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[Pearl (rip bioware)]

By that logic, your cooldown will always be longer than it would be if you hadn't cloaked at all.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

MGW7 wrote...

There is the deal, If you want to double SS you need a light loadout, And because the lighter weapons aren't as good as heavier weapons, the double ss technique is inherently going to be less powerful, and you aren't nessisarily getting more SS

Single SS build is still capable of delivering many shadow strikes (1 every 3 seconds), but is not limited by your choice of weapons, this allows you to deal far more damage than the dSS kit,

And in regards to bonus power and recharge, I am saying that based on the fact that tac cloak gets a longer recharge the more time you spend cloaked, the fact that your first ss doesn't break cloak means you are spending more time cloaked, this means when you break cloak later, the recharge will be longer than had you broken it then

"Double SS" isn't realy relevant, but even so, you don't need a light loadout to do it. You can SS and follow up with whatever you want, a bullet shot, a melee, whatever. Then you break cloak less than 3 seconds into a duration of 11.4, which leaves you with a short cooldown, and is actually highly effective, and outputs significant damage, if your build is correctly set up for it.

You can Shadow Strike just as often with bonus power and/or Duration cloak as you can without those evos.

Shadow Strike does not do less damage or become "less powerful" with a lighter loadout. Arguably, it is more effective that way, actually.

Tactical Cloaks' refresh time does not change with Bones Power or Duration cloak. You can SS just fine every three seconds, and still have a three second refresh.

I really encourage you to read the Tactical Cloak thread in the Resource Library.

[Evil]

If weapon weight is an issue for a SS user, try the wraith, if you're fortunate enough to have it.

It's reasonably lightweight, it can take an omni-blade without getting the weight increase, and it's accurate up to mid-range without a smart choke.

[Rotward]

MGW7 wrote...

Rotward wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

FatherOfPearl wrote...

But the cooldown will never exceed the listed length in the power menu.

But you also need to add in duration, if you spend 8 seconds cloaked, and have a 7 second cooldown, you can only complete one cycle every 15 seconds

If the CD didn't delay until after cloak ended, you would be able  to cloak 100% of the time. 

I know that
NOT THE POINT
the point is that bonus power greatly increases the time between attack cycles, which greatly impairs your damage output, and a free SS is nowhere near enough to compensate

The cloak cooldown is irrelevant as long as your power cd is less than cloak's. It is, so you are adding no additional time to the attack cycle. 

Modifié par Rotward, 07 décembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[MGW7]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

There is the deal, If you want to double SS you need a light loadout, And because the lighter weapons aren't as good as heavier weapons, the double ss technique is inherently going to be less powerful, and you aren't nessisarily getting more SS

Single SS build is still capable of delivering many shadow strikes (1 every 3 seconds), but is not limited by your choice of weapons, this allows you to deal far more damage than the dSS kit,

And in regards to bonus power and recharge, I am saying that based on the fact that tac cloak gets a longer recharge the more time you spend cloaked, the fact that your first ss doesn't break cloak means you are spending more time cloaked, this means when you break cloak later, the recharge will be longer than had you broken it then

"Double SS" isn't realy relevant, but even so, you don't need a light loadout to do it. You can SS and follow up with whatever you want, a bullet shot, a melee, whatever. Then you break cloak less than 3 seconds into a duration of 11.4, which leaves you with a short cooldown, and is actually highly effective, and outputs significant damage, if your build is correctly set up for it.

You can Shadow Strike just as often with bonus power and/or Duration cloak as you can without those evos.

Shadow Strike does not do less damage or become "less powerful" with a lighter loadout. Arguably, it is more effective that way, actually.

Tactical Cloaks' refresh time does not change with Bones Power or Duration cloak. You can SS just fine every three seconds, and still have a three second refresh.

I really encourage you to read the Tactical Cloak thread in the Resource Library.

Oh, I see what you are arguing now, you are correct in that regard, I thought you were talking about the two shadow strikes in one cloak build that I see from time to time, in the situation you refer to yes, you can get short cooldowns when using something that breaks cloak after your first shadow strike, even with heavy weapons, there is little difference if you break the cloak just after finishing your strike vs the strike breaking it

I was arguing that waiting out the first shadow strike cooldown to use it again within the same cloak was slow and wasteful, as it requires a light loadout and spends too long in cloak doing nothing, using bonus power for such activities is not very effective, as you get a long cooldown after the second strike because of how long you spent in cloak before it

I have played this game enough to know how the cloak works, you get a cooldown based on x% of the time you spend cloaked, but cannot get less than three seconds, duration cloak changes the amount of time you need to spend in cloak to get the same cooldown, bonus power only effects the cooldown based from the time your power would have broken cloak compared to when you actually break cloak.

I have never noticed a benefit on the shadow from taking bonus power if I'm just going to break cloak .5 seconds after the power itself would have, but the option to run away is appealing to some

[Argent Xero]

ArgentN7 wrote...

ok I'm going to try Rank 3 Shadow Strike. I took 4a in passives and skipped rank 6. I changed Rank 6 of fitness to Armor damage.

It's to deal with Phantoms and Dragoons much easier.

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

Modifié par ArgentN7, 07 décembre 2013 - 04:41 .

[hong]

ArgentN7 wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

ok I'm going to try Rank 3 Shadow Strike. I took 4a in passives and skipped rank 6. I changed Rank 6 of fitness to Armor damage.

It's to deal with Phantoms and Dragoons much easier.

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

:o:o

[Rotward]

ArgentN7 wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

ok I'm going to try Rank 3 Shadow Strike. I took 4a in passives and skipped rank 6. I changed Rank 6 of fitness to Armor damage.

It's to deal with Phantoms and Dragoons much easier.

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

I actually agree. If the power doesn't kill your target, you end up standing in a pile of enemies with your pants down. You either take SS all the way, or not at all. 

[Tokenusername]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

This post.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

ArgentN7 wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

ok I'm going to try Rank 3 Shadow Strike. I took 4a in passives and skipped rank 6. I changed Rank 6 of fitness to Armor damage.

It's to deal with Phantoms and Dragoons much easier.

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

Either max it or skip it, unless you're using a sniper build and use it to get the hell outta Dodge.

[Face of Darkness]

she's good for soloing, especially geth. The lack of debuff makes her less platinum viable but electric slash is still nice for eliminating crowds and she functions very well as more of a team player

SS looks more badass than it is, and is really only worth speccing into if you're looking to screw around on gold and usually lower. Electric Slash is so much better

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

MGW7 wrote...

Oh, I see what you are arguing now, you are correct in that regard, I thought you were talking about the two shadow strikes in one cloak build that I see from time to time, in the situation you refer to yes, you can get short cooldowns when using something that breaks cloak after your first shadow strike, even with heavy weapons, there is little difference if you break the cloak just after finishing your strike vs the strike breaking it

I was arguing that waiting out the first shadow strike cooldown to use it again within the same cloak was slow and wasteful, as it requires a light loadout and spends too long in cloak doing nothing, using bonus power for such activities is not very effective, as you get a long cooldown after the second strike because of how long you spent in cloak before it

I have played this game enough to know how the cloak works, you get a cooldown based on x% of the time you spend cloaked, but cannot get less than three seconds, duration cloak changes the amount of time you need to spend in cloak to get the same cooldown, bonus power only effects the cooldown based from the time your power would have broken cloak compared to when you actually break cloak.

I have never noticed a benefit on the shadow from taking bonus power if I'm just going to break cloak .5 seconds after the power itself would have, but the option to run away is appealing to some

As I leep telling you, you can still Shadow Strike faster with Bonus Power, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown to complete.

You said without Bonus Power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds - but you cannot. You can Shadow Strike with excellent reaction time about every 6 seconds, because you have to wait two seconds for the animation, plus target aquisition, plus 3 seconds for TC cooldown, which is about 6 seconds, if you have great reaction time.

With bonus power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown. If you have a light enough loadout, you can actually do it within 3 seconds of the completion of the second one, continuing the cycle of Shadow Strike every 3-6 seconds, at a pace that is considerably faster than if you don't have Bonus Power.

And there are plenty of reasons to break Cloak with a melee attack after Shadow Striking, not the least of which is that you can carry the damage bonus for a full 2.5 seconds of further attacks, including every hit of a light melee combo, or the full TC damage bonus to Heavy Melee followed by either another damage bonus Heavy Melee or a gunfire shot, none of which involves "running away."

You should really read the thread I keep recommending in the Resource Library to understand how Bonus Power works.

[IceTrey1987]

XFG-65 wrote...

She's a sniper rifle infiltrator, just like most other infiltrators. There's no reason not to take a sniper on this character. The sniper rifle bonus suits her perfectly, that's by far the most effective all round build for her, not melee. The krogan warlord is the only character in the game who truly specialises in melee. She's very well rounded, doesn't just specialise in melee, that's just a supplementary thing for her, yes she has great melee, but then again she also has tactical cloak and +25% sniper damage. For me, she has always been about weapon damage all the way. She's an infiltrator.

Krogan Warlord only character that specializes in melee?

The Kroguard, Krogan Sentinel, Geth Juggernaut, Brawler, Paladin and Cerberguard say hi.

And as for using the Shadow as a sniper, sure, you can.  But why would you, when there are other incredibly better sniper infiltrators like the Salarian and Drell Assassin?  Their supplemental powers are much more useful when using sniper rifles.

I think personally she should've gotten an SMG damage boost as an alternative to bonus power, if anything.  So people could tear things up with the Hurricane if they wanted.

[MGW7]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As I leep telling you, you can still Shadow Strike faster with Bonus Power, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown to complete.

You said without Bonus Power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds - but you cannot. You can Shadow Strike with excellent reaction time about every 6 seconds, because you have to wait two seconds for the animation, plus target aquisition, plus 3 seconds for TC cooldown, which is about 6 seconds, if you have great reaction time.

With bonus power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown. If you have a light enough loadout, you can actually do it within 3 seconds of the completion of the second one, continuing the cycle of Shadow Strike every 3-6 seconds, at a pace that is considerably faster than if you don't have Bonus Power.

You should really read the thread I keep recommending in the Resource Library to understand how Bonus Power works.

If you use tac cloak you at some point have to wait for it's cooldown, that cannot be negotiated, and whether it is 3 seconds after every slash, or 6 seconds every other, it is still there

I read this is this what you wanted me to read

It told me nothing I don't already know, and I don't see how you can SS any faster, and sure, I didn't take into account travel time, But I cannot see how you would possibly do it faster by delaying the cooldown, even if the cooldown is the same,

[Argent Xero]

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

[Caineghis2500]

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

So much life in your attitude towards this game. Most of us veterans have lost it....
Edit* I find it hard to find that spark again... Oh well time to move on I guess. I wish you the best in your build adventures

Modifié par caineghis2500, 07 décembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

MGW7 wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As I leep telling you, you can still Shadow Strike faster with Bonus Power, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown to complete.

You said without Bonus Power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds - but you cannot. You can Shadow Strike with excellent reaction time about every 6 seconds, because you have to wait two seconds for the animation, plus target aquisition, plus 3 seconds for TC cooldown, which is about 6 seconds, if you have great reaction time.

With bonus power, you can Shadow Strike every 3 seconds, because you don't have to wait for Tactical Cloak's cooldown. If you have a light enough loadout, you can actually do it within 3 seconds of the completion of the second one, continuing the cycle of Shadow Strike every 3-6 seconds, at a pace that is considerably faster than if you don't have Bonus Power.

You should really read the thread I keep recommending in the Resource Library to understand how Bonus Power works.

If you use tac cloak you at some point have to wait for it's cooldown, that cannot be negotiated, and whether it is 3 seconds after every slash, or 6 seconds every other, it is still there

I read this is this what you wanted me to read

It told me nothing I don't already know, and I don't see how you can SS any faster, and sure, I didn't take into account travel time, But I cannot see how you would possibly do it faster by delaying the cooldown, even if the cooldown is the same,

You don't see how not having a TC cooldown for every second Shadow Strike is faster than having one for every Shadow Strike?

You don't see how actually reading that thread and testing it for yourself would make a huge difference in your understanding the mechanics?

Then fine, but stop telling other people how the powers work, since you are woefully misinforming them.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 07 décembre 2013 - 05:20 .

[David Diablo]

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

Yeah, you were really rocking that Shadow sniper build today. Wish I was that good with the kishock. 

[Caineghis2500]

David Diablo wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

Yeah, you were really rocking that Shadow sniper build today. Wish I was that good with the kishock. 

Practice makes perfect

[David Diablo]

caineghis2500 wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

Yeah, you were really rocking that Shadow sniper build today. Wish I was that good with the kishock. 

Practice makes perfect

Yeah, but it's never a substitute for talent... 

[Tyrant112580]

caineghis2500 wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

So much life in your attitude towards this game. Most of us veterans have lost it....
Edit* I find it hard to find that spark again... Oh well time to move on I guess. I wish you the best in your build adventures

Agreed. I think all or most of us that have been here since the begining feel that way cain. it's refreshing to someone with that spark again kinda reminds us of how we once were I think. 

[megabeast37215]

Tokenusername wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

Shadow Strike is not worth putting 3 points in. lol

This post.

OMG he blew his jaw off!!!! Gasp!!!

Way to miss the vitals Biower...

[Evil]

ArgentN7 wrote...

on host Kishock + Acolyte is beautiful.

I love the kishock, despite the fact it's outperformed by the javelin and black widow and I only host 1% of the time.

There's something satisfying about the crunch it makes when it hits the enemies.

I'm currently messing about with it on the SaboTurian BTW, the FQI was good, but required the use of a claw grip on the xbox controller to charge shots up and cast sabotage simultaneously, *not* very comfortable.

What I don't get is why partner it to an acolyte?  The kishock already ignores shield gate, and it's a good ammo applicator in it's own right, so what do you use the acolyte for?

Not that I don't dig the acolyte too, it's the reason I always have less pistol amps than almost everything else.

Regarding Shadow strike, it kinda requires either 6 points to be an effective killing power, or the bonus power in cloak to be effective as a form of quick travel, preferably both.

Less than that can leave you with no cloak and an injured enemy right in front of you looking for payback. Not good.

[Argent Xero]

The Javelin and Black Widow only out perform the Kishock as a weapon. The Kishock is a casters Sniper rifle, it's lightweight, does great damage, reloads quickly and ignores auto assist. It also doesn't suffer a hipfire penalty.

Acolyte is for Phantoms. I shoot them once, charge my next shot then use Electric Slash, but I release the second shot during it's animation. This is how I use the Kishock too.

I love Electric Slash because I have the ability to maneuver it in any direction during its animation or cancel it of I have to.

Modifié par ArgentN7, 07 décembre 2013 - 11:48 .