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[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, Jack says it no matter what your alignment. I can it in a good light.. somewhat. It kind of sucks since I romance her though. Not the best greeting in that context.

But of course, she's a ME2 LI so its not like she can have quality content.

[Han Shot First]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Seems this is only really applicable to Shepards who let the top of the wheel think for them. Do "burn-down-the-orphanage" renegades get the "king of the boy scouts" moniker too? I know my canon was about 60-40 paragade at the end of things.I also know Javik has a different (more approving) initial assessment of ReneShep, and believes ParaShep is lying if you say you'll do whatever is necessary to win.

Not really, even a bottom-of-the-wheel Shepard would still be a boyscout to Aria's eyes. RenShep might be ruthless, but its ruthlessness in service to a government. Shepard is working for the man.

[Bullets McDeath]

Shepard (even a Ruthless Renegade Shepard) is always rescuing people and foiling evil-doers and is always prepared with an array of weapons, armor, vehicles and tech for any situation. Hence, "king of the boy scouts". It was a playful dig at what an intergalactic badass he is. I never took it as a commentary on his morality/personality.

[Steelcan]

Yes Shepards who sacrificed the council, exterminated the rachni, etc... are still clearly not nearly as ruthless as Aria.

give me a break

[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Yes Shepards who sacrificed the council, exterminated the rachni, etc... are still clearly not nearly as ruthless as Aria.

give me a break

Hell, I'm the guy who put one of her crime bosses in power (Helena Blake).

or you could take down all three:whistle:

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Seems this is only really applicable to Shepards who let the top of the wheel think for them. Do "burn-down-the-orphanage" renegades get the "king of the boy scouts" moniker too? I know my canon was about 60-40 paragade at the end of things.I also know Javik has a different (more approving) initial assessment of ReneShep, and believes ParaShep is lying if you say you'll do whatever is necessary to win.

Not really, even a bottom-of-the-wheel Shepard would still be a boyscout to Aria's eyes. RenShep might be ruthless, but its ruthlessness in service to a government. Shepard is working for the man.

She shouldn't even know that on first meeting. Let alone color Shepard's character by that. In ME2, she sees you only as a Spectre -- and views that with some caution (or maybe even dread). You're not a boy scout. You're trouble. Spectres aren't government representatives in the typical sense. They do everything the government doesn't even want to know about.

Personal insults aren't always accurate. In fact frequently they're based on stereotypes or exaggerations. Aria calling Shepard a boyscout isn't an issue in my opinion, because it fits with the stereotypes of both someone in the military and someone who is a government agent. It makes sense for her character to say it, even if it isn't an 100% accurate appraisal of Shepard's personality.

[Han Shot First]

Because that is who Aria is. She isn't warm-and-cuddly. She didn't get to be the pirate queen of Omega by being nice.

But even so, at best Aria's comment falls into the realm of good-natured ribbing. It doesn't come across as hostile.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[General TSAR]

StreetMagic wrote...

Hell, I'm the guy who put one of her crime bosses in power (Helena Blake).

Great minds think alike. 

[eyezonlyii]

StreetMagic wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Seems this is only really applicable to Shepards who let the top of the wheel think for them. Do "burn-down-the-orphanage" renegades get the "king of the boy scouts" moniker too? I know my canon was about 60-40 paragade at the end of things.I also know Javik has a different (more approving) initial assessment of ReneShep, and believes ParaShep is lying if you say you'll do whatever is necessary to win.

Not really, even a bottom-of-the-wheel Shepard would still be a boyscout to Aria's eyes. RenShep might be ruthless, but its ruthlessness in service to a government. Shepard is working for the man.

She shouldn't even know that on first meeting. Let alone color Shepard's character by that. In ME2, she sees you only as a Spectre -- and views that with some caution (or maybe even dread). You're not a boy scout. You're trouble. Spectres aren't government representatives in the typical sense. They do everything the government doesn't even want to know about.

Personal insults aren't always accurate. In fact frequently they're based on stereotypes or exaggerations. Aria calling Shepard a boyscout isn't an issue in my opinion, because it fits with the stereotypes of both someone in the military and someone who is a government agent. It makes sense for her character to say it, even if it isn't an 100% accurate appraisal of Shepard's personality.

Why would she insult me though? I helped her after Garrus mission.. she helped back and gave me a location for some Eclipse shipments, and told me to find a nice girl. I had a cool little mission with Patriarch. I screwed over that Salarian who wanted to screw up her status on Omega. There was at least some kind of informal partnership here. She's friendly enough that she finally tells me a little of her history. The time for insults is over.

Because it upsets you, and thus you'll want to prove her wrong even more, thus taking more jobs from her and solidifying her place as Queen of Omega 

Honestly though, I think it was because they were catering to the "new" crowd, who had a default Shep, and therefore, the line would be more fitting of his more neutral/paragon stature at that point.

[Ryzaki]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Yes Shepards who sacrificed the council, exterminated the rachni, etc... are still clearly not nearly as ruthless as Aria.

give me a break

Hell, I'm the guy who put one of her crime bosses in power (Helena Blake).

Wait...what happens to Helena if you don't encourage her to step down?

Also Jack punching my renedouche in the face was where I threw my hands up. Renedouche lets no one hit him and get away with it. Playful or not. (Even that Asari was an inch away from getting a bullet a high velocity).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[KaiserShep]

If you don't make Helena Blake disband the gang or kill her, she becomes one of Aria's underlings on Omega.

I wish there was a renegade interrupt to stop Jack's punch, or at least punch her back. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Steelcan]

If you don't have her disband the group she let's Aria buy her out

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...what happens to Helena if you don't encourage her to step down?

Also Jack punching my renedouche in the face was where I threw my hands up. Renedouche lets no one hit him and get away with it. Playful or not. (Even that Asari was an inch away from getting a bullet a high velocity).

As opposed to a low-velocity bullet? I suppose you could take the ammo block out and throw it at her. 

If you don't pull the lame-ass "social worker" route (avoid persuasion), Helena Blake's criminal organization gets absorbed by Aria. She becomes something of an underboss on Omega.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Ryzaki]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Yes Shepards who sacrificed the council, exterminated the rachni, etc... are still clearly not nearly as ruthless as Aria.

give me a break

Hell, I'm the guy who put one of her crime bosses in power (Helena Blake).

Wait...what happens to Helena if you don't encourage her to step down?

Not much. She just shows up on Omega, talks about working with Aria. Otherwise, she becomes a "social worker". Which is laughable.. Better to just kill her. Nothing against social workers. It's just unbelievable when she says how much you changed her life. Especially as an old woman.

As for Jack punching - that works for me, but because I was romanced, and left her. I could also see it being justified if you were a Cerberus lackey the whole time in ME2 or saved the collector base.. but not otherwise.

Actually to be fair she doesn't sound like she's into anything other than drug pushing anyway. Listening to the scorn in her voice when she talks about her coworkers and the slavery and abuse they do it really doesn't seem completely WTF that she'd try to go the other way.

Besides her being an old woman gives her more reason to turn her life around to me. She's probably tired of the posturing BS most thugs do.

I didn't romance her ass and I blew up the base.

Renegade interrupt where you hit her back or block would've been nice.

And her becoming an underboss isn't that bad.

@Deinon:  Wouldn't she just throw that back biotically? (Not that it'd matter for my adept...)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[Ryzaki]

StreetMagic wrote...
Blake isn't into drugs. Just smuggling and shipping illegal weapons (illegal weapons such as ones Shepard carries.. like Eviscerators and Wraiths :happy:). She wants you to put down other crime bosses who are shipping Red Sand and engaging in slavery.

Ah thanks for the correction. So yeah that just to me anyway shows why she'd become a social worker. Alot of people get screwed over by slavers and drug rings she dislikes those things and decides to help some of them out as only she can since she's no longer in the business.

[DeinonSlayer]

@Ryzaki:

I sense the start of an epic confrontation.