mage.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Adnders only attacked guy with magic nothing more and well hawke is retarded i don't mention that guy freed superpowerful darkspawn , gave tallis list that will cause world war and his iq was 80...

He attacked him with an attack that only affects spirits/demons. As for Hawke's "retardeness" that doesn't explain Bethany (besides Hawke can sense demons just fine as the deep roads show). It's simply not an average ability.

As far i remember he didn't went into justice mode spell only pushed him and now you are making things up it is nowhere explained what anders attack was doing.Bethany had same teacher as hawke...   despite hello hawke running around with staff and robes and no one know that he is mage despite he used magic around templar few times...

He doesn't necessarily have to go into Justice mode to use Justice's abilities.

And I was making an guess. I'd assume since it had no effect whatsoever on keran it was an ability that would only hurt spirits/demons otherwise there was no point to said attack.

Malcolm Hawke who was a bloodmage? He wouldn't tell his children how to identify abominations without using bloodmagic? I'm supposed to believe this?

It had effect it pushed him like it could be provocation and abomnation after that would attack abomnations are very hostile at least when they possesed mage and well if anders could do that because of spirit why wynne couldn't do that... it was more knowledge

Eee because his children even didn't know even that he was blood mage? Maybe he didn't know maybe he knew only merril way ,and well he wsn't type who is deep in blood magic because they must force him to do that.

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Pretty sure he had to learn the art to bind the spirits and Corpheyeus. Even if he never used it again.  (Plus he used it multiple times no? Once on each of the demons then again on Cor).

Its a ritual of the Grey Warden's, and it uses a Grey Warden, or at least unique, artifact. He would not be able to learn that anywhere else. 

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Using it once is enough to make you a Blood Mage.

Once a blood mage, always a blood mage?

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...
Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

Aren't those seals only openable with the Key? (talking about the four pride demons).

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Pretty sure he had to learn the art to bind the spirits and Corpheyeus. Even if he never used it again.  (Plus he used it multiple times no? Once on each of the demons then again on Cor).

Its a ritual of the Grey Warden's, and it uses a Grey Warden, or at least unique, artifact. He would not be able to learn that anywhere else. 

Yeah, the Key apparently predates the Wardens. But it still catalyzed an act of blood magic.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Using it once is enough to make you a Blood Mage.

Once a blood mage, always a blood mage?

Once it has been used, the levies are broken. Still Malcolm appears to be the only respectable Blood Mage, that I have heard of so far.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...
Its a ritual of the Grey Warden's, and it uses a Grey Warden, or at least unique, artifact. He would not be able to learn that anywhere else.

Still uses his blood to seal Corphyeus. That is bloodmagic. It's powered by blood. They Key only responds to Hawke because of blood.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[Br3admax]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Malcolm was not a blood mage, he used blood magic once to my knowledge, so he could get his family out of Kirkwall. He definitely made sure to teach his children not to use it.

Using it once is enough to make you a Blood Mage.

No it isn't. How are you something that you don't actively practice? I used to play the violin. I have not in several years. I am not a violinist. I'm a retired mediocre strings player at best. Saying that he used to be a blood mage, ignoring the fact that he is dead, or that he once practiced it is more accurate. 

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

Aren't those seals only openable with the Key? (talking about the four pride demons).

Yeah. Did Malcolm specifically bind those pride demons though? But the seals were meant to hold Corypheus in check as well.

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Its a ritual of the Grey Warden's, and it uses a Grey Warden, or at least unique, artifact. He would not be able to learn that anywhere else.

Still uses his blood to seal Corphyeus. That is bloodmagic. It's powered by blood.

That doesn't mean he practiced it more than once, is what I am saying. 

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

Aren't those seals only openable with the Key? (talking about the four pride demons).

Yeah. Did Malcolm specifically bind those pride demons though? But the seals were meant to hold Corypheus in check as well.

Isn't Hawke needed to trigger them since he/she has the key? So he probably did.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
It had effect it pushed him like
it could be provocation and abomnation after that would attack
abomnations are very hostile at least when they possesed mage and well
if anders could do that because of spirit why wynne couldn't do that...
it was more knowledge

Eee because his children even didn't know
even that he was blood mage? Maybe he didn't know maybe he knew only
merril way ,and well he wsn't type who is deep in blood magic because
they must force him to do that.

....

Yup. This is a lost cause.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:10 .

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...
That doesn't mean he practiced it more than once, is what I am saying. 

But he knows bloodmagic thus bloodmage. (Not to mention he would've at least had to use it four times for the seals. I highly doubt they were all done at the exact same moment).

Not to mention the other characters flat out say he was a bloodmage.

Doesn't make him a terrible person but he knows the art.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:12 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

Aren't those seals only openable with the Key? (talking about the four pride demons).

Yeah. Did Malcolm specifically bind those pride demons though? But the seals were meant to hold Corypheus in check as well.

Isn't Hawke needed to trigger them since he/she has the key? So he probably did.

I guess. I honestly cannot remember. Well, then again, the key is an arcane artifact. Hawke never sheds blood until when he literally opens the gates for Corypheus. Maybe all Malcolm did was use blood magic to strengthen the shields, at the same place where Hawke let Corypheus out. Malcolm might have nothing to do with the pride demons.

[Ryzaki]

eluvianix wrote...
I guess. I honestly cannot remember. Well, then again, the key is an arcane artifact. Hawke never sheds blood until when he literally opens the gates for Corypheus. Maybe all Malcolm did was use blood magic to strengthen the shields, at the same place where Hawke let Corypheus out. Malcolm might have nothing to do with the pride demons.

The key reacts to Hawke's blood alone no? he/she doesn't cut him/herself even when opening the gates for Cor. he/she just touches the seals (same you you get rid of the mark of the binder). I assumed the key reacted to Hawke's blood (probably on the ground from comat or the blood still in his/her veins).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:13 .

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
That doesn't mean he practiced it more than once, is what I am saying. 

But he knows bloodmagic thus bloodmage. (Not to mention he would've at least had to use it four times for the seals. I highly doubt they were all done at the exact same moment).

These assumptions aside, how does this go back to your point of him teaching his kids that what an abomination is like?

And I've already responded to the whole, "He's a blood mage thing." Knowing something doesn't making you something. I'm sure msot of us here know how to kill someone. Are we all killers?

Also, branding someone for life for one action seems wrong to me. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:14 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Not necessarily. That might be magic similar to spirit medium kind of stuff, to curse those demons into the prisons. Corypheus was definitely BM though.

Aren't those seals only openable with the Key? (talking about the four pride demons).

Yeah. Did Malcolm specifically bind those pride demons though? But the seals were meant to hold Corypheus in check as well.

Isn't Hawke needed to trigger them since he/she has the key? So he probably did.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
It had effect it pushed him like
it could be provocation and abomnation after that would attack
abomnations are very hostile at least when they possesed mage and well
if anders could do that because of spirit why wynne couldn't do that...
it was more knowledge

Eee because his children even didn't know
even that he was blood mage? Maybe he didn't know maybe he knew only
merril way ,and well he wsn't type who is deep in blood magic because
they must force him to do that.

....

Yup. This is a lost cause.

Yep yep arguments run out hmm?

As far nothing i pointed isn't lie malcom was forced to preform blood magic rituals by grey wardens who take leandra..
And even anders said if that was demon he would defend himself...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 10 décembre 2013 - 09:15 .