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[Andrew_S]

There was an old Catalyst that lived in a shoe
He made me pick from green, red, and blue
The galaxy was screwed, Normandy too
But Shepard couldn't help it, it was what he had to do

I...I don't know.

[crimzontearz]

No it isn't you dummy

for once we agree

[CronoDragoon]

Yeah, no. Fan fiction is by definition not the same as original fiction created by the licensed author. All you did was try to claim X = Y by manipulating the definition of both variables to suit your argument. If your interpretation is just as valid why not go demand EA implement it? Because they own it and can do what they want, that's why. The story is theirs.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 06 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[AlanC9]

Guys, if liggy thinks this is a way to work out his deep pain over no Harbinger in ME3, maybe we should just let him be.

[in it for the lolz]

CynicalShep wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

liggy002, we all know what this thread needs more of. A certain character perhaps........

Spiderman?

No. It needs more Deadpool!
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[Rotward]

This thread makes me facepalm so hard. You might as well call non-fiction, fan fiction for reality.

Modifié par Rotward, 07 décembre 2013 - 03:08 .

[CynicalShep]

General TSAR wrote...

All fiction is fictional, but some are more fictional than others.

^

[JonathonPR]

crimzontearz wrote...

You are an example of how the internet can be a toxic place filled with foolish and simple people. As arguments go I give yours a D-. Failiue to comprehend proposed ergument, and tendency to project personalised interpretation. You might just have low reading comprehantion and a missunderstanding of common vocabulary. If you are trolling you have earned a F--.

and you are an example of utter lack of understanding of the basic principle upon which a TT RPG works in spite if your boasted experience. If I, the DM/ST, tell you that your character is DEAD no matter how much headcanoning you do you are going to have to roll another one comes next session. Of course you CAN keep writing fiction in which he is alive and someone else died BUT that means nothing to our sessions. There is a HUGE difference between what Bioware did with the ME3 ending and the in between campaigns leeway a ST/DM gives the players to decide the fate of their characters.

Also, if you wish to play the "intellectually mightier than thou" at least use correct spelling and learn what analogies abs hyperboles are for

A GM we used to run with tried that. We (the players) mutanied and took over the game. You have forgotten the two most importans facts of traditional role playing games. First they are games. That means that the participants should be able to enjoy them. There are a large number of roleplaying games with different systems and settings to meet the many different desires of gamers. Gary Gygax himself said that the rules are just a suggestion. Second it is group storytelling. Bioware and every other crpg company has the limitation of only having a few paths that they have to fix in the game. They are choose your own adventure books with higher production values.

Do you never revisit campaigns with alterd outcomes, new and old pcs and npcs? You must be bad a keeping track of continuity if you can only do one at a time. ( I am never runing a simultanius cross multiverse campaign where events on one reality effect the others.) It sounds like you lost a character you liked or in a way that you feel was unfair.

Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes with the intent of it being perminant. Then the Queen of England told him to bring Sherlock back. George Lucas made the Star Wars prequels without the same level of critique and imput from others as went into the originals.
My argument remains unblemeshed by your lack of comprehention. Intellegence is the understanding of knowldge. Wisdom is the understanding of experience. You are obsessed with the gate and have not traveled far from the gate. If Bioware applied the same system as you propose for your games than Mass Effect would only have one save slot and it would auto like fable with perma death like Fire Emblem.




http://www.feartheboot.com/ftb/

[Hazegurl]

I don't think there is anything wrong with input but I do believe that it should be up to the writer to determine what input they like vs what they don't like. The last thing you want is a writer who feels forced to write something just to please everyone else. Once the enjoyment is gone from the writer for the subject then it isn't worth continuing anyway.

Besides, I think Liggy's point is that if you hate the endings so bad then create your own game with a similar storyline then add an ending you want. Nothing wrong with that and actually many authors have sprung up this way. It's not even fan fiction unless you actually use the Mass effect verse and characters. There is nothing wrong with creating your own sci-fi story with Cthulhu monsters threatening the galaxy and a leading man/woman that has to stop them.

[crimzontearz]

A GM we used to run with tried that. We (the players) mutanied and took over the game. You have forgotten the two most importans facts of traditional role playing games. First they are games. That means that the participants should be able to enjoy them. There are a large number of roleplaying games with different systems and settings to meet the many different desires of gamers. Gary Gygax himself said that the rules are just a suggestion. Second it is group storytelling. Bioware and every other crpg company has the limitation of only having a few paths that they have to fix in the game. They are choose your own adventure books with higher production values.

Do you never revisit campaigns with alterd outcomes, new and old pcs and npcs? You must be bad a keeping track of continuity if you can only do one at a time. ( I am never runing a simultanius cross multiverse campaign where events on one reality effect the others.) It sounds like you lost a character you liked or in a way that you feel was unfair.

Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes with the intent of it being perminant. Then the Queen of England told him to bring Sherlock back. George Lucas made the Star Wars prequels without the same level of critique and imput from others as went into the originals.
My argument remains unblemeshed by your lack of comprehention. Intellegence is the understanding of knowldge. Wisdom is the understanding of experience. You are obsessed with the gate and have not traveled far from the gate. If Bioware applied the same system as you propose for your games than Mass Effect would only have one save slot and it would auto like fable with perma death like Fire Emblem.

you obviously never played those suicidal ravenloft campaigns or the VTM endgame chronicles.

Not the point, you have basically validated my point. See the ONE difference I was talking about with Bioware and the ME3 ending compared with the between chronicles sendoffs is that your DM/ST will ACKNOWLEDGE those sendoffs and they will be canon for your chronicle. Players can rebel to a DM and take over but Bioware DOES NOT CARE about our desires for, say Shepard's survival nor we can rebel to them and take over. They ARE a dictatorial story teller who will impose his will on the group of players but there is NO RECOURSE. So de facto your logic does not apply here.

PS. I ran several multichronicles in the NWOD sometimes across time periods. And yes my word, especially in matters of systems is LAW, plot wise and in other aspect I am more mellow.

PPS LEARN TO ****ING SPELL or shorten your prose.

[Zan51]

What makes the work on the ME Universe not fan fiction is that it is indeed unique, and as it has been published professionally. Bioware/EA now own the Copyright for it. You cannot Copyright Fan Fiction because the original idea was not yours.

If the OP wants to take the no new ideas route, there are said to only be 7 original story ides, all others are derivations of it. However, what makes a written form of an idea/story unique, is the writer's unique perspective on it.
It all really hinges on the Copyright. You can read about it here http://io9.com/59339...d-fan-art-legal and here http://www.techdirt....al-primer.shtml if you really want to argue the topic from any position of genuine knowledge.  

Modifié par Zan51, 07 décembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[liggy002]

crimzontearz wrote...

Right, my grandmother died, no need to despair, I can headcanon her to be alive....it's called delusion.

Headcanon is just one step removed from from delusion

  You're comparing a real life scenario to a work of fiction.  This is akin to comparing apples to oranges.  By creating a new story, this can be remedied but there is no way to stop your grandma from passing. Also, reality is a matter of perspective.  You create your own reality.  As an example, your grandma passed away and there is nothing you can do about that to bring her back.  However, suppose your grandmother never truly passed away and is in fact very much alive in a better place.  There are two different realities based on perspective.  In one, your grandma passed and is gone forever.  In another, she still lives on in the after life.

[Rotward]

liggy002 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Right, my grandmother died, no need to despair, I can headcanon her to be alive....it's called delusion.

Headcanon is just one step removed from from delusion

You're comparing a real life scenario to a work of fiction.  This is akin to comparing apples to oranges.  By creating a new story, this can be remedied but there is no way to stop your grandma from passing. Also, reality is a matter of perspective.  You create your own reality.  As an example, your grandma passed away and there is nothing you can do about that to bring her back.  However, suppose your grandmother never truly passed away and is in fact very much alive in a better place.  There are two different realities based on perspective.  In one, your grandma passed and is gone forever.  In another, she still lives on in the after life.

You should have stopped at, "This is akin to comparing apples to oranges." The difference is that, with fiction, none of it's real. crimzon's obviously drawing a bad comparison, but damn dude, you're making him look good. 

Modifié par Rotward, 07 décembre 2013 - 03:09 .

[liggy002]

Zan51 wrote...

What makes the work on the ME Universe not fan fiction is that it is indeed unique, and as it has been published professionally. Bioware/EA now own the Copyright for it. You cannot Copyright Fan Fiction because the original idea was not yours.

If the OP wants to take the no new ideas route, there are said to only be 7 original story ides, all others are derivations of it. However, what makes a written form of an idea/story unique, is the writer's unique perspective on it.
It all really hinges on the Copyright. You can read about it here http://io9.com/59339...d-fan-art-legal and here http://www.techdirt....al-primer.shtml if you really want to argue the topic from any position of genuine knowledge.  

It is fan fiction because like it or not, their story was inspired by and based off of science fiction ideas and concepts that previously existed.  They are fans of the science fiction genre and wrote the story based on ideas created by others.  Therefore, it is in point of fact fan fiction.  Maybe a lot of people like the ME3 story.  That's their business though I cannot fathom why they would like that mess.

Also, the copyright exists to protect the creators not as a stamp that says my work is more valid than yours.

Modifié par liggy002, 07 décembre 2013 - 03:16 .

[liggy002]

Rotward wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Right, my grandmother died, no need to despair, I can headcanon her to be alive....it's called delusion.

Headcanon is just one step removed from from delusion

You're comparing a real life scenario to a work of fiction.  This is akin to comparing apples to oranges.  By creating a new story, this can be remedied but there is no way to stop your grandma from passing. Also, reality is a matter of perspective.  You create your own reality.  As an example, your grandma passed away and there is nothing you can do about that to bring her back.  However, suppose your grandmother never truly passed away and is in fact very much alive in a better place.  There are two different realities based on perspective.  In one, your grandma passed and is gone forever.  In another, she still lives on in the after life.

You should have stopped at, "This is akin to comparing apples to oranges." The difference is that, with fiction, none of it's real. crimzon's obviously drawing a bad comparison, but damn dude, you're making him look good. 

No, you just obviously cannot comprehend what I am saying.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Not true OP.

Much fiction is indeed original fiction.

[Hazegurl]

liggy002 wrote...

Zan51 wrote...

What makes the work on the ME Universe not fan fiction is that it is indeed unique, and as it has been published professionally. Bioware/EA now own the Copyright for it. You cannot Copyright Fan Fiction because the original idea was not yours.

If the OP wants to take the no new ideas route, there are said to only be 7 original story ides, all others are derivations of it. However, what makes a written form of an idea/story unique, is the writer's unique perspective on it.
It all really hinges on the Copyright. You can read about it here http://io9.com/59339...d-fan-art-legal and here http://www.techdirt....al-primer.shtml if you really want to argue the topic from any position of genuine knowledge.  

It is fan fiction because like it or not, their story was inspired by and based off of science fiction ideas and concepts that previously existed.  They are fans of the science fiction genre and wrote the story based on ideas created by others.  Therefore, it is in point of fact fan fiction.  Maybe a lot of people like the ME3 story.  That's their business though I cannot fathom why they would like that mess.

Also, the copyright exists to protect the creators not as a stamp that says my work is more valid than yours.

Not really. Fan fiction is when you use characters and worlds that are specific to someone elses.

Mass Effect may have been inspired by other works and anyone can indeed see the inspiration, tropes et al. But it is not fan fiction. If Mass Effect was about a commander named James T Kirk and the Normandy was the Enterprise, and Garrus was Spock. Then it would be a fan fiction based on Star Trek. 

Ex: Just look at 50 Shades of Gray. It's Twilight fan fiction. But a few name changes et al and it's an original piece of fiction. 

Ex: Look at Elysium and tell me the Citadel didn't inspire that. But is it fan fiction? No.

[dreamgazer]

liggy002 wrote...

No, you just obviously cannot comprehend what I am saying.

Here's how I'm comprehending what you're saying: there's nothing new under the sun and nobody can claim ownership to those ideas, essentially making them free-to-use fiction that can be adapted, adjusted, and bypassed as the reader/audience sees fit. Which, to be frank, is bullshit that ignores the parameters created by authorial intent and setting construction. 

Interpretation is fine and dandy, as is fan-fiction.  So long as it's kept in perspective in reference to the original work. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 décembre 2013 - 04:11 .

[AlanC9]

Anyone else have absolutely no idea what liggy's trying to prove here?

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else have absolutely no idea what liggy's trying to prove here?

*cough*

dreamgazer wrote...

I really don't understand what actual point you're getting at, OP. 

[KaiserShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

Anyone else have absolutely no idea what liggy's trying to prove here?

There is a tier of opinion so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am liggy.