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[Tokenusername]

TrES-2b wrote...

Sniper Shadow is more efficient at killing things and does it faster than SS'ing. SS is slow, you can kill 3 enemies with a BW by the time one SS lands.

SS should be used to relocate or to escape.

You can kill 3 Ravagers with the Black Widow in 3 seconds? Tell me more.

[Kislitsin]

Aedolon wrote...

I don't really disagree, but sometimes it may allow you to match your power recharge with your weapon's reload cycle, and it that case it can actually be worth it.

Agreed. Good example.

[LemurFromTheId]

Kislitsin wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

I don't really disagree, but sometimes it may allow you to match your power recharge with your weapon's reload cycle, and it that case it can actually be worth it.

Agreed. Good example.

A very good example.

To think that there are people who believe Claymore is too heavy for most casters...

[Chief Capo]

Tokenusername wrote...

TrES-2b wrote...

Sniper Shadow is more efficient at killing things and does it faster than SS'ing. SS is slow, you can kill 3 enemies with a BW by the time one SS lands.

SS should be used to relocate or to escape.

You can kill 3 Ravagers with the Black Widow in 3 seconds? Tell me more.

Sounds like something I should've said.

You took my line, chump.

[Kislitsin]

Aedolon wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

I don't really disagree, but sometimes it may allow you to match your power recharge with your weapon's reload cycle, and it that case it can actually be worth it.

Agreed. Good example.

A very good example.

To think that there are people who believe Claymore is too heavy for most casters...

A guy on my FL told me once, that Drell adept is supposed to spam his powers (as I reveal, he also believes in pull-reave combo), so hurrdurri + lolcolyte are better on him... I don't play with him anymore.

Claymore is an example of a somewhat ballanced by it's weight gun (don't forget, HVB glitch is inconsistent unless solo). One can't continue his power-spam with it (in comparison with wraith, talon, carrier, hurri), and some characters (like aformentioned HVA, TSent is another example)  have to sacrifice a lot (cyclonics/adrenaline or fitness tree or neural shock on overload) to use it. But HVA with claymore is an extremely satisfying kit to use: singularity - bang - rc bang - hide reload in shockwave - bang - rc with warp. Summ of three bangs and two powerful biosploshions per 8 seconds is indeed impressive.

To stay OT, I specced my shadow for damage cloak and use her (rarely though) with choked and bladed Raider (ap ammo): close in with SS, unleash the wrath of supreme overloard - done.

[Chief Capo]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Why does it have a sniper rifle bonus ?

Hmm... idk.... MAYBE, Just MAYBE, because its an infiltrator? Oh

LOL BECAUSE INFILTRATORS ONLY USE SNIPER RIFLES RIGHT.

Well, They were meant to, Before those mean ol' new****s showed up and bullied them into submission.. heh

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Chief Capo wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Why does it have a sniper rifle bonus ?

Hmm... idk.... MAYBE, Just MAYBE, because its an infiltrator? Oh

LOL BECAUSE INFILTRATORS ONLY USE SNIPER RIFLES RIGHT.

Well, They were meant to, Before those mean ol' new****s showed up and bullied them into submission.. heh

Developer intentions almost never translate to the playerbase.

also, I have it on good standing that the Claymore was a popular choice for Human Infiltrators shortly after the game was released, so the "new****s" have nothing to do with it.

[Sket]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Why does it have a sniper rifle bonus ?

Hmm... idk.... MAYBE, Just MAYBE, because its an infiltrator? Oh

LOL BECAUSE INFILTRATORS ONLY USE SNIPER RIFLES RIGHT.

Well, They were meant to, Before those mean ol' new****s showed up and bullied them into submission.. heh

Developer intentions almost never translate to the playerbase.

also, I have it on good standing that the Claymore was a popular choice for Human Infiltrators shortly after the game was released, so the "new****s" have nothing to do with it.

Yeah, pretty much because SR's were underwhelming at the time.

[Kislitsin]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

also, I have it on good standing that the Claymore was a popular choice for Human Infiltrators shortly after the game was released, so the "new****s" have nothing to do with it.

I didn't play demo, but I believe that HI with claymore was built during demo days. Retained his incredible power throughout dlc's..

[LemurFromTheId]

Kislitsin wrote...

FatherOfPearl wrote...

also, I have it on good standing that the Claymore was a popular choice for Human Infiltrators shortly after the game was released, so the "new****s" have nothing to do with it.

I didn't play demo, but I believe that HI with claymore was built during demo days. Retained his incredible power throughout dlc's..

I can confirm that, Claymore was popular infiltrator weapon from pretty much day one (there were only five rare weapons). I only learnt to appreciate it much, much later though...

[masleslie]

Not sure if i'ts been mentioned but she can target enemies to shadow strike at greater distance & more accurately through a sniper rifle scope, which also helps stop them blocking as they are less likely to see you coming.

However I think the real reason is that they just hadn't thought of applying cloak bonuses to other weapons (or powers) at that point. It only started with TGI, then huntress & AIU.

[hong]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Well, as of now I'm using the Kishock Harpoon Gun on her.

Shadow Strike wasn't working for me. It either didn't work at all or it got me killed when I needed it most. Its not worth the points unless it has its Drain evo, at least in my opinion and its too much of a hassle making it work. So I skipped it entirely.

[Chealec]

Kislitsin wrote...

A guy on my FL told me once, that Drell adept is supposed to spam his powers (as I reveal, he also believes in pull-reave combo), so hurrdurri + lolcolyte are better on him... I don't play with him anymore.

That's the combo I use on him... and I use Acolyte > Pull > Reave to get rid of crap like lone Hunters and Rocket Troopers when it's not worth wasting a cluster bomb.

Am I doing it wrong?


OT: since the Shadow is one of the few infiltrators where it's actually worth taking the duration tree on TC it doesn't really matter that she has an SR bonus to me, I'll take the bonus power every time just for variety.

Here's my build - great on Gold level (especially vs Cerberus), not so much Platinum - but it's fun and different to the "normal" sniper infil playstyle - I'll leave that for my QFI.

[LemurFromTheId]

Chealec wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

A guy on my FL told me once, that Drell adept is supposed to spam his powers (as I reveal, he also believes in pull-reave combo), so hurrdurri + lolcolyte are better on him... I don't play with him anymore.

That's the combo I use on him... and I use Acolyte > Pull > Reave to get rid of crap like lone Hunters and Rocket Troopers when it's not worth wasting a cluster bomb.

Am I doing it wrong?

No, but insisting that's the right way is wrong. Drelldept doesn't care too much about cooldowns - Reave and a few Clusters followed by shooting can clear most spawns. Harrier, Claymore and Wraith are weapons I use most. Reave + Claymore is generally the fastest way to get rid of Hunters or Rocket Troopers or any other lone mooks, though it requires a decent aim.

[NuclearTech76]

Tokenusername wrote...

TrES-2b wrote...

Sniper Shadow is more efficient at killing things and does it faster than SS'ing. SS is slow, you can kill 3 enemies with a BW by the time one SS lands.

SS should be used to relocate or to escape.

You can kill 3 Ravagers with the Black Widow in 3 seconds? Tell me more.

Use SS on a single Ravager and there's a good chance you end up dead or have to burn an OPs kit.

Shadow is actually a pretty decent sniper class IMHO and may play better that way on higher levels.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

TrES-2b wrote...

Can you kill a Ravager with SS without getting pooped on with acid and killed? You have to pop sacks first and even then you will be standing in the goo after SS. 

Er... sorry, you do actually have that wrong.

You can do it, but DON'T pop the sacks first. That guarantees blowback in the form of swarmers.

It's safe to SS a Ravager before the sacks are popped, as long as it isn't targeting you. Ravagers don't get stunned the way mooks do, so if they are targetting you, they'll vomit on arrival. Your damage still applies, but so does theirs, and you won't usually survive.

If they're not targetting you, and no one has damaged their sacks, you can SS, and then do a dodge backwards or sideways, and follow up with Electric Slash for a tech burst, to kill the Ravager and surrounding swarmers released by Shadow Strike.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:02 .

[Supreme Leech]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Shadow is actually a pretty decent sniper class IMHO and may play better that way on higher levels.

That's exactly what I wanted to say, I fully agree with that. She's a badass sniper. Thank you very much.

[Nitrocuban]

tetsutsuru wrote...

What if her TC 6b was additional bonus melee damage though?

Nah, that would make too much sense. You know, cause artistic integrity and stuff.

[Sailears]

More importantly - why can't we put an omni-blade on a sniper rifle?

[Strict31]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

TrES-2b wrote...

Sniper Shadow is more efficient at killing things and does it faster than SS'ing. SS is slow, you can kill 3 enemies with a BW by the time one SS lands.

SS should be used to relocate or to escape.

You can kill 3 Ravagers with the Black Widow in 3 seconds? Tell me more.

Use SS on a single Ravager and there's a good chance you end up dead or have to burn an OPs kit.

Shadow is actually a pretty decent sniper class IMHO and may play better that way on higher levels.

I think that because she has a TC bonus to SR damage, she is a capable sniper. But as a sniper, there are other Infiltrators who do it better. Take the SI, for instance, who can debuff targets from Cloak and boost his damage output. Maybe Proxy and ED are considered crutch powers, but the Shadow has nothing to compare at the same range.

Or the GI, whose damage output is sick even if he's not using a Geth weapon like the Javelin.

Even the QMI ends up greatly benefiting from TAC Scan damage buffs.

I agree that she loses her melee utility on Platinum where you get boss after boss, because, while she can kill bosses, she's much more suited for mob units and mid-level units like Phantoms (granted, you still have a sizeable amount of Phantoms on Plat). But on Gold, she still shines as a melee honey, and I still think there are other sniper-based Infils who--on paper--have greater advantages with SRs on Plat.

I say "on paper" only because I do believe there are exceptional players (maybe you're one of them) who can make any character sing no matter the character's particular advantages or disadvantages.

Modifié par Strict31, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[DisturbedPsic0]

XFG-65 wrote...

She's a sniper rifle infiltrator, just like most other infiltrators. There's no reason not to take a sniper on this character. The sniper rifle bonus suits her perfectly, that's by far the most effective all round build for her, not melee. The krogan warlord is the only character in the game who truly specialises in melee. She's very well rounded, doesn't just specialise in melee, that's just a supplementary thing for her, yes she has great melee, but then again she also has tactical cloak and +25% sniper damage. For me, she has always been about weapon damage all the way. She's an infiltrator.

Eh, sniping without a stun (I'm a console scrub) or debuff just doesn't do it for me. The only reason I play her is to get up close and personal with her SS and melee, which for me means shotguns. If I want to play a sniper infiltrator I'll play the human or the Salarian or the Geth or even the Huntress over her.  She may be the only infiltrator I use bonus power on, because it actually provides a tactical advantage.

Modifié par DisturbedPsic0, 06 décembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[TheNightSlasher]

She may be a good sniper, but if you're gonna snipe then the SI, GI, HFI, QMI are much better because they all have debuffing powers. Shadow's trademark is SS and melee. If you don't melee with her and resort to sniping all the time, then you're missing out on her uniqueness. That's just my opinion.

[Miniditka77]

The character was created before any different bonuses in TC were ever introduced.  Also, maybe they figured people would be taking Bonus Power on the Shadow anyway.