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Tips For Buying First Built Gaming PC?

Débuté par RavenousBear , déc. 06 2013 01:29

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 04:03

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EntropicAngel wrote...
How am I going to fit 900 GB of games on a 128 SSD that's more expensive?

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900/15 (average game?) = 60 games... do you play 60 games at the same time?

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 04:59

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Rubios wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...
How am I going to fit 900 GB of games on a 128 SSD that's more expensive?

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900/15 (average game?) = 60 games... do you play 60 games at the same time?


That was my question. Might as well leave a game in the cloud unless you figure you'll be playing it soon, or it's modded. (Assuming it's from Steam or Origin, that is.)

Of course, this depends on your gaming habits. I only play one RPG at a time, for instance.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 décembre 2013 - 05:00 .

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 06:36

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Actually if you only have one 128'ish SSD, you won't be having enough space to even install one game on it. That system drive fills up faster than you might think and you should keep in mind that you always, always should leave at least 10% of a drive free or else Windows can and will crap out due to unavailable data space, messing up your PC.


If you want to install games on a SSD, either get a seperate one just for that (a small 64GB SSD would suffice for that), or buy a larger SSD (180GB or more) from the start.

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 07:35

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I don't check your math there. Are the more recent OSs that huge? (Wouldn't know; I never upgrade an OS until I'm forced to, so ATM I'm running Vista, of all things)

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 10:33

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I don't check your math there. Are the more recent OSs that huge? (Wouldn't know; I never upgrade an OS until I'm forced to, so ATM I'm running Vista, of all things)


Well, I'm running Windows 7 HP and all system programs (like anti-virus, Office, etc.) on my 120GB SSD to keep system response times as low as possible and it's totalling up to 86GB (I run my games and multimedia files from my 1TB 7200rpm HDD). I do regularily clear my system to purge junk data so it's not simply cluttered data mess.

And like I've said, always leave at least 10% space on your drives, or else Windows will get fuzzy on those drives. That leaves me with 20GB free data space, which simply isn't enough for a game which is large enough to see benefits in loading times (Bf4 with it's first DLC already take up 28GB for example).


If you maintain an ultra slim system drive like running non-OS system applications on a HDD instead, you can free up quite some space, but really the point for using an SSD as system drive is to accelerate, well your entire system.

Using a SSD for games to keep loading times down is a still luxury and you have to pay for it.

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Posté 08 décembre 2013 - 11:02

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Exactly how much of a difference would I see with using a SSD to boot my OS? My computer takes several minutes to boot up; so if the difference is rather small I can use the SSD for my games to save space on the SSD.

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Exactly how much of a difference would I see with using a SSD to boot my OS? My computer takes several minutes to boot up; so if the difference is rather small I can use the SSD for my games to save space on the SSD.


Depends on fast your SSD, but generally you measure a cold start up below a minute. If you get our PC out of sleep mode, it's usually measured in seconds, so yeah, fast.


My own PC running with an average speed SSD starts up from cold in around thirty seconds and getting up from sleep mode is nearly instantanous.
More importantly though, the whole system will work faster with reduced loading limes. And a SSD is a real charm if you do regular security scans as those will fly past in no-time as opposed to the aeons it usually took on a HDD.



I have to ephasize that a SSD will not make your PC better, just reduce loading times and start-up for your OS and programs. If you can live with longer loading and start up, the money is better put to something like your upgrade savings for CPU/GPU etc.. But should you chose to get one for your system, it IS a helluva lot faster indeed. And if you have the money lying around to get one to install your games on, then you can essentionally kiss loading screens goodbye.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 12:27

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

LoneWolf8588 wrote...

Exactly how much of a difference would I see with using a SSD to boot my OS? My computer takes several minutes to boot up; so if the difference is rather small I can use the SSD for my games to save space on the SSD.


Depends on fast your SSD, but generally you measure a cold start up below a minute. If you get our PC out of sleep mode, it's usually measured in seconds, so yeah, fast.


My own PC running with an average speed SSD starts up from cold in around thirty seconds and getting up from sleep mode is nearly instantanous.
More importantly though, the whole system will work faster with reduced loading limes. And a SSD is a real charm if you do regular security scans as those will fly past in no-time as opposed to the aeons it usually took on a HDD.



I have to ephasize that a SSD will not make your PC better, just reduce loading times and start-up for your OS and programs. If you can live with longer loading and start up, the money is better put to something like your upgrade savings for CPU/GPU etc.. But should you chose to get one for your system, it IS a helluva lot faster indeed. And if you have the money lying around to get one to install your games on, then you can essentionally kiss loading screens goodbye.


I see. How hard is it add such a SSD into a computer system once it has been built? Perhaps that could fit a scenario where I add the SSD at a later date.

So how much GB does either Windows 7 or 8 require from the SSD? That may be a factor for my upcoming decision shortly.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 12:37

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Installing a SSD is pretty much down to connect it with a SATA connector (preferably a 6Gb/s connector) and do a freshstart. Your BIOS will show if it's recognized. If not, enter your BIOS and scan for new drives, done.

As for how much capacity you'd need, I'd say going with a 120'ish GB SSD is more than enough if you use it as a complete system accelerator. That will allow you to install every application on your SSD, though as mentioned will not leave room for installing games on it too.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 01:06

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Can the SSD instead be assigned to enhancing the speed of my games' loading times rather than enhancing the boot-up time of the OS and other applications on it?

How many games could a 120-128 GB store?

Modifié par LoneWolf8588, 09 décembre 2013 - 01:07 .

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LoneWolf8588 wrote...

Can the SSD instead be assigned to enhancing the speed of my games' loading times rather than enhancing the boot-up time of the OS and other applications on it?

How many games could a 120-128 GB store?


Well, a SSD is simply another data drive, so it's up to you what you chose to install on it. Keep in mind that if you want it for games, there's only a handful games where you really benefit from the speed (say Bf4 multiplayer on gamemodes like Rush when you just finished loading and both MComs are already being armed because the opposition loaded into the game faster as an extreme example).

As for how many games, depends on the game. I'd say your average big title goes for around fifteen to twenty gigabyte, so a 120'ish GB SSD will house around five to six games. Of course other games might take up more space (a full Bf4 with all DLCs will likely go for around forty to fifty gigabyte for example). But since I doubt anyone playes that many games simultaniously, it basically means you can install whetever game you currently play on your SSD. In fact if you only play around two, maybe three games simultaniously, you're better of getting a SSD of around sixty to ninety gigabyte capacity as that would be all you need.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 01:37

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Don't you have to be careful with SSDs though, since they're kind of new? PC parts are usually not my thing but using something that is very demanding on an SSD won't cause problems? I remember someone saying their SSD burned out because he used a very demanding game?

For instance I use my SSD to run my OS and other programs, and instead I use 1TB and 2TB drives for games, mainly because I tend to use a lot of mods with the games I play.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 01:44

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Don't you have to be careful with SSDs though, since they're kind of new? PC parts are usually not my thing but using something that is very demanding on an SSD won't cause problems? I remember someone saying their SSD burned out because he used a very demanding game?

"No" to everything.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 01:53

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Rubios wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Don't you have to be careful with SSDs though, since they're kind of new? PC parts are usually not my thing but using something that is very demanding on an SSD won't cause problems? I remember someone saying their SSD burned out because he used a very demanding game?

"No" to everything.


I figured as much, I still wanted to know, mainly because I didn't want my SSD to explode out of nowhere one day. 

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 02:20

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Rubios wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Don't you have to be careful with SSDs though, since they're kind of new? PC parts are usually not my thing but using something that is very demanding on an SSD won't cause problems? I remember someone saying their SSD burned out because he used a very demanding game?

"No" to everything.


I figured as much, I still wanted to know, mainly because I didn't want my SSD to explode out of nowhere one day. 

To be fair, each time you write something to an SSD it degrades (the drive itself comes with an estimated number of writes before failure) and that used to be a problem a couple of years ago and thus the whole SSDs are not reliable thing was born.

But with modern ones there's nothing to worry about, you'll replace them waaaay before it starts failing.

Modifié par Rubios, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:58 .

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 04:09

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Last question:

I was thinking about replacing the 1920x1200 monitor on my list to a 1920x1080 to cut the costs so the total cost can fall within $1600. Is that a good idea?

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 06:05

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128 GB hard drive? 30 GB will be consumed by windows eventually. 100MB remains and you can only install 5-15 new A & AA games on it... or plenty (20-100) of old and indie games on it.

Assuming you have no photos, programs, music or videos on your SSD drive.

@LoneWolf8588, I think a less wider monitor is better for video games, IMO. MY 16:9 monitor is perfect for watching movies & Series though.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 03:47

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Kaiser Arian wrote...

128 GB hard drive? 30 GB will be consumed by windows eventually. 100MB remains and you can only install 5-15 new A & AA games on it... or plenty (20-100) of old and indie games on it.

Assuming you have no photos, programs, music or videos on your SSD drive.

Why would you put music, videos or non-open world games on a SSD?

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Last question:

I was thinking about replacing the 1920x1200 monitor on my list to a 1920x1080 to cut the costs so the total cost can fall within $1600. Is that a good idea?

I hate the 16:9 aspect ratio, but that's just me.

If you are on a tight budget picking a cheap 16:9 one is a great option, just make sure it has a decent IPS panel (unless you are a super hardcore Quake 3 player, in that case pick a 120Hz TN).

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 06:08

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^ If you don't plan to have a HDD I mean. Or to explain why should they be on the drive, that's because changing CDs/DVDs to access your different stuff is pesky. So I convert/put them on the HDD.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 07:58

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The idea is having a relatively small SSD for the OS, programs and open-world games + a quiet storage 2/3TB HDD (or NAS).

Best of both worlds imo.

Modifié par Rubios, 09 décembre 2013 - 07:58 .

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 09:03

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Did I see someone's list with 32 GB of RAM and four 4TB hard drives...? Why? I don't even. What?

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 09:18

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Did I see someone's list with 32 GB of RAM and four 4TB hard drives...? Why? I don't even. What?


Well, some people have money to spend on the side.


If I had no concerns about budget, I'd build myself a PC for around 4000 bucks myself. Two GTX 780Tis, 32GB RAM, SSDs all over the place, watercooling a 144Hz gaming monitor and all that stuff.


Sadly I don't have that money.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 09:35

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I actually have the 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 2400mhz DDR3 kit. I couldn't find it on the site anymore so I just added the similar Trident X kit.

It was given by my friend who worked at a PC shop. He and his coworkers ordered a bunch of expensive stuff and built two GTX 780 Quad-SLI systems for "testing purposes."

When they quit the job, they simply told their bosses that those were their PCs and brought them home. So I just got some of their spare parts and the 32GB kit was one of them.

As for the 4TB Black HDDs, I'll RAID 1 them for storage.

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Posté 09 décembre 2013 - 11:47

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Is this a quality 1920:1080 monitor for under $200?

www.amazon.com/Asus-VS248H-P-24-Inch-Full-HD-Monitor/dp/B0058UUR6E

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Posté 10 décembre 2013 - 06:34

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Best monitor brands are Samsung and Sony (Japs do it better). Even looking at their laptops you can realize it how crap Dell and Asus are unlike the Japanese ones.

Now I think I really should have saved my money for a 200GB SSD instead of buying Logitech corded mouse M500 (it is good though):

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