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[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Well, the Anderfels, the area that would later become Antiva, Rivain and most of the Free Marches didn't get conquered by the barbarians. So when Fenris says that only the southeren part of the Tevinter Imperium ever fell, it would seem he is correct.

Which is in effect correct but again take a glance at a map and you will realize the majority of their holdings were in fact in the South.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 18 décembre 2013 - 06:06 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I want to see the annexation of Ferelden by Orlais. It will be glorious...

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Considering two of the major Freemarcher cities were in effect Imperium Colonies...Along with the majority of Fereldan and Orlais and this is in my eye the most impressive. Portions of Lands through out the old dwarven kingdom including Kal-Sharok and Darmallion indicate that you have portions of Thedas that aren't even covered on the map that were once part of their domain.

But i will say this, Considering Neverra's placement directly below the Imperium i find it odd it wasn't among their conquests.

They would need to descend through it after all on their march south anyway, i find it likely it was amonst the Tveinter conquests.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Considering two of the major Freemarcher cities were in effect Imperium Colonies...Along with the majority of Fereldan and Orlais and this is in my eye the most impressive. Portions of Lands through out the old dwarven kingdom including Kal-Sharok and Darmallion indicate that you have portions of Thedas that aren't even covered on the map that were once part of their domain.

But i will say this, Considering Neverra's placement directly below the Imperium i find it odd it wasn't among their conquests.

They would need to descend through it after all on their march south anyway, i find it likely it was amonst the Tveinter conquests.

Nevarra was conquered by Tevinter, it just wasn't called Nevarra back then. Nevarra had not yet evovled to a full nation, and was just some backwater city back then- The Tevinter Imperium stretched from the northernmost parts of the Anderfels, to Osatagar in southeren Ferelden. The Korcari WIlds whic I presume is the section of unmapped land you are talking about, was never part of the Tevinter Imperium.

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Considering two of the major Freemarcher cities were in effect Imperium Colonies...Along with the majority of Fereldan and Orlais and this is in my eye the most impressive. Portions of Lands through out the old dwarven kingdom including Kal-Sharok and Darmallion indicate that you have portions of Thedas that aren't even covered on the map that were once part of their domain.

But i will say this, Considering Neverra's placement directly below the Imperium i find it odd it wasn't among their conquests.

They would need to descend through it after all on their march south anyway, i find it likely it was amonst the Tveinter conquests.

Nevarra was conquered by Tevinter, it just wasn't called Nevarra back then. Nevarra had not yet evovled to a full nation, and was just some backwater city back then- The Tevinter Imperium stretched from the northernmost parts of the Anderfels, to Osatagar in southeren Ferelden. The Korcari WIlds whic I presume is the section of unmapped land you are talking about, was never part of the Tevinter Imperium.

No the unmapped portions i mentioned where the Dwarven cities which the lands above they ruled and maintained trading outposts above like within Gawern.

To my knowledge both cities have never been placed upon the Thedas map, i have never seen a version where they were marked at the very least.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Considering two of the major Freemarcher cities were in effect Imperium Colonies...Along with the majority of Fereldan and Orlais and this is in my eye the most impressive. Portions of Lands through out the old dwarven kingdom including Kal-Sharok and Darmallion indicate that you have portions of Thedas that aren't even covered on the map that were once part of their domain.

But i will say this, Considering Neverra's placement directly below the Imperium i find it odd it wasn't among their conquests.

They would need to descend through it after all on their march south anyway, i find it likely it was amonst the Tveinter conquests.

Nevarra was conquered by Tevinter, it just wasn't called Nevarra back then. Nevarra had not yet evovled to a full nation, and was just some backwater city back then- The Tevinter Imperium stretched from the northernmost parts of the Anderfels, to Osatagar in southeren Ferelden. The Korcari WIlds whic I presume is the section of unmapped land you are talking about, was never part of the Tevinter Imperium.

No the unmapped portions i mentioned where the Dwarven cities which the lands above they ruled and maintained trading outposts above like within Gawern.

To my knowledge both cities have never been placed upon the Thedas map, i have never seen a version where they were marked at the very least.

This map shows the location of Gwaren. It is in southeastern part of Ferelden, but there are no records of it ever being part of the Tevinter Imperium. It was a Dwarven outpost, not a Tevinter.

[grumpymooselion]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Considering nearly all of Thedas from Orlais to the Imperium was once their backyard and now they are reduced to that little splotch of land.

I think they did lose just about EVERYTHING short of the Imperium it self.

I'm looking at the map now. The 'little splotch of land' they have now . . . isn't little. At all. They lost a lot, but not 99%.


http://i.imgur.com/Wg7Lp2B.jpg

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 18 décembre 2013 - 09:24 .

[jaza]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Considering nearly all of Thedas from Orlais to the Imperium was once their backyard and now they are reduced to that little splotch of land.

I think they did lose just about EVERYTHING short of the Imperium it self.

I'm looking at the map now. The 'little splotch of land' they have now . . . isn't little. At all. They lost a lot, but not 99%.


http://i.imgur.com/Wg7Lp2B.jpg

This, the Tevinter Imperium is still far from small.

Modifié par jaza, 18 décembre 2013 - 09:29 .

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anderfels, Rivain, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Seheron, Par Vollen (forgot to mention those before), Antiva and Tevinter together far outstrips Orlais and parts of Ferelden in territorial size.

Considering two of the major Freemarcher cities were in effect Imperium Colonies...Along with the majority of Fereldan and Orlais and this is in my eye the most impressive. Portions of Lands through out the old dwarven kingdom including Kal-Sharok and Darmallion indicate that you have portions of Thedas that aren't even covered on the map that were once part of their domain.

But i will say this, Considering Neverra's placement directly below the Imperium i find it odd it wasn't among their conquests.

They would need to descend through it after all on their march south anyway, i find it likely it was amonst the Tveinter conquests.

Nevarra was conquered by Tevinter, it just wasn't called Nevarra back then. Nevarra had not yet evovled to a full nation, and was just some backwater city back then- The Tevinter Imperium stretched from the northernmost parts of the Anderfels, to Osatagar in southeren Ferelden. The Korcari WIlds whic I presume is the section of unmapped land you are talking about, was never part of the Tevinter Imperium.

No the unmapped portions i mentioned where the Dwarven cities which the lands above they ruled and maintained trading outposts above like within Gawern.

To my knowledge both cities have never been placed upon the Thedas map, i have never seen a version where they were marked at the very least.

This map shows the location of Gwaren. It is in southeastern part of Ferelden, but there are no records of it ever being part of the Tevinter Imperium. It was a Dwarven outpost, not a Tevinter.

It was indeed and said Dwarves established a trading agreement with the local barbarian tribes before the first blight but again consider that at the same time you have the Imperium conquering the very land of Fereldan, If they pushed as far as the Korkori wilds from their initial landing at  Amerthine and were fighting in the very forest north of the settlement its just probable that it was a point of tveinter trade.

Considering that they had established trading relations with the dwarves at multiple cities about this time period it just makes sense that Gwaren was among them. Espeically considering the promixity to the Brecilian Forest which was a sight of activity for them for quite a long while.

But again this really doesn't address my point of them having relations with other Dwarven fortress cities that aren't featured on the map.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Those Dwarven cities are not featured on the maps because they were mostly underground, and have now fallen and been forgotten by the world. Tevinter most assuredly did not expand beyond the currently known borders of Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Those Dwarven cities are not featured on the maps because they were mostly underground, and have now fallen and been forgotten by the world. Tevinter most assuredly did not expand beyond the currently known borders of Thedas.

We will see if they are ever featured hrm? I personally am merely stating that where these cities were and when the imperium established contact with them is relatively unknown beyond conjecture.

And that said it wouldn't be overly surprisingly perhaps they launched their own expedition from the nape of the world and if so who knows what they uncovered. I mean apparently the Qunari stumbled on to Thedas prior first blight in an expedition, so whom is to say at the height of their power they didn't look beyond mainland thedas for territory while they could?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Imperium used to rule the Anderfels, Seheron (but not Par Vollen), Rivain, Antiva, Nevarra, Orlais, the Free Marches and much of Ferelden. The combined size of their holdings is maybe around 6 times the size of the Imperium today so they've lost maybe 80-85% of their territory.

Ferelden and what would later become Orlais and part of the Free Marches were liberated by Andraste's Exalted March. After Andraste's death, Hesserion and Maferath essentially divided rule of of the two halves of Thedas between themselves. But the barbarians seemed to be winning before Andraste was betrayed. The Valarian Fields were right outside Minrathous.

The rest of the Free Marches, Rivain and the then city state of Antiva rebelled against the Imperium in the century and a half that followed Hesserion's death. And the Imperium abandoned the Anderfels to the darkspawn as soon as the Second Blight began.

Thedas once meant all lands outside the Tevinter Imperium but it was eventually came to mean the continent after most of it became "Thedas". Because of that I doubt the Imperium ever controlled any lands beyond the continent, especially since they never controlled places like Par Vollen or the Kocari Wilds.

[Master Warder Z_]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Imperium used to rule the Anderfels, Seheron (but not Par Vollen), Rivain, Antiva, Nevarra, Orlais, the Free Marches and much of Ferelden. The combined size of their holdings is maybe around 6 times the size of the Imperium today so they've lost maybe 80-85% of their territory.

Ferelden and what would later become Orlais and part of the Free Marches were liberated by Andraste's Exalted March. After Andraste's death, Hesserion and Maferath essentially divided rule of of the two halves of Thedas between themselves. But the barbarians seemed to be winning before Andraste was betrayed. The Valarian Fields were right outside Minrathous.

The rest of the Free Marches, Rivain and the then city state of Antiva rebelled against the Imperium in the century and a half that followed Hesserion's death. And the Imperium abandoned the Anderfels to the darkspawn as soon as the Second Blight began.

Thedas once meant all lands outside the Tevinter Imperium but it was eventually came to mean the continent after most of it became "Thedas". Because of that I doubt the Imperium ever controlled any lands beyond the continent, especially since they never controlled places like Par Vollen or the Kocari Wilds.

They built a fortress on the edge of the wilds though, to ward off Barbarian Incursion.

Perhaps if the first blight hadn't be unleashed they would have been able to conqueror the entirity of it.

And Par Vollen is much the same considering it was surrounded all sides by a thedas controlled by the Imperium further more i find it implausible considering the length of the former deep roads networks that all led to cities within mainland Thedas.

And considering my prior point with them establishing contact and  trading agreements with the imperium at the same time, its likely the imperium had outposts above these cities to ferry goods and supplies back to the imperium, i just find it odd that the assumption would be they were all within the entirity of mapped thedas.

[Lazengan]

I'd like to think that everything we did so far is a joke compared to the Tevinter empire, which is actually the civilized center of the continent

kind of like how the matters of Gaul and Briton paled in comparison to the sheer size of the Roman Empire

[Master Warder Z_]

Lazengan wrote...

I'd like to think that everything we did so far is a joke compared to the Tevinter empire, which is actually the civilized center of the continent

kind of like how the matters of Gaul and Briton paled in comparison to the sheer size of the Roman Empire

it is sort of the largest empire in the history of Thedas.

So it would make sense for it to be insanely advanced compare to nations like Fereldan considering they have had the resources and time to improve upon such things that Nations that only came to be "civilized" and centrally ruled would "recently" have only just begin to develop.

Like note their ancient highway system that was in place before many of these nations were even named and is still in use by them. Who knows what wonders of the imperium DAI will shed light upon.

Theirs was an ammoral expansionist totalitarian Hegemonetic society but that doesn't change the fact they likely acheived alot.

[tybert7]

I hope Tevinter is magnificent. I always choose mage classes as my character archetype, and Tevinter is a MAGE city. I want to visit a land where the arcane is king, not metal sticks.

[myahele]

I'd love to see more artwork of Tevinter cities. I'd imagin them to be very magical. Just imagine the technology

[Urazz]

They are still one of the most powerful nations in Thedas right now but they are on the decline. Tevinter is strong enough that conquering it would be too costly to do but it's also not that powerful that they are able to invade other countries right now, especially since they are distracted with the Qunari right now.