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[HighMoon]

It seems to me that most people here either love the witcher series and hate the dragon age series or love DA and hate the witcher. Am I the only one that enjoys both (and is excited for both Dragon Age: Inquisition and The Witcher 3)? :/

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Golden-Rose wrote...

It seems to me that most people here either love the witcher series and hate the dragon age series or love DA and hate the witcher. Am I the only one that enjoys both (and is excited for both Dragon Age: Inquisition and The Witcher 3)? :/

Hey, I enjoy them both too. They both scratch different itches when it comes to fantasy RPGs.

I just hope Inquisition and TW3 release dates are sufficiently far enough apart that I can have time to devour them both. :S

[Kalas747]

Golden-Rose wrote...

It seems to me that most people here either love the witcher series and hate the dragon age series or love DA and hate the witcher. Am I the only one that enjoys both (and is excited for both Dragon Age: Inquisition and The Witcher 3)? :/

I enjoyed them both.  Not the dragon age series, but dragon age 1 was amazing. 

Also, I don't believe that every single rpg has to have a physical character customization.  I'm glad they don't.  Those character creators take hours and I'm always restarting.  Saves me the hassle.

[Jestina]

bobobo878 wrote...
Hm, maybe one of these days I'll force myself to finish TW1

I tried, but could only tolerate it for a few minutes. Bad VA, awful combat system, lack of being able to create your character, etc. 

[Liamv2]

I like both sorta. I still hold that they both have hideous combat and that the witcher has a user interface even worse than dark souls.

Modifié par Liamv2, 11 décembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[Kalas747]

simfamSP wrote...

I love both, I can enjoy a vast array of games really. I dislike this elitism some people display with their gaming. To me, as long as it's designed well and/or is well written I can enjoy it.

As for Dragon Age, there have only been two games, so it's hardly a "series" yet. I think the Witcher surpasses it with design and writing, but let's see how DA:I does. There is no excuse for rushing this time, they've had years and I'm glad of it. Because there was once a time where the name BioWare meant "yeah, this is gonna be awesome." xD

Best possible answer.  I'll go with this one.

[Maverick827]

Why do people compare Dragon Age and The Witcher? It's no more apt than comparing Dragon Age with Assassin's Creed or Dragon Age with Far Cry 3.

I don't think it even makes sense to compare Dragon Age to Skyrim; even though both allow you to create your own character, the party just makes that much of a difference.

Honestly, BioWare are the only AAA developers in their genre right now.

[Addai]

Maverick827 wrote...

Honestly, BioWare are the only AAA developers in their genre right now.

??  That's odd.

I think some comparisons between Dragon Age and Witcher are fair.  Both are third-person, dark medieval fantasy action RPGs with an emphasis on cinematics.  To me the voiced PC puts Bioware games into the pre-defined PC category, though obviously others disagree.

And I do enjoy both, at least Dragon Age Origins and TW1 and 2.  DA2 is a lazy cash-in and doesn't deserve comparison.  Thus far I'm far more excited for TW3 than DAI, from what I've heard of both of them.  DAI just doesn't register a pulse. I'll be happy to be pleasantly surprised.

[Maverick827]

Addai67 wrote...

??  That's odd.

Can you name another modern, AAA RPG that allows you to create your own character, engage in dialog, and command a party of characterized followers?

Both are third-person, dark medieval fantasy action RPGs with an emphasis on cinematics.  To me the voiced PC puts Bioware games into the pre-defined PC category, though obviously others disagree.

This isn't really a "some say potato" thing.  It's just unequivocally not a predefined character.

DA2 is a lazy cash-in and doesn't deserve comparison.

By that token, TW is just cheap fan service, both pornographically as well as grimdark grisly manly dark grim badass grim darkly.

[Luxorek]

I think my opinion is more opinion than your opinion.

[Heimdall]

Maverick827 wrote...
Can you name another modern, AAA RPG that allows you to create your own character, engage in dialog, and command a party of characterized followers?

I was going to bring up Fallout games and the Elder Scrolls until you got to the last part... and then realized their dialog has always been pretty shallow anyway.  The follower characters suffer from similar depth issues.

Both are third-person, dark medieval fantasy action RPGs with an emphasis on cinematics.  To me the voiced PC puts Bioware games into the pre-defined PC category, though obviously others disagree.

This isn't really a "some say potato" thing.  It's just unequivocally not a predefined character.

For me, its really more of a spectrum.  Virtually all RPG protagonists are predefined by the developers to some degree.  I put Hawke and Shepard in the area of "semi-pre-defined", much closer to the Warden than Geralt.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 11 décembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[Addai]

Maverick827 wrote...
Can you name another modern, AAA RPG that allows you to create your own character, engage in dialog, and command a party of characterized followers?

I don't think that odd mishmash of characteristics- party-based game being the only one that's fairly unique to Bioware- merits being called its own genre.

This isn't really a "some say potato" thing.  It's just unequivocally not a predefined character.

Ah, the old "my opinion is a fact" thing. Never seen that on BSN before.  Like the dude above said, there's a spectrum and for me, Shepard and Hawke are set characters. Even the female/ male distinction makes no real distinction.

By that token, TW is just cheap fan service, both pornographically as well as grimdark grisly manly dark grim badass grim darkly.

/garble

I'm sorry, DA2 doesn't belong in the running. I'm giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt here. It's better for them if it's not included.

[billy the squid]

Maverick827 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

??  That's odd.

Can you name another modern, AAA RPG that allows you to create your own character, engage in dialog, and command a party of characterized followers?

Both are third-person, dark medieval fantasy action RPGs with an emphasis on cinematics.  To me the voiced PC puts Bioware games into the pre-defined PC category, though obviously others disagree.

This isn't really a "some say potato" thing.  It's just unequivocally not a predefined character.

DA2 is a lazy cash-in and doesn't deserve comparison.

By that token, TW is just cheap fan service, both pornographically as well as grimdark grisly manly dark grim badass grim darkly.

Ah Mav, I return from my prolonged hiatus and I see your apologistic shilling hasn't changed. I'm glad I can enter a thread and still figuratively choke on the stench of your deliberate obtuseness when anything doesn't fit within your pre determined parameters.

Modifié par billy the squid, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:16 .

[Maverick827]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't think that odd mishmash of characteristics- party-based game being the only one that's fairly unique to Bioware- merits being called its own genre.

It entirely changes both the gameplay as well as the story, so I do.  That's like saying an RTS and an Action/Adventure game aren't they're own genres because an RTS just has you controlling more dudes.

Ah, the old "my opinion is a fact" thing. Never seen that on BSN before.  Like the dude above said, there's a spectrum and for me, Shepard and Hawke are set characters. Even the female/ male distinction makes no real distinction.

No, you're misunderstanding me.  I'm not saying that an opinion of yours is wrong, or that my opinion is fact, I'm saying that you're claiming something is an opinion when it is a fact.

Grass isn't red.  Two is not three.  There is a marked distinction between a game with a character creator and a game without one.  This is a simple truth value.  True or false.  Does The Witcher have a character creator?  No.  Geralt is a pre-defined character.  Does Dragon Age 2 have a character creator?  Yes.  Hawke is not a pre-defined character.

/garble

I'm sorry, DA2 doesn't belong in the running. I'm giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt here. It's better for them if it's not included.

So no actual rebuttal?  Okay.

billy the squid wrote...

Ah Mav, I return from my prolonged hiatus and I see your apologistic shilling hasn't changed. I'm glad I can enter a thread and still figuratively choke on the stench of your deliberate obtuseness when anything doesn't fit within your pre determined peramiters.

I appologise for not knowing anything about you to retort.

Modifié par Maverick827, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:14 .

[spirosz]

Maverick827 wrote...

Can you name another modern, AAA RPG that allows you to create your own character, engage in dialog, and command a party of characterized followers?

Are you stating that since they do this, it equals quality?

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I don't think that odd mishmash of characteristics- party-based game being the only one that's fairly unique to Bioware- merits being called its own genre.

It entirely changes both the gameplay as well as the story, so I do.  That's like saying an RTS and an Action/Adventure game aren't they're own genres because an RTS just has you controlling more dudes.

Lol what?

[Addai]

Maverick827 wrote...
It entirely changes both the gameplay as well as the story, so I do.

No it doesn't. But if you insist, then Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim and Fallout 3 belong in this "genre" since you can have followers, there's dialogue, and there's a character creator.

These games can still be compared, because there are still elements in common. The Witcher has elements in common with Dragon Age, and especially TW2 with its more action and cinematic focus, puts it squarely in the category of what Bioware is trying to do with their games.

There is a marked distinction between a game with a character creator and a game without one.

Says you. For me the ability to shape Geralt's worldview and actions is more meaningful than frittering around with hairstyles in a character creator. Hawke and Shepard weren't my characters any more than Geralt is.  In all cases, I'm set outside the character looking in, since they're all third person voiced PCs.  There is very little difference.

So no actual rebuttal?  Okay.

You didn't make a coherent point worth rebutting.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:27 .

[Cheylus]

Grass isn't red. Two is not three. There is a marked distinction between a game with a character creator and a game without one. This is a simple truth value. True or false. Does The Witcher have a character creator? No. Geralt is a pre-defined character. Does Dragon Age 2 have a character creator? Yes. Hawke is not a pre-defined character.

So if I can add a mustache to a character he is not predefined?

The hero of KotoR wasn't predefined?

Hawke looks very predefined to me: human, Lothering, son of a mage, has a warrior brother and a mage sister.

Modifié par Cheylus, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:28 .

[Heimdall]

Cheylus wrote...

Grass isn't red. Two is not three. There is a marked distinction between a game with a character creator and a game without one. This is a simple truth value. True or false. Does The Witcher have a character creator? No. Geralt is a pre-defined character. Does Dragon Age 2 have a character creator? Yes. Hawke is not a pre-defined character.

So if I can add a mustache to a character he is not predefined?

Hawke looks very predefined to me: human, Lothering, son of a mage, has a warrior brother and a mage sister.

Can you honestly say Hawke is as predefined as Geralt?

[Cheylus]

I already answered this question earlier on this very topic.

[Maverick827]

spirosz wrote...

Are you stating that since they do this, it equals quality?

No, but it does affect gameplay enough that The Witcher, Skyrim, etc. can't be considered in the same immediate genre as Dragon Age.

Addai67 wrote...

No it doesn't. But if you insist, then Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim and Fallout 3 belong in this "genre" since you can have followers, there's dialogue, and there's a character creator.

I want to believe that you can see the difference between Skyrim's followers and Dragon Age's party-based combat and are just being obtuse to put up an argument.

These games can still be compared, because there are still elements in common. The Witcher has elements in common with Dragon Age, and especially TW2 with its more action and cinematic focus, puts it squarely in the category of what Bioware is trying to do with their games.

The elements in common can be compared, sure, but no more than common elements in any two games can.  That doesn't explain why some people feel like there is an intrinsic, specific rivalry between Dragon Age and The Witcher when they are two very different games.

Says you.

Says logic.

For me the ability to shape Geralt's worldview and actions is more meaningful than frittering around with hairstyles in a character creator. Hawke and Shepard weren't my characters any more than Geralt is.

Now this is "says you."  I think you might be catching on to what an opinion actually is!

You didn't make a coherent point worth rebutting.

Oh, so you're a troll.  Okay, have fun, then.

Modifié par Maverick827, 12 décembre 2013 - 01:21 .

[Addai]

And I think you're afraid Bioware doesn't stand up well to the competition. You want me to take DA2 seriously? Okay then: TW2- minor optimization and balance issues aside- is an example of how to make a cinematic third-person action RPG. DA2 is an example of how not to.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 décembre 2013 - 01:33 .