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Darth Brotarian wrote...
General TSAR wrote...
Preach it brother.CynicalShep wrote...
because you are asking for understanding and respect from me while not offering me any.
What's even funnier is the other poster is too afraid to even reply to cynical. And if that's the case, I think cynical just nailed them 100% with that one.
Lebdood wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
General TSAR wrote...
Preach it brother.CynicalShep wrote...
because you are asking for understanding and respect from me while not offering me any.
What's even funnier is the other poster is too afraid to even reply to cynical. And if that's the case, I think cynical just nailed them 100% with that one.
Well CynicalShep didn't really lie. Respect is a two-way street.
The problem is, most people on his side don't bother.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
HiddenInWar wrote...
*comes into thread hoping to see comments of acceptance*
*leaves disappointed, as I expected*
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:10 .
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
Modifié par Lebdood, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:19 .
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
Killdren88 wrote...
It is great that Bioware even tackles the subject. But having representation for the sake of it seems to ask too much. Do you want to see transgender men at balls in gowns?
Nah, it's execution could easily turn it into classless pandering that'll offend some people's refinded sensibilities, and if the character isn't fully fleshed out they'll be a classic example of tokenism.sandalisthemaker wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
TOKENISM BE DAMNED!sandalisthemaker wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.
WHO CARES MAN.
LULZ
NOT TOKENISM.
INCLUSIVITY.
Modifié par The Hierophant, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:15 .
Okay, again, no one is dog piling anyone for wanting a certain character. All characters should have a reason to be there. We've been saying this for a very long time now. That is what we mean. If you didn't get that, now you do. We meant that. We do not hate minorities, a lot of us are minorities. We do in fact get it. We do not hate ourselves or others. Did I cover it all, or did I leave something out?addiction21 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
And if you did ask you shouldn't be dog piled on for asking.
addiction21 wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
And if you did ask you shouldn't be dog piled on for asking.
David Gaider wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Yes, but I also do not appreciate be called things like: racist, sexist, elitist, and homophobic, simply from expressing this view point. You guys can make whatever character you want. However, no one requests good characters. They request a character of a certain trait and then quality second. I'm responding more to them than you. Why can't quality come first?
If you imply that making a character transgender (or gay, or what have you) makes them of low quality by definition, then you are not just "expressing a viewpoint". If you are suggesting that such a character has to jump through more hoops in order for you to consider their concept still interesting, even not knowing a single other thing about them, then what response do you expect?
Don't sit there and shrug and say "I was just saying a thing." Consider your words for a moment. Privilege doesn't mean you're racist, sexist, elitist and homophobic... it just means you're in a position where you don't have to consider how such things affect you because they don't. If you think that means the only response is "political correctness", like that's a box you're being restricted into, consider what you're trying to break out of.
People request things by trait all the time. "Qunari love interest." "More elves." "More dialogue." "Deathblows." And so forth. Isn't it assumed that they want those things done in an interesting manner as well? If, in this one case, it's assumed that unless the request is made with certain conditions attached that writers could only produce it in a soulless manner... then why?
Just think about it, that's all.
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:12 .
Killdren88 wrote...
It is great that Bioware even tackles the subject. But having representation for the sake of it seems to ask too much. Do you want to see transgender men at balls in gowns?
The Hierophant wrote...
classless pandering
HiddenInWar wrote...
*comes into thread hoping to see comments of acceptance*
*leaves disappointed, as I expected*
Modifié par dreamgazer, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:18 .
As "spot on" as this was, as in it didn't match what anyone said, you continue to ignore the ones we made. The thing about an arguement is that one must pay attention to both sides, not the one that we agree with.HiddenInWar wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Yes, but I also do not appreciate be called things like: racist, sexist, elitist, and homophobic, simply from expressing this view point. You guys can make whatever character you want. However, no one requests good characters. They request a character of a certain trait and then quality second. I'm responding more to them than you. Why can't quality come first?
If you imply that making a character transgender (or gay, or what have you) makes them of low quality by definition, then you are not just "expressing a viewpoint". If you are suggesting that such a character has to jump through more hoops in order for you to consider their concept still interesting, even not knowing a single other thing about them, then what response do you expect?
Don't sit there and shrug and say "I was just saying a thing." Consider your words for a moment. Privilege doesn't mean you're racist, sexist, elitist and homophobic... it just means you're in a position where you don't have to consider how such things affect you because they don't. If you think that means the only response is "political correctness", like that's a box you're being restricted into, consider what you're trying to break out of.
People request things by trait all the time. "Qunari love interest." "More elves." "More dialogue." "Deathblows." And so forth. Isn't it assumed that they want those things done in an interesting manner as well? If, in this one case, it's assumed that unless the request is made with certain conditions attached that writers could only produce it in a soulless manner... then why?
Just think about it, that's all.
Spot on response. Hopefully more people will read this.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
Lebdood wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
I still don't see how including someone of a certain race or sexual preference or orientation in a video game empowers any group. Not everyone plays video games. I'm hispanic, but you don't see me asking for hispanic characters to be in Dragon Age because I feel left out. : /
Apples to Oranges.
Nationalities and ethnic groups are irrelevant on Thedas. There is no such thing as "hispanic" on Thedas.
On the other hand, you already some semblance of LGBT representation, since sexual orientation is not exclusive to real world demographics.
This is fair game.
Br3ad wrote...
Okay, again, no one is dog piling anyone for wanting a certain character. All characters should have a reason to be there. We've been saying this for a very long time now.
That is what we mean. If you didn't get that, now you do. We meant that. We do not hate minorities, a lot of us are minorities. We do in fact get it. We do not hate ourselves or others. Did I cover it all, or did I leave something out?
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