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[Jaaay]

 I just want to know how far I can get

[MagicalMaster]

16-18 is typical if you play solo. If you bring a henchmen then expect 14-16 most likely.

[simuseb]

I was level 17. I'm not sure if I was under leveled, or if my Rogue/Fighter build was just atrocious, but I really started to struggle at the end. I had to reload so many times, hoping I would get lucky. The final boss though... jesus christ. Honestly with my character I think it would have been impossible. In the end I... cheated... >.>

[Pstemarie]

I used henchmen and ended the game at level 18. I felt under-leveled as well and had to cheat to beat the final boss. My character was a Ranger 10 / Rogue 8.

[MagicalMaster]

How curious.  I've always found Morag extremely easy on any character.  I don't suppose you happen to recall what equipment you were using?  For example, if you're not using Boots of Hardiness +3 (or Boots of Haste if you don't have another Haste source) and not using a Natural Armor Amulet +5 then that final battle is going to be far, far harder as you're lacking a lot of AC.  I suspect using severely gimping gear is the main source of your problems assuming your character was built even remotely reasonable.

[simuseb]

Well it's been so long since I played it. The more I look back on it in retrospective, the more I start to wonder if, perhaps, I didn't just simply suck at the game? That would make sense considering I honestly had no idea how the game mechanics worked xD. I mean, I knew some basics such as dice rolls etc, but for the most part I just drank whatever potion seemed good, without actually really knowing, and putting on equipment that seemed good. I remember I would always make armour my priority, so I would never wear boots of haste over one that gave me natural armour. 

[MrZork]

90%-95% of the OC can be completed without having a character that is even vaguely optimized in terms of build, having the best gear, or playing all that well. Most of the SP campaigns I have played don't require those either, but the OC seems particularly forgiving.

 

[My first run through was with an elf wizard who took Combat Casting (which is nearly worthless), both Rapid feats (which don't work together, and on a toon who wasn't really a ranged specialist), who spent skill points poorly, and who actually didn't hit level 17 until actually killing Morag because she had a henchman through most of the run and spent plenty of XP crafting wands.]

 

But, that other 5-10% of the OC has a few encounters that can be difficult for the far-less-than-optimal toon. Morag is one of them, even though that encounter has a few bugs that help the PC. It seems like one of those encounters where the PC is expected to die and reload a couple times before figuring out Morag's defenses and coming up with a strategy to take her down. As with anything else, once you figure out how to do it, it doesn't seem nearly so tough.

 

Anyway, I have played the OC several times and I think I usually got the toon to level 17 or 18 at the end, usually doing all of the side quests and assuming no cheating in the Beggar's Nest, etc.

[Naeryna]

I finished OC once with premade character (which was monk level 17). I played with henchmen.

 

MrZork, what do you mean by no cheating in Beggar Nest? Cheating with console or there's one loophole where players can gain more experience?

[WhiZard]

I finished OC once with premade character (which was monk level 17). I played with henchmen.

 

MrZork, what do you mean by no cheating in Beggar Nest? Cheating with console or there's one loophole where players can gain more experience?

 

Fiery loophole involving corpses.  Not infinitely exploitable, but definitely rakes in a lot of XP.  If you are looking for an infinite exploit try a snow globe massacre.

[MrZork]

Naeryna, as WhiZard notes, there are places in the OC where it's possible to kill one or more opponents more-or-less indefinitely. It's an exploit (I shouldn't have called it cheating) because the game designers pretty clearly didn't intend the PC to take down those opponents over and over.

 

WhiZard, there are actually two that come to mind in the Beggar's nest, and on the same map. I think you are referring to the one where Gulnan is stationed. I was referring to the one at the sarcophagus which, as far as I know, is potentially infinite (aside from diminishing XP returns and possibly consumables).

[Empyre65]

There is also that obelisk in a forest that spawns a pair of skeletons if you guess the puzzle wrong. You can guess wrong on purpose over and over until you level up, after which, there is the already-mentioned diminishing returns.

[MrZork]

That's one in Chapter 2. And, unless I am misremembering, there is also an opportunity for infinite XP in Castle Jhareg, Also, there is one in the Chapter 2 Interlude in Luskan. I don't recall one in Helm's Hold or Chapter 4, but basically most of the OC has some opportunity for XP farming. Honestly, each of those exploits can be fun to discover, but quickly lose value unless the PC is really lagging in XP.

[Cursed Eclipse]

18 ...my paladin (14) -rogue (4)

[Pstemarie]

How curious.  I've always found Morag extremely easy on any character.  I don't suppose you happen to recall what equipment you were using?  For example, if you're not using Boots of Hardiness +3 (or Boots of Haste if you don't have another Haste source) and not using a Natural Armor Amulet +5 then that final battle is going to be far, far harder as you're lacking a lot of AC.  I suspect using severely gimping gear is the main source of your problems assuming your character was built even remotely reasonable.

 

By cheating I meant that I had to set turn the game difficulty down from Hardcore mode. I don't recall the equipment I had, but I was lightly armored (because I prefer stealthy rangers). I also had this knack for getting the worst random magical items as loot.

[MagicalMaster]

Well, I'm pretty sure you could buy Shadow Legion Armor (Leather +4), Natural Armor +5, Ring of Deflection (or Cloak of Fortification) +5, and Boots of Hardiness +3 at a minimum (or Boots of Haste).  A lot of people underestimate just how important AC is.

[Laamaa]

I was level 17, had no trouble finishing the game (Although I did get slowed a lot in the game, which was just planely annoying >__> ). Also, let's not talk about the amount of times my henchmen died.

[HipMaestro]

If you do every sidequest and solo combat without hench or other summons (I usually drag a hench into the battle with Dester; no XP is given there), you should reach level 18 just before the final battle with Morag (or thereabouts).  This is with no XP farming of course.

 

There is a way to reach Level 20 without exploits but it requires an uncharacteristic build that takes advantage of all the class-specific rewards, alignment & gender-biased rewards and maximizes the ECL tally.  There is also an advantage (XP-wise) in postponing all the quest type rewards until all the combat opportunities have been exhausted in each module.

 

Basically, it's 18, though, if you solo, and that's pretty typical for all the OC games I've played.  Figure around 10% less XP for each additional summon/hireling for combat rewards which is probably one factor that you maxed out at 17.

[Nick The Noodle]

If you do every sidequest and solo combat without hench or other summons (I usually drag a hench into the battle with Dester; no XP is given there), you should reach level 18 just before the final battle with Morag (or thereabouts).  This is with no XP farming of course.

 

There is a way to reach Level 20 without exploits but it requires an uncharacteristic build that takes advantage of all the class-specific rewards, alignment & gender-biased rewards and maximizes the ECL tally.  There is also an advantage (XP-wise) in postponing all the quest type rewards until all the combat opportunities have been exhausted in each module.

 

Basically, it's 18, though, if you solo, and that's pretty typical for all the OC games I've played.  Figure around 10% less XP for each additional summon/hireling for combat rewards which is probably one factor that you maxed out at 17.

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Male good aligned Druid and arcane spell caster?

[HipMaestro]

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Male good aligned Druid and arcane spell caster?

 

Assuming you are referring to the exploits to reach 20...

 

Then... yes. Human, elf or gnome male, NG dru7/wiz6-7/clc6-7 (I like human dru7/wiz6/clc7 best myself) making sure to stagger levels between clc & wiz enough to avoid any XP penalty and taking advantage of the minor synergy between clc & dru, reaching dru7 before entering Luskan.  Sorc can be subbed for wiz but IMO an INT-focus works better especially when dealing with traps that abound in the OC and accesses higher level spells sooner. Bard has a terrible ECL so doesn't work.  IIRC there is one CHA-dependent XP opportunity with a boss wolf but the reward is minimal and you could buff up with eagle's and use the CHA-boost items to win that check (if you remember *lol*).

 

Major Spoiler follows:

 

Spoiler

The so-called "indestructible" high-CR golems in the creator race ruins can be killed twice...  once using divine damage (and traps, if you have them) and again using the scripted weakness route after visiting the past.  Same divine advantage goes for the siege golems in Ch 4... double XP killing high CR monsters. Lots of exploits exist so with experimentation, managing quest rewards and leaving no XP opportunity unaddressed, 190K is reachable by the end of the last battle vs. Morag without any XP farming.

[MrZork]

Hehe. Interesting catch on those golems, HipMaestro.

Spoiler

I knew that they could be hurt by special damage types (I had used negative and holy traps and assumed that a cleric or paladin could take them down with magical or divine damage), but hadn't thought to kill them twice for the XP.

 

[HipMaestro]

OT @ MrZork:  Thanks for showing me how to use the spoiler BB code.

[Nick The Noodle]

Assuming you are referring to the exploits to reach 20...

 

Then... yes. Human, elf or gnome male, NG dru7/wiz6-7/clc6-7 (I like human dru7/wiz6/clc7 best myself) making sure to stagger levels between clc & wiz enough to avoid any XP penalty and taking advantage of the minor synergy between clc & dru, reaching dru7 before entering Luskan.  Sorc can be subbed for wiz but IMO an INT-focus works better especially when dealing with traps that abound in the OC and accesses higher level spells sooner. Bard has a terrible ECL so doesn't work.  IIRC there is one CHA-dependent XP opportunity with a boss wolf but the reward is minimal and you could buff up with eagle's and use the CHA-boost items to win that check (if you remember *lol*).

 

Major Spoiler follows:

 

Spoiler

The so-called "indestructible" high-CR golems in the creator race ruins can be killed twice...  once using divine damage (and traps, if you have them) and again using the scripted weakness route after visiting the past.  Same divine advantage goes for the siege golems in Ch 4... double XP killing high CR monsters. Lots of exploits exist so with experimentation, managing quest rewards and leaving no XP opportunity unaddressed, 190K is reachable by the end of the last battle vs. Morag without any XP farming.

Peter and the Wolf iirc.

[RK-Element]

Normally i make a fighter when i start playing again but as a cleric anyone have good tips on what to be proficient in and what are the better spells to use lvling up.. my dire wolf right now i.m.o is the best as it tanks and the cleave is just nuts. I use Timo the rogue as my henchmen but should i use a more tougher henchmen? Share your thoughts and thanks for reading. Noob here so any info is appreciated.

[Akrabra]

Finished the OC a few days ago and i reached lvl 16 - 14 fighter 2 Weapon master. I used Tomi the whole game, and did most of the side quests. To be honest the lvling is way slow in the OC compared to Shadows of Undrentide. 

[MagicalMaster]

It's also the worst of the three official campaigns.  And there are many custom campaigns far better than the official ones (like Aielund, Hex Coda, Sanctum of the Archmage, Swordflight, A Dance With Rogues, Prophet, etc).