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[Medhia Nox]

I don't want to explore Tevinter in this game. I'd like to explore it in a game about Tevinter.

Slavery is considered black and white now - but in our past, it was not considered "evil". I try to look at Tevinter in that perspective.

People call "cruel" evil way too much.  It is an aspect of evil certainly - but calling a cruel act evil is not inherently correct.

Finding out that blood magic is actually "officially" illegal - also perked my interest. Openly, even Tevinter thinks blood magic is stupid (and I use stupid, and not evil, because I doubt they have moral issues with it)

What I would like to see - is a magical kratocracy that is far crueler to its mage class than the rest of Thedas. The reasoning is simple. The Tevinter Magisters don't admire magic - they admire magical excellence.

I think Tevinter Magisters should be forced through Harrowings where their colleagues sit and watch and hope for a humiliating failure. I think Tranquility should absolutely be used as the most vile insult to a Magister and his family. And the Templars should be personal enforces for each Magister house.

I also want to see the Magisters constantly "at war" with one another. Sabotaging their comrades work and vying for power over their fellows to prove who is the greatest of mages.

I'd also like to see them universally revile spirits/demons as usurpers to their greatness and no avenues of power. A Magister MUST be egotistic... and nobody who truly believes in their own greatness would share that with some alien entity.

What I do NOT want to see - is some Magetopia.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 décembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[KC_Prototype]

I would like to see Tevinter in DA:I but it looks like we will be only seeing Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra and the Free Marches judging by the loading screen.

[Ananka]

No you're not! I would have loved an entire game set in Tevinter. Imo, it's the most interesting part of Thedas.

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Sorry. I missunderstood your statement and thought you wanted to be an altus mage. I think I need some cold water on my face to wake up.

*helpfully hurls a bucket of ice water over Julian*

[Vulpe]

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Sorry. I missunderstood your statement and thought you wanted to be an altus mage. I think I need some cold water on my face to wake up.

*helpfully hurls a bucket of ice water over Julian*

Well, aren't you adorable. I'll just go ouside and throw  myself in the snow to make sure you didn't waste all that water for nothing.If you need me, I'll be ouside getting a pair of frostbites.

[Silfren]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I don't want to explore Tevinter in this game. I'd like to explore it in a game about Tevinter.

Slavery is considered black and white now - but in our past, it was not considered "evil". I try to look at Tevinter in that perspective.

People call "cruel" evil way too much.  It is an aspect of evil certainly - but calling a cruel act evil is not inherently correct.

Finding out that blood magic is actually "officially" illegal - also perked my interest. Openly, even Tevinter thinks blood magic is stupid (and I use stupid, and not evil, because I doubt they have moral issues with it)

What I would like to see - is a magical kratocracy that is far crueler to its mage class than the rest of Thedas. The reasoning is simple. The Tevinter Magisters don't admire magic - they admire magical excellence.

I think Tevinter Magisters should be forced through Harrowings where their colleagues sit and watch and hope for a humiliating failure. I think Tranquility should absolutely be used as the most vile insult to a Magister and his family. And the Templars should be personal enforces for each Magister house.

I also want to see the Magisters constantly "at war" with one another. Sabotaging their comrades work and vying for power over their fellows to prove who is the greatest of mages.

I'd also like to see them universally revile spirits/demons as usurpers to their greatness and no avenues of power. A Magister MUST be egotistic... and nobody who truly believes in their own greatness would share that with some alien entity.

What I do NOT want to see - is some Magetopia.

The thing about slavery in Thedas, though, is that the evilness of slavery in general isn't something we 21st century people are merely layering onto it in a way that is invalid due to the game's story setting--it is viewed as evil by and large by most of the peoples within the setting as well.  Even Orlais, in which servantry itself is really little more than slavery, recognizes it as such and legally condemns it.  That wouldn't happen if it were not larged perceived as wrong.  Outside of Tevinter, in fact, the entire religion of Andrastianism is rooted in condemnation of the institution.

The idea that it's somehow inappropriate for us to project our modern world views onto the institution never has made sense to me.  I don't think there ever actually has been a time in human history when at least one collective group of people did not view it as morally abhorrent, but even if that were true, I don't see why it is somehow invalid to judge the institution as morally wrong today simply because people of the past would have held to a different view. 

Beyond that, I don't think you need to worry about Tevinter as being a magetopia.  We already have been given a hint of what you want as far as the Imperium being crueler to its mages than any other group: Fenris's sister all but said as much.

The hints in WoT regarding the official word on blood magic is something I'd like to see further explored, too.  I do think there's at least a veneer of thought that holds the waste of life from excessive blood magic as sufficient to reject the practice. But I mostly want to see what Tevinteran Andrastianism looks like (not least because I want to see how the Imperial Chantry has interpreted Andraste's rejection of slavery).

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Sorry. I missunderstood your statement and thought you wanted to be an altus mage. I think I need some cold water on my face to wake up.

*helpfully hurls a bucket of ice water over Julian*

Well, aren't you adorable. I'll just go ouside and throw  myself in the snow to make sure you didn't waste all that water for nothing.If you need me, I'll be ouside getting a pair of frostbites.

Hey!  You SAID you wanted some cold water in your face!  Now you're complaining?

If you're wanting some frostbite, current temp in my neighborhood is -23.  Lots of frostbite to go around.  Frostbite for everyone!

Modifié par Silfren, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:35 .

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I don't want to explore Tevinter in this game. I'd like to explore it in a game about Tevinter.

Slavery is considered black and white now - but in our past, it was not considered "evil". I try to look at Tevinter in that perspective.

People call "cruel" evil way too much.  It is an aspect of evil certainly - but calling a cruel act evil is not inherently correct.

Finding out that blood magic is actually "officially" illegal - also perked my interest. Openly, even Tevinter thinks blood magic is stupid (and I use stupid, and not evil, because I doubt they have moral issues with it)

What I would like to see - is a magical kratocracy that is far crueler to its mage class than the rest of Thedas. The reasoning is simple. The Tevinter Magisters don't admire magic - they admire magical excellence.

I think Tevinter Magisters should be forced through Harrowings where their colleagues sit and watch and hope for a humiliating failure. I think Tranquility should absolutely be used as the most vile insult to a Magister and his family. And the Templars should be personal enforces for each Magister house.

I also want to see the Magisters constantly "at war" with one another. Sabotaging their comrades work and vying for power over their fellows to prove who is the greatest of mages.

I'd also like to see them universally revile spirits/demons as usurpers to their greatness and no avenues of power. A Magister MUST be egotistic... and nobody who truly believes in their own greatness would share that with some alien entity.

What I do NOT want to see - is some Magetopia.

That sounds very familiar to me.
Inquisitors and higher social classes in WH40K are something like this, no?

In any case, that seems like a resonable expectation.
As a society, they will probably be something like the Sith from SW:TOR.

Although personally, in a game such as this I would very much like to play a blood-mage fighting to free slaves.
It will be an insult to the dogma of both the Tavinter butchers, and both to the "light" (white?) Chantry.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Sorry. I missunderstood your statement and thought you wanted to be an altus mage. I think I need some cold water on my face to wake up.

*helpfully hurls a bucket of ice water over Julian*

Well, aren't you adorable. I'll just go ouside and throw  myself in the snow to make sure you didn't waste all that water for nothing.If you need me, I'll be ouside getting a pair of frostbites.

Hey!  You SAID you wanted some cold water in your face!  Now you're complaining?

If you're wanting some frostbite, current temp in my neighborhood is -23.  Lots of frostbite to go around.  Frostbite for everyone!

Damn girl. -23 Fahrenheit? Where do you live, the Himalayas? I thought you said you were a Southern gal<_<

[Hellion Rex]

TheRedVipress wrote...


Although personally, in a game such as this I would very much like to play a blood-mage fighting to free slaves.
It will be an insult to the dogma of both the Tavinter butchers, and both to the "light" (white?) Chantry.

That is a very interesting scenario I would like to explore as well.

[Vulpe]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Sorry. I missunderstood your statement and thought you wanted to be an altus mage. I think I need some cold water on my face to wake up.

*helpfully hurls a bucket of ice water over Julian*

Well, aren't you adorable. I'll just go ouside and throw  myself in the snow to make sure you didn't waste all that water for nothing.If you need me, I'll be ouside getting a pair of frostbites.

Hey!  You SAID you wanted some cold water in your face!  Now you're complaining?

If you're wanting some frostbite, current temp in my neighborhood is -23.  Lots of frostbite to go around.  Frostbite for everyone!

Damn girl. -23 Fahrenheit? Where do you live, the Himalayas? I thought you said you were a Southern gal<_<

Please tell me those are Celsius...even if it would't make a big difference, it would be a little better.

I think I died a little inside 

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...
Damn girl. -23 Fahrenheit? Where do you live, the Himalayas? I thought you said you were a Southern gal<_<

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

And in case you wanted to know, this, my friend, is what -23 feels like!  *dumps a bucket of snow and ice from her yard down the back of Eluvian's shirt*

Modifié par Silfren, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:56 .

[Hellion Rex]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Please tell me those are Celsius...even if it would't make a big difference, it would be a little better.

I think I died a little inside 

As far as I am aware, nowhere in the US is that cold at the moment. Heck, it was 70 degrees Fahrenheit here in Washington DC two days ago.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Modifié par eluvianix, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:53 .

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Please tell me those are Celsius...even if it would't make a big difference, it would be a little better.

I think I died a little inside [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

No, it's definitely Fahrenheit.  Had a vicious cold front move through here a week ago.  Thankfully, seems like it'll be over and done by Monday.

Modifié par Silfren, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

That's right, I didn't think about elevation, but still. That stinks. I freaking love the cold, and even I would have trouble with negative 23.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

That's right, I didn't think about elevation, but still. That stinks. I freaking love the cold, and even I would have trouble with negative 23.

The high today is supposed to be -3.  Funny thing is, the high on Monday is supposed to be 15.  It'll feel like the tropics after the week we've had.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

That's right, I didn't think about elevation, but still. That stinks. I freaking love the cold, and even I would have trouble with negative 23.

The Northeast got slammed with cold and snow from a Nor'easter recently, right?  Mom told me the other day that they had a precipitous drop in her corner of Tennessee from the 70s down to the 30s or so.  Said it's 15 degrees there, today.  Of course that was several hours ago.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

The Northeast got slammed with cold and snow from a Nor'easter recently, right?  Mom told me the other day that they had a precipitous drop in her corner of Tennessee from the 70s down to the 30s or so.  Said it's 15 degrees there, today.  Of course that was several hours ago.

That bout of snow and cold missed me in DC when I went home recently. I actually got on the last flight out before they cancelled all the other flights.
I'm from Louisville, KY, and my dad sent me pictures yesterday of the snow back at my house. Today, its about 25 or so back in my hometown. Although DC is supposed to get slammed with some snow and we should be down to the low 30s weather tomorrow.

Modifié par eluvianix, 07 décembre 2013 - 07:06 .

[Vulpe]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

That sounds like our winter, back in 2012. Houses were completely covered by snow. Entire villages under snow. Boiling water freezed before reaching the ground. Good times...

Hope things get better.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Northeast got slammed with cold and snow from a Nor'easter recently, right?  Mom told me the other day that they had a precipitous drop in her corner of Tennessee from the 70s down to the 30s or so.  Said it's 15 degrees there, today.  Of course that was several hours ago.

I'm from Louisville, KY, and my dad sent me pictures yesterday of the snow back at my house. Today, its about 25 or so. Although DC is supposed to get slammed with some snow and we should be down to the low 30s weather tomorrow.

Yeah, I just poked around and accuweather says DC is 43 right now.  But 70 is pretty unseasonable for DC in December, isn't it?

We can't complain too much, really, out here.  Up till a week ago it was mostly in the upper 40s, and occasionally even up into the 50s, which is about 30 degrees higher than typical for November and December here.  And not that much snow, either, though my city doesn't generally get that much snow compared to other places.  Drive half an hour in any direction, though, and that changes drastically.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

We can't complain too much, really, out here.  Up till a week ago it was mostly in the upper 40s, and occasionally even up into the 50s, which is about 30 degrees higher than typical for November and December here.  And not that much snow, either, though my city doesn't generally get that much snow compared to other places.  Drive half an hour in any direction, though, and that changes drastically.

Yeah, 70 degrees is very uncommon at this time of year. But I guess Mother Nature loves throwing curveballs every year I suppose.

[Silfren]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Born and raised in Tennessee.  Back in 2005, in a moment of insanity I can never take back, I decided to move to Montana.

Holy crap, its that bad in Montana? It was just 70 degrees here in DC on Wednesday.

Worse, in some places.  Go up a thousand feet in elevation and it's more like -40 below.

That sounds like our winter, back in 2012. Houses were completely covered by snow. Entire villages under snow. Boiling water freezed before reaching the ground. Good times...

Hope things get better.

Thanks.  The fun part about today is that we're having our Christmas stroll--which is just a community event where the shops are open all day and late into the evening, with art galleries and music and general festivities.  It's USUALLY cold, and icy, to boot, but this is the first year I've been to one where it was dangerously cold.  Thankfully the city officials had the sense to move most of the outdoor stuff inside.  And it'll be during the day, this year, rather than at night as in years past.

[Br3admax]

/hears about Christmas festivals and fun.
/has five exams to study for.
/cries self to sleep.

Modifié par Br3ad, 07 décembre 2013 - 07:13 .