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[Statichands]

 Ok, we've seen one Krogan and Turian female. That's about it from what I can remember. It's annoying. I want to see what the female drell would look like. The Citidel is a massive place. Am I supposed to beleive that there are no Turian, Drell or Turian females on it. Why does it feel like they're just avoiding them? It's like how I heard Pan from dragonball gt didn't turn super saiyan because Akira didn't know how to draw female super saiyans. 

[LisuPL]

Because they had not enough time to design those females, cash to pay for their modeling and room on discs at the time of ME1 developement.

And this pattern stayed, since a lot of stuff in ME1 is reused in ME2, even ME3.

We are luckly that we even got to see a female Krogan (in burka, sigh), let alone an actual female Turian in ME3.

Modifié par LisuPL, 07 décembre 2013 - 08:36 .

[SwobyJ]

What LisuPL said.

Turians - They're just ignored, which by ME3 became ridiculous (ME2 was barely understandable), so thank goodness they're kinda around Omega and Citadel DLCs.

Salarians - They're super rare so whatever. And now we see that they look very similar anyway.

Krogan - Yeah this got stupid, but the story argument was that they're mostly collected together on Tuchanka instead of scattered across the stars.
Expect a new female Krogan model in the next game as long as Krogans happen at all. The Eve/Bakara look was more shamanistic so they have to figure something else out. I don't see significant differences except maybe a kinda softer facial look.

Drell - Super rare. If we go to Kahje and Drell are still around, I'd think not seeing a female Drell would be as ridiculous as not seeing female Turians in ME2

Modifié par SwobyJ, 07 décembre 2013 - 09:15 .

[BioWareAre****s]

There are a lot of asari though...throwing in a lot of female-other-races could throw the gender balance off. I don't doubt that there are still more males across the trilogy than females/mono-gendered aliens, but it could count for something.

[David7204]

SwobyJ wrote...

What LisuPL said.

Turians - They're just ignored, which by ME3 became ridiculous (ME2 was barely understandable), so thank goodness they're kinda around Omega and Citadel DLCs.

I hope you're honest enough to call pretty much all other science fiction 'ridiculous' as well. Or can you name me other popular series that show diverse aliens of both genders? Not just humans with forehead ridges?

[SwobyJ]

David7204 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

What LisuPL said.

Turians - They're just ignored, which by ME3 became ridiculous (ME2 was barely understandable), so thank goodness they're kinda around Omega and Citadel DLCs.

I hope you're honest enough to call pretty much all other science fiction 'ridiculous' as well. Or can you name me other popular series that show diverse aliens of both genders? Not just humans with forehead ridges?

I'm not even talking about visual diversity. I actually don't really care about visual diversity in the end. I'm talking about any female turians being shown in the game's forefront at all in ME1 and ME2 and ME3 (before Omega).

[SwobyJ]

FluffyCannibal wrote...

There are a lot of asari though...throwing in a lot of female-other-races could throw the gender balance off. I don't doubt that there are still more males across the trilogy than females/mono-gendered aliens, but it could count for something.

Yeah the asari are pretty much there for that.

With more species being introduced over time, and existing ones being developed more (like Turians now), imo the asari become less required to fill in the 'female quota' (unoffically, obviously) for the aliens.

[LisuPL]

Pretty much sure now, that next Mass Effect will feature female turians on normal basis, maybe even female krogan.

Other races, except Asari, seem to have 2 genders aswell, so females of their kind should show at least as a standard NPC.

[SwobyJ]

LisuPL wrote...

Pretty much sure now, that next Mass Effect will feature female turians on normal basis, maybe even female krogan.

Other races, except Asari, seem to have 2 genders aswell, so females of their kind should show at least as a standard NPC.

I can almost guarantee female krogan.

Unless they pull a surprise on us, there are technically no genders for asari (or rather, they are monogendered). The only difference is who plays the role in giving birth (assuming that it is a 2-asari pairing).

[Secretlyapotato]

Because the Mass Effect team is sexist and didn't care to design female aliens who didn't look basicly like female humans until the third game where they just gave krogan and salarians the same model. (and then finally gave a female turian design in a DLC)

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 07 décembre 2013 - 10:33 .

[SwobyJ]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Because the Mass Effect team is sexist and didn't care to design female aliens who didn't look basicly like female humans until the third game where they just gave krogan and salarians the same model. (and then finally gave a female turian design in a DLC)

They thought they knew their audience is all.

Until they clued in "Damn, a LOT of women spread the word about our games."

[Statichands]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Because the Mass Effect team is sexist and didn't care to design female aliens who didn't look basicly like female humans until the third game where they just gave krogan and salarians the same model. (and then finally gave a female turian design in a DLC)

I just really want to see what a female drell would look like. Kolyat and Thane are so cool and I like the way they carry them selves. 

[ShadyKat]

Because they weren't deemed important.
Which is garbage, and hopefully this problem is fixed in the next game.

[JMTolan]

If you really think the ME devs are intentionally being sexist, I can't laugh at you hard enough.

That said, the logic is pretty typical of of the industry standard reasoning, which is still colored by a norm of sexism. ME1 didn't have many females because budget was tight and they couldn't afford the extra models. The creative team worked with this and gave most of the races a lore reason for not having females everywhere--specifically Krogans and Salarians (And arguably Asari too, I suppose, if you count not having a second gender as a creative choice made to save budget), and to a lesser extent others.

The lore, in turn, informed Mass Effect 2 and 3. The only thing they can really legitimately be blamed for is putting off female Turians for so long, something I'm pretty sure they're more or less aware of. I expect they'll probably make some motions towards helping address this in the next game, if their current trend holds.

Also, second the interest on female drell. But really, I'd just be interested to get a closer look at most drell. The glimpse we have into their culture and lifestyle is pretty small.

-Tolan

[Statichands]

JMTolan wrote...

If you really think the ME devs are intentionally being sexist, I can't laugh at you hard enough.

That said, the logic is pretty typical of of the industry standard reasoning, which is still colored by a norm of sexism. ME1 didn't have many females because budget was tight and they couldn't afford the extra models. The creative team worked with this and gave most of the races a lore reason for not having females everywhere--specifically Krogans and Salarians (And arguably Asari too, I suppose, if you count not having a second gender as a creative choice made to save budget), and to a lesser extent others.

The lore, in turn, informed Mass Effect 2 and 3. The only thing they can really legitimately be blamed for is putting off female Turians for so long, something I'm pretty sure they're more or less aware of. I expect they'll probably make some motions towards helping address this in the next game, if their current trend holds.

Also, second the interest on female drell. But really, I'd just be interested to get a closer look at most drell. The glimpse we have into their culture and lifestyle is pretty small.

-Tolan

Yea calling them sexist would be stupid. Cmon, they made a race full of females and everyone loves the Asari. I've learned that Salarian females are rare and the Krogans treat their females like  safes full of gold. I still don't get why they hide the Drell and Turian females. I didn't take into acccount budgets and models and all that. Hopefully it will be improved in the next game.

[LisuPL]

Nyreen was a "beta" test for a female Turian to appear in the series on the screen.

Since general reception of Nyreen's both looks and character was good, my tabs are on female Turians appearing in the next game on a general basis like male Turians so far.

Modifié par LisuPL, 08 décembre 2013 - 02:02 .

[ShadyKat]

LisuPL wrote...

Nyreen was a "beta" test for a female Turian to appear in the series on the screen.

Since general reception of Nyreen's both looks and character was good, my tabs are on female Turians appearing in the next game on a general basis like male Turians so far.

Well to be fair, they should be. The lore said they are as numerous in the military as males.

[insan3Spectre]

I think it worked out well, at least for the Krogan. By the time you saw Eve in ME3 the fact that females of the species were so rare made it even more of a noteworthy moment.

[Derpy]

Isn't it obvious? It is because they are so dang sexy, the players eyes would melt from the pure sexiness. That is why you don't see Tali's face. People would go blind if they didn't use a stockpicture. 

[insan3Spectre]

I don't think I would call it "sexy" but I did really like female Titian design.

[insan3Spectre]

turian*

[Reorte]

JMTolan wrote...

The lore, in turn, informed Mass Effect 2 and 3. The only thing they can really legitimately be blamed for is putting off female Turians for so long, something I'm pretty sure they're more or less aware of. I expect they'll probably make some motions towards helping address this in the next game, if their current trend holds.

To be fair they introduced male quarians pretty quickly (remember Tali was the only quarian we saw in ME1, and there are few enough of them that that wasn't unreasonable), as soon as we had a situation where we might expect to see more quarians. Mind you it's an easier design job.

[Jon The Wizard]

I want to say that EA had a hand in it, not being EA but just in setting a hard deadline and the Turian Female model being one of the things that had to get pushed back as a time-saving measure, but who knows. Maybe they just weren't satisfied with the results and had to go back to the drawing board a few times. I remember hearing something similar in Borderlands 2 when they couldn't get Ellie's jowls right they revised it about five times.

[Thesandman87]

could be a social reason as well for some cultures, from what we've seen the men act like human men, so its possible in some of the race's, there society is more traditional, i could easily see this for the Drell for instance, and in turn the Women may live only on there home world, to raise the young and only leaving with there husbands.

[Derpy]

Thesandman87 wrote...

could be a social reason as well for some cultures, from what we've seen the men act like human men, so its possible in some of the race's, there society is more traditional, i could easily see this for the Drell for instance, and in turn the Women may live only on there home world, to raise the young and only leaving with there husbands.

Im telling you. Most of the races hide their women from Shepard. I mean just look at all the females he's subdued in a few years.