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[slimgrin]

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

[daveliam]

slimgrin wrote...

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

I wasn't aware that Dragon Age isn't intended for minorities and that we need to "make our own game".  Here I thought it was a game for everyone.....equally.

[CynicalShep]

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...
Oh, there would be a plot change. The idea was to have a king and a queen and that is achievable with a male and a female. You can have him in charge. You can have her in charge. You can have them in charge. Since Anora is a lady, you have to change the plot or the lore in order to have him be anything other than a straight male. Same applies to Morrigan.

So take away the option for Anora and Alice to marry. Not a big deal at all.

You're taking away endings from the game just to make Alistair something other than a straight male. Why?

[Petedj06]

Lazengan wrote...

Oh FFS please no

Video games are not your medium for your liberal agenda and other self gratification garbage

http://www.youtube.c...B5snyJfXk#t=382

These "people" make me cringe. They don't even make games, and they force others to accommodate them

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

Okay, first thing is first, why put people in quotes, are you saying transgender people are not people? Also, how do you know transgender people don't make games, what if I told you that I knew for an absolute FACT that that there are transgender people in the video game industry. Also, no one is "forcing" anyone to do anything. Some people are asking politely, then they are jumped on and yelled at. 

Now, what do reviewers do? Their job is to recomend games/movies/music/books/whatever. GTAV is NOT a game for everyone. Some people think it's childish, or don't care for it's humor, or the amount of violence, or what have you (I'm not one of these people, but I understand the argument), and it IS far from perfect. For a reviewer to give it a perfect score is reckless, because they are now, in effect, recomending it to everyone. 

Modifié par Petedj06, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:28 .

[addiction21]

slimgrin wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

Then please enlighten us to what group video games are supposed to be made for?

[franciscoamell]

slimgrin wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

Yeah, cause those things totally take the same effort.<_<

[DeinonSlayer]

Lazengan wrote...

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

That reminds me of the brouhaha some tried to stir up over the film "Ender's Game" because the author of the book (who did not write the film) was opposed to gay marriage. It's a sci-fi story which in no way broaches the issue, and yet they've got a whole section on the "controversy" in the Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:30 .

[slimgrin]

addiction21 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

Then please enlighten us to what group video games are supposed to be made for?

The people who make the game.

[GreyLycanTrope]

CynicalShep wrote...
You're taking away endings from the game just to make Alistair something other than a straight male. Why?

Because orientation doesn't matter, unless of course a character is hetero, then it's an affront for some reason.

[Petedj06]

addiction21 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

Then please enlighten us to what group video games are supposed to be made for?

the answer to this is always "me," no matter who is speaking. Everyone wants the game that caters to them most.

[Meatbaggins]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

>implying that minorities actually care about being included in Bioware games.

It's obvious that some of us do, but I don't think anyone's trying to make blanket statements. The vast majority of gamers don't even go on forums like this, so why should our relative proportion matter to to the rest of gamers and society matter here?

[La_Mer]

addiction21 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


And people can have their transgender character. I do not care.

You care enough to continually post and pull the "I am of a minority so because I don't care no one else should either" card.

Maybe said minority should make their own game, dealing with the issues they care about. Instead of lobbying other devs to do it for them.

Then please enlighten us to what group video games are supposed to be made for?

The majority.

I'm just being cheeky.

I would love a a trans LI to be canon. My elven Warden's Leliana is TG cuz mods.

[Plaintiff]

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...
Oh, there would be a plot change. The idea was to have a king and a queen and that is achievable with a male and a female. You can have him in charge. You can have her in charge. You can have them in charge. Since Anora is a lady, you have to change the plot or the lore in order to have him be anything other than a straight male. Same applies to Morrigan.

So take away the option for Anora and Alice to marry. Not a big deal at all.

You're taking away endings from the game just to make Alistair something other than a straight male. Why?

Lol, as if it had any impact whatsoever on the ending. So make it that chicks can marry.

A better question to ask would be why you are so adamant that Alistair must be a man and that he must be able to marry Anora. It's not vital to the gameplay, or to the plot.

Nothing in Dragon Age (or any work of fiction, for that matter) is "needed". The only reason anything exists in a story is because the writers wanted it that way.

[Petedj06]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

That reminds me of the brouhaha some tried to stir up over the film "Ender's Game" because the author of the book (who did not write the film) was opposed to gay marriage. It's a sci-fi story which in no way broaches the issue, and yet they've got a whole section on the "controversy" in the Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.

It's not that Card is opposed to gay marriage, it is that he actively contributes his money to well-known anti-gay funds. By seeing his movie/readin his books, you give him money. He then takes this money, and pays the well-known anti-gay funds. Some people do not like the idea of their money going to these funds.

[addiction21]

slimgrin wrote...


The people who make the game.

And that would be who? Clearly you know every person in the video game industry. So please give a straight answer.

Who should video games be made for?

[Petedj06]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Petedj06 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Oh FFS please no

Video games are not your medium for your liberal agenda and other self gratification garbage

http://www.youtube.c...B5snyJfXk#t=382

These "people" make me cringe. They don't even make games, and they force others to accommodate them

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

Okay, first thing is first, why put people in quotes, are you saying transgender people are not people? Also, how do you know transgender people don't make games, what if I told you that I knew for an absolute FACT that that there are transgender people in the video game industry. Also, no one is "forcing" anyone to do anything. Some people are asking politely, then they are jumped on and yelled at. 

Now, what do reviewers do? Their job is to recomend games/movies/music/books/whatever. GTAV is NOT a game for everyone. Some people think it's childish, or don't care for it's humor, or the amount of violence, or what have you (I'm not one of these people, but I understand the argument), and it IS far from perfect. For a reviewer to give it a perfect score is reckless, because they are now, in effect, recomending it to everyone. 

Yeah, it makes sense that a group of reviewers would reccommend or not reccommend a game based on if they feel other people in their group would enjoy it.

You're not gonna reccommend Slayer to a Christian, and you're not going to reccommend the Dave Matthews Band to a Slayer fan.

YES

[Ryzaki]

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...
Oh, there would be a plot change. The idea was to have a king and a queen and that is achievable with a male and a female. You can have him in charge. You can have her in charge. You can have them in charge. Since Anora is a lady, you have to change the plot or the lore in order to have him be anything other than a straight male. Same applies to Morrigan.

So take away the option for Anora and Alice to marry. Not a big deal at all.

Or change Anora into a dude.

Gender flipping all the royals would make the whole "getting rid of the man cause he can't give me babies" a nice change from the typical get rid of the woman cause she can't give me babies storyline.

[DeinonSlayer]

Petedj06 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

That reminds me of the brouhaha some tried to stir up over the film "Ender's Game" because the author of the book (who did not write the film) was opposed to gay marriage. It's a sci-fi story which in no way broaches the issue, and yet they've got a whole section on the "controversy" in the Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.

It's not that Card is opposed to gay marriage, it is that he actively contributes his money to well-known anti-gay funds. By seeing his movie/readin his books, you give him money. He then takes this money, and pays the well-known anti-gay funds. Some people do not like the idea of their money going to these funds.

I don't like being forced to pay for other people's abortions via government-mandated healthcare, so I guess I can sympathize, but the thing is (to my understanding) Card sold the movie rights over a decade ago. To my understanding he doesn't get paid for the movie itself - he got his money back then, so boycotting the film achieves nothing.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Ryzaki]

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...
Oh, there would be a plot change. The idea was to have a king and a queen and that is achievable with a male and a female. You can have him in charge. You can have her in charge. You can have them in charge. Since Anora is a lady, you have to change the plot or the lore in order to have him be anything other than a straight male. Same applies to Morrigan.

So take away the option for Anora and Alice to marry. Not a big deal at all.

You're taking away endings from the game just to make Alistair something other than a straight male. Why?

...Except to make Alistair something other than a straight male endings wouldn't have to change. (Anora and Cailan's gender might need to be swapped to make the marriage ending work if Alistair was turned female) But no Alistair being a bisexual male wouldn't change anything about him and Anora getitng married seeing as it was only for politics anyway and Alistair shows little to no attraction to her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Lazengan]

addiction21 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Oh FFS please no

Video games are not your medium for your liberal agenda and other self gratification garbage

http://www.youtube.c...B5snyJfXk#t=382

These "people" make me cringe. They don't even make games, and they force others to accommodate them

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

Well none of these are games so why would you care?

Because

things like this and Aneeta Sarkeesean's garbage give the industry and developpers the illusion of demand for such content. 

Can you imagine the next triple A releases of 2014? Entire "games" filled with boring worthless text, terrible terrible artistic integrity, and actually zero gameplay because to do so would be "demeaning" to women and transexuals. *Shudder*

[slimgrin]

addiction21 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...


The people who make the game.

And that would be who? Clearly you know every person in the video game industry. So please give a straight answer.

Who should video games be made for?

It shouldn't be made for a specific demographic, but a creative goal instead. Radical thinking in these parts.

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:38 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Petedj06 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

A reviewer gave GTA 5 a poor review because "I couldn't relate to it as a transexual". What the actual ****

That reminds me of the brouhaha some tried to stir up over the film "Ender's Game" because the author of the book (who did not write the film) was opposed to gay marriage. It's a sci-fi story which in no way broaches the issue, and yet they've got a whole section on the "controversy" in the Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.

It's not that Card is opposed to gay marriage, it is that he actively contributes his money to well-known anti-gay funds. By seeing his movie/readin his books, you give him money. He then takes this money, and pays the well-known anti-gay funds. Some people do not like the idea of their money going to these funds.

I don't like the idea of paying for other people's abortions via government-mandated healthcare, so I guess I can sympathize, but the thing is (to my understanding) Card sold the movie rights over a decade ago. To my understanding he doesn't get paid for the movie itself - he got his money back then, so boycotting the film achieves nothing.

I don't want to pay for people's brats going to public schools because their parents couldn't be bothered wrapping it up either. But I do.

There's taxes going to something someone doesn't support. That's just the nature of the beast.