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[Karlone123]

Tevinter has survived a series of blights, qunari invasions, slave rebellions, exalted marches and more famously Andraste's rebellion. Tevinter has been at constant war with the Qunari for centuries, and out of all this Tevinter still stands. So my question is, if Tevinter was not at war with the Qunari, would they able to stand against another exalted march?

[whogotsalami]

Yes. It is still more powerful than Ferelden,Anderfels,Nevarra or Free Marches. Hard to say how would they matchup vs Orlais

[Heimdall]

The only nation that might be able to stand up to it on its own would probably be Orlais, though Nevarra might be able to as well, considering how much trouble they've been to Orlais.  If all the states of the Free Marches banded together, they might prove themselves formidable though.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 décembre 2013 - 04:43 .

[Hellion Rex]

Yes, if only by the virtue that they are still standing even though everyone has hammered at them for several millennia.

[TK514]

I suspect that, if not for the Qunari, the rest of Thedas would be in trouble.

[Vulpe]

 Tevinter is a dying empire, just like The Western Roman Empire. They are not the force they once were. While they could handle a war with another nation in Thedas if it was not for the Qunari, they would be defeated by an alliance of two or more.

They are hated and they are not trusted. They have no friends in Thedas. Their only hope is a Qunari Invasion.

Yes, I am serious. A full scale Qunari Invasion. Why ? If the Qunari threaten all of Thedas, all the nations would have to ally  to fight them. 

Tevinter, being the most experienced one in dealing with them, would be the tip of the spear. By uniting all the other nations under one flag to fight the invaders they would get the much needed trust and respect they currently don't have.

If the succed in eliminating the invading force AND lead the rest of Thedas in a counter attack against the Qunari, they might indeed regain their older reputation.

If not, they'll most likely end up defeated by the Qunari and then the other nations will unite so that they wouldn't get conquered just like the magocratic state did.


It all depends if the Qunari go in a full scale attack just with Tevinter or with multiple nations. If the first happens, it might be to late for it. If they get arrogant ( as we know Qunari are ) and attack Tevinter, Antiva and Rivain ( or at least two of them ) at the same time, then everything is good for Tevinter ( if the nations of Thedas eliminate the Qunari ).

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 07 décembre 2013 - 05:08 .

[KC_Prototype]

What makes the Tevinter so powerful that it can destroy Ferelden or Rivain?

[Vulpe]

KC_Prototype wrote...

What makes the Tevinter so powerful that it can destroy Ferelden or Rivain?

Mages riding giant scorpions is enough for you ?

[Medhia Nox]

I think against any single nation - Tevinter would be more powerful.

However, I think that the minute Tevinter tried to annex so much as a hamlet... an Exalted March would be called.

I do not think Tevinter is more powerful than "all" the southern nations united.

[General TSAR]

They needed three Exalted Marches with the Chantry to retake Seheron.

I doubt they can re-conquer the nations of the South.

Modifié par General TSAR, 07 décembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Karlone123]

General TSAR wrote...

They needed three Exalted Marches with the Chantry to retake Seheron.

I doubt they can re-conquer the nations of the South.

Good point there! Tevinter did not always stand alone against its enemies i.e Darkspawn and te Qunari.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think they are stronger than any other human nation except Orlais, but are also too weak to conquer any of them. There's reason beyond the Qunari they've been in decline for a thousand years.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:08 .

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I think they are stronger than any other human nation except Orlais, but are also too weak to conquer any of them. There's reason beyond the Qunari they've been in decline for a thousand years.

I still think they are stronger than Orlais, especially considering each Exalted March against the Imperium has backfired.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't think so. Orlais has been described as "the most powerful nation in Thedas." Being unable to conquer a nation doesn't make them stronger than you. Orlais once tried and failed to conquer the Ferelden valley in in the Black Age. And the Exalted Marches apparently came quite close to conquering Minrathous.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Juggernauts of Minrathous certainly means that Tevinter has a defensive advantage if their capital were ever attacked, but with the invention of the Templars, Tevinter has lost a lot of the advantages they used to have in an offensive.

[The Elder King]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Juggernauts of Minrathous certainly means that Tevinter has a defensive advantage if their capital were ever attacked, but with the invention of the Templars, Tevinter has lost a lot of the advantages they used to have in an offensive.

Considering that most mages in Tevinter likely use blood magic, I don't think they lost that much.

[Laughing_Man]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't think so. Orlais has been described as "the most powerful nation in Thedas." Being unable to conquer a nation doesn't make them stronger than you. Orlais once tried and failed to conquer the Ferelden valley in in the Black Age. And the Exalted Marches apparently came quite close to conquering Minrathous.

For the most powerful nation of Thedas, they certainly seem to fail alot.

They failed against the elves and lost their capital, needed to resort to calling an exalted march.

Despite the fact that they are supposed to be mortal enemies of Tavinter, they managed to do very little against them, achieving only partial victories and only after calling yet another march.

They failed at Ferelden, a country that is supposedly much weaker than they are.

And it looks like the Qunari are able to walk all over them as well, the only time they were pushed back so far happend as part of ANOTHER march.

Looks to me that their bark is worse than their bite.

[Laughing_Man]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"The Juggernauts of Minrathous"

What exactly are you talking about?

[Potato Cat]

hhh89 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Juggernauts of Minrathous certainly means that Tevinter has a defensive advantage if their capital were ever attacked, but with the invention of the Templars, Tevinter has lost a lot of the advantages they used to have in an offensive.

Considering that most mages in Tevinter likely use blood magic, I don't think they lost that much.

I think even for the Tevinters, blood magic's a mixed bag. They can't overdo it on themselves or they die. They can't use it on too many slaves because then you have no slaves. I distinctly remember reading somewhere if they lost the slave trade, Tevinter would fall very quickly.

[The Elder King]

TheRedVipress wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"The Juggernauts of Minrathous"

What exactly are you talking about?

Massive golems the dwarves gave to Tevinter.

[Hellion Rex]

TheRedVipress wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

"The Juggernauts of Minrathous"

What exactly are you talking about?

3 Enormous defensive golems given by dwarves.


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Modifié par eluvianix, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:33 .

[The Elder King]

Elfman wrote...



I think even for the Tevinters, blood magic's a mixed bag. They can't overdo it on themselves or they die. They can't use it on too many slaves because then you have no slaves. I distinctly remember reading somewhere if they lost the slave trade, Tevinter would fall very quickly.

I agree on that. Tevinter's existence is based on the slave system. Without it, they'd crumble.
But a mage doesn't need to use a lot of blood to be powerful. Duncan recalled a blood mage that slaughtered templars and lost because he was careless and didnt' notice the tempars at his back. Blood magic is kind of overpower lorewise.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 décembre 2013 - 06:35 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Elfman wrote...



I think even for the Tevinters, blood magic's a mixed bag. They can't overdo it on themselves or they die. They can't use it on too many slaves because then you have no slaves. I distinctly remember reading somewhere if they lost the slave trade, Tevinter would fall very quickly.

I agree on that. Tevinter's existence is based on the slave system. Without it, they'd crumble.
But a mage doesn't need to use a lot of blood to be powerful. Duncan recalled a blood mage that slaughtered templars and lost because he was careless and didnt' notice the tempars at his back. Blood magic is kind of overpower lorewise.

And don't forget about that one blood mage who attempted to become an "Ascended Man" either. I don't think that the ritual required that much blood either.

[Vulpe]

Elfman wrote...

I think even for the Tevinters, blood magic's a mixed bag. They can't overdo it on themselves or they die. They can't use it on too many slaves because then you have no slaves. I distinctly remember reading somewhere if they lost the slave trade, Tevinter would fall very quickly.

Add to that the money they might spend on mercenaries and the fate of The Western Roman Empire awaits them.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't think so. Orlais has been described as "the most powerful nation in Thedas." Being unable to conquer a nation doesn't make them stronger than you. Orlais once tried and failed to conquer the Ferelden valley in in the Black Age. And the Exalted Marches apparently came quite close to conquering Minrathous.

For the most powerful nation of Thedas, they certainly seem to fail alot.

They failed against the elves and lost their capital, needed to resort to calling an exalted march.

Despite the fact that they are supposed to be mortal enemies of Tavinter, they managed to do very little against them, achieving only partial victories and only after calling yet another march.

They failed at Ferelden, a country that is supposedly much weaker than they are.

And it looks like the Qunari are able to walk all over them as well, the only time they were pushed back so far happend as part of ANOTHER march.

Looks to me that their bark is worse than their bite.

The sack of Val Royeaux happened not longer after Orlais spent 90 years successfuly saving the world from the Second Blight. But it's also worth noting that The Exalted March on the Dales consisted only of Orlesian troops. No other nation sent soliders.

Being unable to conquer the second most powerful is not exactly a sign of weakness.

Orlais ruled Ferelden for over 70 years in the Blessed Age.

Also the Qunari crushed the northern nations but never actually were able to attack Orlais itself except in raids by sea near the later stages of the war. Orlesians would have been instrumental in pushing the Qunari back in the Exalted Marches though. Kirkwall was liberated by a Chevalier.