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[Lebanese Dude]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Bioware is inclusive because they want to be.
What do you guys think of that?

BioWare are a bunch of brats spreading their ideological dogma by shoehorning people where they don't belong.

Jk yay inclusivity.

[MrMrPendragon]

Lebdood wrote...

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...
Do you think people will even remember that one transgender npc when they're shooting fireballs from their hands or saving Rhys and Evangeline from nasty templars?

The fact that the "Anders / m!Hawke" controversy is still discussed is more than enough to prove my point.

And I suppose that transgender npc would play a role that's on the level of Anders?

Everyone knows who Anders is, therefore they also know all the things/issues that come with that character.

Come on, the possibility of a transgender NPC is high but not insanely high in that it will come to the story as a companion or LI.

[dreamgazer]

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

[sandalisthemaker]

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

[Dave of Canada]

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

There isn't. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any way to address it because people would blend in seamlessly as many want. Unless you want tokenism, that is.

[dreamgazer]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

You have no idea, Enchantment God, considering it doesn't exist yet.  

Still curious!

[Lebanese Dude]

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...
And I suppose that transgender npc would play a role that's on the level of Anders?

Everyone knows who Anders is, therefore they also know all the things/issues that come with that character.

Come on, the possibility of a transgender NPC is high but not insanely high in that it will come to the story as a companion or LI.

Maevaris Tilani is a minor character whose background was somewhat fleshed out. To that extent, people expressed interest in her and requested her presence in DA:I.

It is highly unlikely, but who's to say she might not have a huge impact on the Inquisition or some future game? It's anybody's guess.

Modifié par Lebdood, 06 décembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[MrMrPendragon]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

Well they don't call the transgender community a "minority" for nothing.

That means, most will probably read it as blatant neon-sign fanservice.

[Mr.House]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

If it's just put in there just for the sake of it, then yes it is.

[Lebanese Dude]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Is it unreasonable for me to say that I feel that this certain aspect of this company doesn't matter to me due to the personal experiences of me and my friends? That's all I'm really saying. I don't see the benefit of inclusivity. They could add every type of person into this game, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, I wouldn't really see the benefit of it outside of Bioware being able to say that they did it. I haven't really argued anything past this point.

You might not see the benefit, but some people might. It's their right to request it.

Would a memorable transgender NPC be cool? Sure. But it wouldn't exactly be on my top ten list of things I'd ask Bioware to do. They should do it because they want to and not because some fans feel that it would improve Bioware's rep. Gaider and the writing staff seem to have this philosophy anyways, so there's that.

That's great to hear, but the poster didnt' say this was a pressing issue that needs to be dealt with immediately. It's a simple request from a fan. What's the big deal?

David Gaider posted a nice reply to your question a while back. You should read it. 

Modifié par Lebdood, 06 décembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[sandalisthemaker]

dreamgazer wrote...


You have no idea, Enchantment God, considering it doesn't exist yet.  

Still curious!

YET.
I STILL STAND BY MY OPINION AS DO YOU. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. DIVERSITY IS FAB. WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY.

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

If it's just put in there just for the sake of it, then yes it is.

So how do you know if it is put in there just for the sake of it?
How would you be able to  tell?

I'm legitimately curious.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 06 décembre 2013 - 01:00 .

[jncicesp]

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

Dragon Age has a ton of story for small semi important characters anyway right? I wouldnt call any of them Fanservice..but maybe most of them blatant so that wouldnt be an out of place thing to do, Or anything thats been done not so 'blatant' Odds are the writers got a hang of one of those already.

[Lebanese Dude]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Botmods superior. Organic-mods inferior.

I tried. #SorryNotSorry 

[dreamgazer]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


You have no idea, Enchantment God, considering it doesn't exist yet.  

Still curious!

YET.
I STILL STAND BY MY OPINION AS DO YOU. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. DIVERSITY IS FAB. WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY.

Diversity is fab.

Hollow inclusivity is not. 

Dave of Canada wrote...

There isn't. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any way to address it because people would blend in seamlessly as many want. Unless you want tokenism, that is.

Precisely.

[MrMrPendragon]

Lebdood wrote...

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...
And I suppose that transgender npc would play a role that's on the level of Anders?

Everyone knows who Anders is, therefore they also know all the things/issues that come with that character.

Come on, the possibility of a transgender NPC is high but not insanely high in that it will come to the story as a companion or LI.

Maevaris Tilani is a minor character who's background was somewhat fleshed out. To that extent, people expressed interest in her and requested her presence in DA:I.

It is highly unlikely, but who's to say she might not have a huge impact on the Inquisition or some future game? It's anybody's guess.

Ok fair enough.

I did read the comics and she's alright.

[Mr.House]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

If it's just put in there just for the sake of it, then yes it is.

So how do you know if it is put in there just for the sake of it?
How would you be able to  tell?

I'm legitimately curious.

Not that hard really.

[Lebanese Dude]

lol

Modifié par Lebdood, 06 décembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[Lebanese Dude]

dreamgazer wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

There isn't. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any way to address it because people would blend in seamlessly as many want. Unless you want tokenism, that is.

Precisely.

I can't wait for that day. It won't come soon enough =]

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

But It is YOUR OPINION that their orientation would be blatant neon-sign fanservice.

IT WOULDN'T BE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE. 

If it's just put in there just for the sake of it, then yes it is.

So how do you know if it is put in there just for the sake of it?
How would you be able to  tell?

I'm legitimately curious.

Not that hard really.

Anyone can say that it was just put there for the sake of it.  Regardless of how well or poorly it is implemented.

BioWare is well aware of how important it is to do it right in the future. They have stated as much. Here's hoping they can pull it off when eventually they do.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 06 décembre 2013 - 01:06 .

[Ianamus]

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

What orientation? The orientation of the transgender character? 

I don't really think it would be relevant to their gender identity. 

[Maria Caliban]

dreamgazer wrote...

On-topic: I'd still like an answer to this:

Again, I ask: how would their orientation be addressed in the narrative in a way that wouldn't be blatant neon-sign fanservice? Think about character conversations and introductory/back stories here.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm legitimately curious.

Can you elaborate?

If you want to have a transgender NPC, you do what they did with Serendipity - you have someone who is biologically X with a gender expression Y.

You don't need to make an issue out of it. You just need to do more than 'this person is a joke' and 'this person is a prostitute.'

There is no need to address anything in the narrative. Heck, it's actually easier than having a queer character.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 06 décembre 2013 - 01:06 .