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[Medhia Nox]

@Silfren: I wasn't saying that you shouldn't consider it evil - or that the rest of Thedas doesn't consider it evil.

What I'm saying is - that twirly mustache concept because they practice slavery is not technically accurate. Tevinter likely doesn't consider it's own act of slavery evil - therefore, you could have people living perfectly idyllic lives while also owning slaves.

They would likely have a: "Yes, but I take good care of my slaves!" mentality.

Not a: "Mwahahaa - I'm so very Eeeeevil!  Slavery for everyone!"

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Look at Harry Potter - those mages are disgusting for what they've done to the magical world.

Yes, not even Ron thinks the house elve's "slavery" is a big deal.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 08 décembre 2013 - 01:01 .

[Nohvarr]

I want to see Tevinter....on fire. I'd love to see the flames of Rebellion engulfing the land as the underclasses throw off the chains of their oppressors. I'd love to see the commoners and slavs saying no to the mage who rule them and no to the Qunari that want to conquer them. No longer will magic or the Qun determine ones place in society. Only your own skill and the will of the governed will guide their country.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Pretty sure the Qunari won't be taking no for an answer.

[RobRam10]

Glory for the Imperium!

[DRTJR]

RobRam10 wrote...

Glory for the Imperium!

More blood for the Blood Mage!

[Vit246]

DRTJR wrote...

RobRam10 wrote...

Glory for the Imperium!

More blood for the Blood Mage!

The Archon protects?

Modifié par Vit246, 08 décembre 2013 - 02:54 .

[Nohvarr]

For the greater good.

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Look at Harry Potter - those mages are disgusting for what they've done to the magical world.

Yes, not even Ron thinks the house elve's "slavery" is a big deal.

Not sure what you mean by your first line, but the second disturbed me greatly as well. (Ron in particular is not a surprise, he is practicaly the definition of a lazy conformist.)

Admitedly, I think that Rowling tried painting house-elves as a "fairy-type" that has to serve as part of its nature, even if she later managed to contradict that idea by presenting something like a picture of "house"-elf suit of armor in her website. (that implies that house-elves were warriors at some point, and maybe even that they were bound to their current state by wizards.)

[Uccio]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Let's be honest, that happens everywhere. It's just encouraged more in Tevinter.

And in Orlais it would seem, although not as nearly to a great extent as Tevinter. The Game appears to be pretty merciless.

I was under the impression that Antiva takes the cake on this.

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: The mages of the Harry Potter universe have enslaved or pushed to near extinction every fantasy creature.  Regardless of whether it was a convention to show "why" the Potterverse can co-exist with our own - her explination took the form of genocide, enslavement and control.

Goblins alone rebelled - which is why they hold the position they do in the Potterverse.

Centaurs, House Elves and Dragons are the three most notable that are subjected to the "Tevinter-like" mindset of the Potterverse.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 08 décembre 2013 - 06:20 .

[sandalisthemaker]

We will see them as enemy mooks.

[Nefla]

Nohvarr wrote...

I want to see Tevinter....on fire. I'd love to see the flames of Rebellion engulfing the land as the underclasses throw off the chains of their oppressors. I'd love to see the commoners and slavs saying no to the mage who rule them and no to the Qunari that want to conquer them. No longer will magic or the Qun determine ones place in society. Only your own skill and the will of the governed will guide their country.

Yes!

[Skorm777]

Nefla wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

I want to see Tevinter....on fire. I'd love to see the flames of Rebellion engulfing the land as the underclasses throw off the chains of their oppressors. I'd love to see the commoners and slavs saying no to the mage who rule them and no to the Qunari that want to conquer them. No longer will magic or the Qun determine ones place in society. Only your own skill and the will of the governed will guide their country.

Yes!

This is a reply to the message you quoted, as well as yourself. 

You're assuming every mage dominates the underclasses, is a slaver, or partakes in some other manical activity/profession. The reality is more likely to be a shade of grey. Just like how Ferelden has terrible people, such as Loghain abandoning an army due to racist supersition, or Arl Howe torturing innocents in his estates basement, Tevinter has good people. 

We know Bioware has high level writers that didn't design Thedas to be black and white, so we can assume Tevinter is no different. Hence my desire to create this topic in apprehension at a rather one sided potrayel of a fascinating nation. 

[Nohvarr]

I'm not assuming every mage is doing that, just that enough are committing those acts to justify a major social upheaval, one that would see those people (mages or otherwise) who would dominate with the methods mentioned caste down and something better arise in it's place.

[Medhia Nox]

@Skom777: That you paint any slave owner as a mustache twirling villain is not a sign of poor writing.

Any "middle class" or wealthy Roman would have owned a few slaves - and I guarantee that extraordinarily few Romans considered themselves evil because of it.

So, even IF Tevinter's Magisters all owned slaves - and even partake in backstabbing and blood magic. They won't consider themselves evil just because you do.

It would be a disservice to a nations supposed cultural mores for them to be modified to fit modern Earth's view of good and evil.

I find Tevinter repugnant - but were I to write Tevinter, and had decided it was a slave nation, I would have to put that aside to write it properly.

Edit: And as an aside to "But everyone else in Thedas thinks slavery is wrong."  Everyone who wasn't Roman thought becoming a slave was wrong too - even if their own culture had a form of slavery.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 09 décembre 2013 - 01:37 .

[MrMrPendragon]

I hope "we can go to Tevinter" doesn't mean "One forest/cave in Tevinter". It has to look unique, not just some area that you can label any name and it would still make sense.

While they're not specific, everything the codex says about Tevinter makes it sound like it's a really grand place, especially its capital.

I really want to explore both rural and urban areas of Tevinter, and Orlais

[Hazegurl]

I would love to see Tevinter if I can alter space-time with a Mass Effect crossover. I would give my Shepard over to control and have him throw a mass relay over the planet so he can personally order the full destruction and reaperization of every mage living there.

[Nefla]

I actually would love a game based entirely in Tevinter where you are an integral part in a slave uprising/ revolution.

[Skorm777]

That you paint any slave owner as a mustache
twirling villain is not a sign of poor writing.


Is there no room for a neutral slaver that has sensibilities,
but plies the slave trade for personal gain. My concern is not that slavers are
depicted as dark or corrupt, but that they're represented as inherently evil.

That is however besides the point I was trying to get at in
the original topic . I could care less how slavers are portrayed, just that I'd
like to see characters that represent different sides of Tevinter.  


Any "middle class" or wealthy Roman
would have owned a few slaves - and I guarantee that extraordinarily few Romans
considered themselves evil because of it. 

So,
even IF Tevinter's Magisters all owned slaves - and even partake in
backstabbing and blood magic. They won't consider themselves evil just because
you do. 

It
would be a disservice to a nations supposed cultural mores for them to be
modified to fit modern Earth's view of good and evil.


I never expected that they considered themselves evil, I
assumed players perceived them as evil.


I don't consider them evil just because they partake in
slavery or blood magic.


I find Tevinter repugnant - but were I to write
Tevinter, and had decided it was a slave nation, I would have to put that aside
to write it properly.


That's a harsh judgement for such a general statement. You
say you find Tevinter repugnant, yet you've only interacted with a handful of Tevinter citizens - most of whom partook in a vile business.

It seems to me that you let the slavery and blood magic idea
cloud your judgement. Romans were a slaving empire, and supported blood sport
venues; however looking into their history you find little evidence that these
environments entirely characterised the citizens, and just like one would
expect all sorts of different people developed.


I would enjoy seeing interaction in the next game that tested
your opinion. 

Modifié par Skorm777, 09 décembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[RobRam10]

Nefla wrote...

I actually would love a game based entirely in Tevinter where you are an integral part in a slave uprising/ revolution.

Eww no.