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[General TSAR]

Dark Korsar wrote...

I do not want to see that devs add(and especially change) any npc just because someone need more nps with a certain sexual preferenсe and gender identity

NPC IS NOT GENDER AND SEXUAL PREFERENCES, STOP DOING THIS SH*T!!!...please, just let devs make good characters

Enough Said. 

[durasteel]

Statare wrote...
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Seredipity (unclear if she is transgender or transvestite) is an example where the writers or developers or whoever thought it was a good idea to put transgender and transvestite characters in the game as 'jokes'. I know many people did not find her character inherently humorous, and were a little disturbed to discover her as the butt of some poorly developed, middle-school-esque joke in MOTA. The punchline is "lol she's a guy," and we are supposed to react in horror, disgust, or chuckle. Our characters and Tallis think it's 'awkward' and 'funny' too. So Bioware is already putting them in the game and doing it poorly and immaturely. 
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Well, I chuckled.

Look, in almost any circumstance where you expect one thing and discover something else, humor is a predictable and reasonable outcome. While I certainly don't condone mocking someone's gender identity issue, it will always be the case that when someone approaches a potential sexual partner and discovers that that potential partner is not "as advertised," hilarity might ensue. I think the person who is suprised is the one who is the butt of the joke, not the one who is approached.

The bottom line is that a "Lola" situation is generally, in fact, awkward and funny. Always has been, always will be.

[Statare]

General TSAR wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

I do not want to see that devs add(and especially change) any npc just because someone need more nps with a certain sexual preferenсe and gender identity

NPC IS NOT GENDER AND SEXUAL PREFERENCES, STOP DOING THIS SH*T!!!...please, just let devs make good characters

Enough Said. 

Sorry guys. But they have already put such characters in their games and comics. It's not a question really of adding things they would not normally put in the games.

[Statare]

durasteel wrote...

Statare wrote...
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Seredipity (unclear if she is transgender or transvestite) is an example where the writers or developers or whoever thought it was a good idea to put transgender and transvestite characters in the game as 'jokes'. I know many people did not find her character inherently humorous, and were a little disturbed to discover her as the butt of some poorly developed, middle-school-esque joke in MOTA. The punchline is "lol she's a guy," and we are supposed to react in horror, disgust, or chuckle. Our characters and Tallis think it's 'awkward' and 'funny' too. So Bioware is already putting them in the game and doing it poorly and immaturely. 
...

Well, I chuckled.

Look, in almost any circumstance where you expect one thing and discover something else, humor is a predictable and reasonable outcome. While I certainly don't condone mocking someone's gender identity issue, it will always be the case that when someone approaches a potential sexual partner and discovers that that potential partner is not "as advertised," hilarity might ensue. I think the person who is suprised is the one who is the butt of the joke, not the one who is approached.

The bottom line is that a "Lola" situation is generally, in fact, awkward and funny. Always has been, always will be.

I editied my post. I think what bugged a lot of people, is that your Hawke is expected to find it humorous or awkward (even if Hawke has met Seredipity before...) or you are roleplaying your Hawke as transgendered (it's possible guys).

I dunno about a lot of y'all, but I and a lot of people don't laugh or find it awkward when we encounter transexual, transgender, or transvestite folks.

[General TSAR]

@Steel.
I chuckled as well.

Modifié par General TSAR, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:00 .

[Vulpe]

Statare wrote...

I editied my post. I think what bugged a lot of people, is that your Hawke is expected to find it humorous or awkward (even if Hawke has met Seredipity before...) or you are roleplaying your Hawke as transgendered (it's possible guys).

I dunno about a lot of y'all, but I and a lot of people don't laugh or find it awkward when we encounter transexual, transgender, or transvestite folks.

It can be funny for some people...as long as it's not overdone. Then it becomes annoying. It's just a matter of humor and we know that humor, as people, comes in all shapes and sizes.

[Archaven]

lol this is what happen when bioware is appealing to ******/bi people. and now wut? transgender? i'd really chuckle

[Silfren]

Exaltation wrote...

I liked Serendipity in DA2/MOTA,i wonder if there will be more transgender characters in DA:I and with better roles? Serendipity was just a prostitute >.>

There is Maevaris from the comics.  I kind of think she'll figure into DA:I.

[Silfren]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

[Exaltation]

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

The DA Wikia says she's transgender.

[Vulpe]

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

I think that's the case for every transgender female in Thedas. I don't think they have acces to hormonal treatements or any surgical interventions and I doubt that magic can help them.

Though, they might do to themselves the same thing Nero did to that dude that looked like his dead wife .

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:28 .

[Silfren]

Exaltation wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

The DA Wikia says she's transgender.

The wiki is wrong.  As it is, the wiki tends to be unreliable.  I wouldn't take anything for granted there that isn't sourced.

From Gaider's blog: "We never thought of her as transgender, per se—she’s more of a drag queen, in attitude if not in appearance (lacking the appropriate options, else that’s what she would have been)."

http://dgaider.tumbl...nder-characters

Modifié par Silfren, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:28 .

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

I think that's the case for every transgender female in Thedas. I don't think they have acces to hormonal treatements or any surgical interventions and I doubt that magic can help them.

Though, they might do to themselves the same thing Nero did to that dude that looked like his dead wife .

Except that Maevaris is definitively a transgender woman, again by Gaider's own words. 

[Secretlyapotato]

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

Transgender is an umbrella term that includes crossdressers and transsexuals.

[durasteel]

Statare wrote...
...or you are roleplaying your Hawke as transgendered (it's possible guys).
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You mean, you go with a beardless male Hawke and headcanon the character as female, or headcanon your female Hawke as male? To each his or her own, I suppose.

I can see riffing on the gender identity of an NPC, but I'm less clear on the logic of a transPC since you get to choose the gender at creation. I'll be the first to admit, however, that the whole "T" thing bewilders me.

Modifié par durasteel, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:41 .

[Vulpe]

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Serendipity?

I don't think Bioware will be doing another joke transgender character.

Moreover, Serendipity was NOT transgender, per Gaider's own words.  That was cross-dressing.

I think that's the case for every transgender female in Thedas. I don't think they have acces to hormonal treatements or any surgical interventions and I doubt that magic can help them.

Though, they might do to themselves the same thing Nero did to that dude that looked like his dead wife .

Except that Maevaris is definitively a transgender woman, again by Gaider's own words. 

 I'm just saying that her (and any other person in her situation ) transformation is a little limited do to the medieval setting, reason why all she can do is dress as a woman.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:41 .

[durasteel]

Silfren wrote...

Except that Maevaris is definitively a transgender woman, again by Gaider's own words. 

I thought Maevaris was a transgender guy.

Wait... someone tell me how the terminology structure works. A guy dressed as a woman is a "transgender woman," then?

We need better vocabulary.

[Seagloom]

It should be noted transgender is an umbrella term that actually includes drag queens. Regardless of how Serendipity was written to self-identify, perception is important as Gaider acknowledged in that very blog post.

Most players will never have read his tumblr page. I hadn't before today. They will assume Serendipity was written as transsexual; given how often it is transsexuals used in that sort of joke, and form their opinion on that.

Edit: Partly ninja'ed by Secretelyapotato

[Vulpe]

durasteel wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Except that Maevaris is definitively a transgender woman, again by Gaider's own words. 

I thought Maevaris was a transgender guy.

Wait... someone tell me how the terminology structure works. A guy dressed as a woman is a "transgender woman," then?

Yes, you are correct

EDIT

Only if they consider themselves as womans trapped in male bodies.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[durasteel]

Silfren wrote...

The wiki is wrong.  As it is, the wiki tends to be unreliable.  I wouldn't take anything for granted there that isn't sourced.

From Gaider's blog: "We never thought of her as transgender, per se—she’s more of a drag queen, in attitude if not in appearance (lacking the appropriate options, else that’s what she would have been)."

http://dgaider.tumbl...nder-characters

Again with the vocabulary. So, as I understood it until a minute ago, a drag queen is a transvestite, which falls under the broader category of transgender in the modern parlance.

My understanding was that a transvestite was a dude who said "I am a dude dressed up like a woman," and that a transsexual was a dude that said "I am a woman, regardless of parts." Or the same thing but gender reversed. Both would be transgender.

We definately need better vocabulary.

[Seagloom]

durasteel wrote...

Wait... someone tell me how the terminology structure works. A guy dressed as a woman is a "transgender woman," then?

We need better vocabulary.

Transgender is a catch all term for all types of gender variant folks. A crossdresser still identifies as their birth sex. They just like dressing in opposite sex clothes sometimes. A drag queen/king is more of an entertainer.

A transsexual is someone who feels their mind and body do not align, and seek to change their physical sex to match their mental gender. That can be male-to-female or female-to-male. Although transsexual itself has several sub-categories as beliefs differ on whether or not physical changes are necessary.

Then there are other categories such as queer; who do not feel comfortable conforming to a binary gender system at all.

It can be pretty vast topic, honestly; but that's a crude shorthand.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[Maria Caliban]

Silfren wrote...

The wiki is wrong.  As it is, the wiki tends to be unreliable.  I wouldn't take anything for granted there that isn't sourced.

From Gaider's blog: "We never thought of her as transgender, per se—she’s more of a drag queen, in attitude if not in appearance (lacking the appropriate options, else that’s what she would have been)."

http://dgaider.tumbl...nder-characters

Then why is David refering to Serendipity as a her and she?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:56 .

[Volus Warlord]

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[Hainkpe]

What the... ?

XD

You got my vote, OP.