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[Miniditka77]

XFG-65 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Shadow is actually a pretty decent sniper class IMHO and may play better that way on higher levels.

That's exactly what I wanted to say, I fully agree with that. She's a badass sniper. Thank you very much.

Any infiltrator with the sniper bonus is going to be good with sniper rifles.  I think the Shadow is the worst of all the Sniper-bonus Infiltrators with sniper rifles though.  If you're going to use a SR, just use a better sniper infiltrator.  If I'm playing the Shadow, I'm playing her as a melee-focused build.  I don't see a point otherwise.

[OrcWhisperer]

Curse you Biower! Why did you have to give us a game where there is MORE THAN ONE viable way to spec a kit!!!!!!!!

[Rotward]

Because if you're not taking the extra power evo, you're probably weapons spec.

[Strict31]

OrcWhisperer wrote...

Curse you Biower! Why did you have to give us a game where there is MORE THAN ONE viable way to spec a kit!!!!!!!!

You don't really believe that's what the counter-argument is about, do you? Play how you want. I do. You paid the money to play the game however you wish to play it.

I'm just saying I think there are more efficient SR-focused Infiltrators than the one who was focused on melee. I'm not saying you (or anyone) shouldn't play an SR Shadow. And I'm not even saying it's impossible to play it well.

[dragaaan]

i was thinking about respeccing her into a meele build without SS using a venom and bonus power on cloak.
charged shot + meele for singled targets
charged shot + es for groups and finish of with meeles

[OrcWhisperer]

Strict31 wrote...

OrcWhisperer wrote...

Curse you Biower! Why did you have to give us a game where there is MORE THAN ONE viable way to spec a kit!!!!!!!!

You don't really believe that's what the counter-argument is about, do you? Play how you want. I do. You paid the money to play the game however you wish to play it.

I'm just saying I think there are more efficient SR-focused Infiltrators than the one who was focused on melee. I'm not saying you (or anyone) shouldn't play an SR Shadow. And I'm not even saying it's impossible to play it well.

I personally always play her melee spec+shotgun, because - well - she is one of two classes with a sword, and I think that is a shame to waste.  I also think SS is a great ability because it forces the player to think critically about how/when to use it.  It requires skill to use or you end up dead.  I don't disagree that the GI/SI are better snipers, proxy mine is one of the best debuff/detonators in the game, right next to warp.

My comment above was a reaction to reading through the entire thread and understanding that both groups have valid points.  Why not give the Shadow a bonus to long range combat?  That only increases the versatility of the kit, allowing for more playstyles.  A shotgun bonus would force her into a more specialized role, and further cause her to be min/maxed.

[Strict31]

OrcWhisperer wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

OrcWhisperer wrote...

Curse you Biower! Why did you have to give us a game where there is MORE THAN ONE viable way to spec a kit!!!!!!!!

You don't really believe that's what the counter-argument is about, do you? Play how you want. I do. You paid the money to play the game however you wish to play it.

I'm just saying I think there are more efficient SR-focused Infiltrators than the one who was focused on melee. I'm not saying you (or anyone) shouldn't play an SR Shadow. And I'm not even saying it's impossible to play it well.

I personally always play her melee spec+shotgun, because - well - she is one of two classes with a sword, and I think that is a shame to waste.  I also think SS is a great ability because it forces the player to think critically about how/when to use it.  It requires skill to use or you end up dead.  I don't disagree that the GI/SI are better snipers, proxy mine is one of the best debuff/detonators in the game, right next to warp.

My comment above was a reaction to reading through the entire thread and understanding that both groups have valid points.  Why not give the Shadow a bonus to long range combat?  That only increases the versatility of the kit, allowing for more playstyles.  A shotgun bonus would force her into a more specialized role, and further cause her to be min/maxed.

I can dig it. I like the versatility in build options in this game, but personally, I'm always gonna go for bonus power with the Shady.

[Chief Capo]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Why does it have a sniper rifle bonus ?

Hmm... idk.... MAYBE, Just MAYBE, because its an infiltrator? Oh

LOL BECAUSE INFILTRATORS ONLY USE SNIPER RIFLES RIGHT.

Well, They were meant to, Before those mean ol' new****s showed up and bullied them into submission.. heh

Developer intentions almost never translate to the playerbase.

also, I have it on good standing that the Claymore was a popular choice for Human Infiltrators shortly after the game was released, so the "new****s" have nothing to do with it.

But the question is;
Is the Claymore on an infiltrator more popular than a sniper rifle on a infiltrator? In general, No. BSN'ers would say it is, But PUG wise, No. And PUGS outnumber BSN'ers.

[Tokenusername]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Developer intentions almost never translate to the playerbase.

If you look at things in a broad context you can usually see the signs.

[Kislitsin]

Chief Capo 

But the question is;
Is the Claymore on an infiltrator more popular than a sniper rifle on a infiltrator? In general, No. BSN'ers would say it is, But PUG wise, No. And PUGS outnumber BSN'ers.

Assuming that sexbot is by far the most popular infiltrator amongst randoms, one can say that shotguns are more popular on infiltrators in average.

[OrcWhisperer]

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo 

But the question is;
Is the Claymore on an infiltrator more popular than a sniper rifle on a infiltrator? In general, No. BSN'ers would say it is, But PUG wise, No. And PUGS outnumber BSN'ers.

Assuming that sexbot is by far the most popular infiltrator amongst randoms, one can say that shotguns are more popular on infiltrators in average.

Not the most popular by far, just most popular by a little, <1%.  AIU is 2.86%, N7 Shadow is 2.78%, Turian Ghost is 2.41%

I don't think that is enough data to support your claim.

Modifié par OrcWhisperer, 06 décembre 2013 - 08:57 .

[Kislitsin]

OrcWhisperer wrote...

Not the most popular by far, just most popular by a little, <1%.  AIU is 2.86%, N7 Shadow is 2.78%, Turian Ghost is 2.41%

I don't think that is enough data to support your claim.

I can't argue with raw numbers, but I think the data is a bit outdated. I hope I am wrong.

[Chief Capo]

Well I can't speak for PC gaming, but as far as console gaming goes, Shotguns aren't more popular than a Sniper on an Infiltrator .. lol

I do see AIU's played with shottys, tgi's played with either a harrier or sniper, and the rest played with snipers, especially salarians, drells, + asari huntress'... (Actually saw a very good Huntress using an indra X lol)

Modifié par Chief Capo, 06 décembre 2013 - 09:17 .

[Tokenusername]

My Human Infiltrator uses Claymore.

[-PenguinFetish-]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

She's a sniper rifle infiltrator, just like most other infiltrators. There's no reason not to take a sniper on this character. The sniper rifle bonus suits her perfectly, that's by far the most effective all round build for her, not melee. The krogan warlord is the only character in the game who truly specialises in melee. She's very well rounded, doesn't just specialise in melee, that's just a supplementary thing for her, yes she has great melee, but then again she also has tactical cloak and +25% sniper damage. For me, she has always been about weapon damage all the way. She's an infiltrator.

Kook. That is an opinion and to top it off it's your opinion. Stop projecting it as fact.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

She's an ok sniper but with the way her power, passive and fitness trees are, she's better off being a shotgun/melee build. There are better infils that can take advantage of sniping better. GI, SI, Huntress, Drell. My vanilla infils have different builds, my male is a shotgun/suppressor explosion build where as my female is a freezing/sniper build. That's just my two cents.

[Evil]

We already have 2 humans, a salarian, 2 quarians, a geth, and a drell that make vicious snipers, using the N7 shadow as a sniper is a waste of her unique melee and shadow strike ability's IMO.

She would have been buffed massively if bioware had replaced her version of cloak with the AIU's version in the last patch, but she's still a good kit, she just needs to have the player make good opportunistic use of her melee attacks on nearby mooks after SS'ing to improve her kill speed.

Decapitating two mooks with a single sword slash is amusing, I wonder if a triple kill is possible?

Synch-kill units are her bane though, so I imaging she sucks at playing platinum as a melee kit. This might be why argent is favouring the sniper build.

[Sailears]

Evil Mastered wrote...

We already have 2 humans, a salarian, 2 quarians, a geth, and a drell that make vicious snipers, using the N7 shadow as a sniper is a waste of her unique melee and shadow strike ability's IMO.

She would have been buffed massively if bioware had replaced her version of cloak with the AIU's version in the last patch, but she's still a good kit, she just needs to have the player make good opportunistic use of her melee attacks on nearby mooks after SS'ing to improve her kill speed.

Decapitating two mooks with a single sword slash is amusing, I wonder if a triple kill is possible?

Synch-kill units are her bane though, so I imaging she sucks at playing platinum as a melee kit. This might be why argent is favouring the sniper build.

Triple is very possible - I was lucky enough one time to land two brutes and a banshee (crowding a juggy), so it's great when it pays off. But as you said... need ot be opportunistic.

I would have loved the AIU or even the huntress' version of cloak for a cloak damage instead of bonus power build.

[MGW7]

I dislike bonus power builds, they feel too slow, I prefer to arrive and immediately start tearing through the enemies ranks with blade and buckshot

[Andr0idOS]

MGW7 wrote...

I dislike bonus power builds, they feel too slow, I prefer to arrive and immediately start tearing through the enemies ranks with blade and buckshot

But on the other hand, it's also fun to arrive cloaked and keep it, so you can sneak over to your next target and decapitate them with a HM, or simply use another SS, or run away if you made a poor SS decision. I personally feel that bonus power just "fits" with the Shadow, seeing as how she's a stealthy ninja assassin with a sword.

[MGW7]

Andr0idOS wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

I dislike bonus power builds, they feel too slow, I prefer to arrive and immediately start tearing through the enemies ranks with blade and buckshot

But on the other hand, it's also fun to arrive cloaked and keep it, so you can sneak over to your next target and decapitate them with a HM, or simply use another SS, or run away if you made a poor SS decision. I personally feel that bonus power just "fits" with the Shadow, seeing as how she's a stealthy ninja assassin with a sword.

There's nothing wrong with it, I just would rather spend 6 points on anything else

[Tokenusername]

Andr0idOS wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

I dislike bonus power builds, they feel too slow, I prefer to arrive and immediately start tearing through the enemies ranks with blade and buckshot

But on the other hand, it's also fun to arrive cloaked and keep it, so you can sneak over to your next target and decapitate them with a HM, or simply use another SS, or run away if you made a poor SS decision. I personally feel that bonus power just "fits" with the Shadow, seeing as how she's a stealthy ninja assassin with a sword.

Perfectly reasonable strategy, but the way TC works you're actually hurting your damage. Bonus power means you use most of the duration of cloak, which depending on your weapon (especially if you have omni-blade on DLC guns) will increase your cooldown.

[MGW7]

Tokenusername wrote...
Perfectly reasonable strategy, but the way TC works you're actually hurting your damage. Bonus power means you use most of the duration of cloak, which depending on your weapon (especially if you have omni-blade on DLC guns) will increase your cooldown.

This exactly, Why cloak kill twice in 15 seconds when I could do it once every 5 seconds,

[OrcWhisperer]

MGW7 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...
Perfectly reasonable strategy, but the way TC works you're actually hurting your damage. Bonus power means you use most of the duration of cloak, which depending on your weapon (especially if you have omni-blade on DLC guns) will increase your cooldown.

This exactly, Why cloak kill twice in 15 seconds when I could do it once every 5 seconds,

Because the game is not only about killing things as quickly as possible.

[Tokenusername]

OrcWhisperer wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...
Perfectly reasonable strategy, but the way TC works you're actually hurting your damage. Bonus power means you use most of the duration of cloak, which depending on your weapon (especially if you have omni-blade on DLC guns) will increase your cooldown.

This exactly, Why cloak kill twice in 15 seconds when I could do it once every 5 seconds,

Because the game is not only about killing things as quickly as possible.

It's also quite stylish.