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[DeinonSlayer]

@Massive
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Alliance Lapdog Shepard either.

Mordin had impressive shields, but he always just seemed too... squishy to me. I liked the character, but he spent most of his time in the lab. I only really started using Miranda in the field once the DLC came out to put her in some proper armor. Jack... I'm not sure where to start.

[jtav]

I'd like to see more of a a mix of squad mates in general. ME1 is the game that almost made me give up on BW. The squad bored me. So ME3 is a very lonely game where I frequently forget to speak to team members and I feel like I chose wrong because I liked the group that didn't get attention.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jtav wrote...

I'd like to see more of a a mix of squad mates in general. ME1 is the game that almost made me give up on BW. The squad bored me. So ME3 is a very lonely game where I frequently forget to speak to team members and I feel like I chose wrong because I liked the group that didn't get attention.

I agree that ME1's greatest weakness was the squadmates. Really, ME3 was no different except for some of the newer characters.

I did indeed feel as if the people who liked ME2 characters were left out, especially when the game does its admittedly few moments of making it clear that the ME1 crew was Shepard's crew. They weren't. There isn't a single person from the ME1 team who I like more than any ME2 character.

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd like to see more of a a mix of squad mates in general. ME1 is the game that almost made me give up on BW. The squad bored me. So ME3 is a very lonely game where I frequently forget to speak to team members and I feel like I chose wrong because I liked the group that didn't get attention.

I agree that ME1's greatest weakness was the squadmates. Really, ME3 was no different except for some of the newer characters.

I did indeed feel as if the people who liked ME2 characters were left out, especially when the game does its admittedly few moments of making it clear that the ME1 crew was Shepard's crew. They weren't. There isn't a single person from the ME1 team who I like more than any ME2 character.

People who liked the ME characters where left out in ME2, it goes both ways.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@Massive
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Alliance Lapdog Shepard either.

Mordin had impressive shields, but he always just seemed too... squishy to me. I liked the character, but he spent most of his time in the lab. I only really started using Miranda in the field once the DLC came out to put her in some proper armor. Jack... I'm not sure where to start.

I think the armor thing is ludicrous in gameplay. It has no difference in gameplay, so I don't bother getting upset over it. Granted, I do have Miranda wear the armor when heavier combat is expected, but as far as places like Illium, Omega, the Citadel, etc. goes (for combat), I'm fine with the catsuit and heels. I'm much more tolerant of it in certain situations. Other places, of course it's inappropriate. 

As for Jack, I just think she's more of a freight train than anything else. Her job is to be a distraction for me. In a sense, I treat her like fodder.

[jtav]

ME2 had Tali and Garrus. And we were always told the VS and Liara were being held back for significant roles (and Liara gets LOTSB). ME2 fans had no such hope for the future. i'm stuck with a squad I hate with no hope of fighting alongside the characters I cared about.

[Hazegurl]

Drop from ME2: Jacob and Thane. I already kill off Samara anyway.
Add to ME3: Legion and Miranda

I would drop Liara and Tali from my ME3 squad and roll with Kaidan, James, Garrus, Zaeed (edit: I forgot to add him)Legion, Miranda, and Morinth.

Miranda would be my XO on the Normandy just like in ME2 and she would have her old office back. She could provide intel on Cerberus related activities which could lead us to sanctuary to save her sister.  In other words her story would be somewhat the same but with a few rewrites. Also if Miranda is my XO then that means my Shepard is no longer with the alliance.

With Legion, I wouldn't mind a storyline centered on integrating the Geth with the rest of the galaxy when the Quarians attack causing some Geth to flee to the Reapers while others stay. We could witness the division among the Geth or perhaps have them turn to the Reapers depending on how supportive Shepard is of the Quarian attack. It makes no sense for Legion to keep relying on a Shepard who expresses disdain for the Geth.

But drunk Tali is always welcomed at the party.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:13 .

[themikefest]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I did indeed feel as if the people who liked ME2 characters were left out, especially when the game does its admittedly few moments of making it clear that the ME1 crew was Shepard's crew. They weren't. There isn't a single person from the ME1 team who I like more than any ME2 character.

I agree.

In protest from me, I have Garrus and Tali dead 9 out of every 10 playthroughs. And with them on the ship, I ignore Garrus and let Tali commit suicide.

[Mr.House]

jtav wrote...

ME2 had Tali and Garrus. And we were always told the VS and Liara were being held back for significant roles (and Liara gets LOTSB). ME2 fans had no such hope for the future. i'm stuck with a squad I hate with no hope of fighting alongside the characters I cared about.

Not everyone likes Garrus and Tali. If you did not like them, you are left out in ME2 unless you pay for extra dlc if you're a Liara fan.

Modifié par Mr.House, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:16 .

[trenq]

Drop Jacob and Samara.

Add Legion and Grunt.

Modifié par trenq, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Wow, Mike. There are characters I dislike, but none that I'm that vindictive about. I've never even done a "chew out Liara at every opportunity" playthrough. I've skipped Thane and Samara's recruitment in a few playthroughs and lost a mix of squaddies in each run, but that's about it.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Wow, Mike. There are characters I dislike, but none that I'm that vindictive about. I've skipped Thane and Samara's recruitment in a few playthroughs and lost a mix of squaddies in each run, but that's about it.

You know how I am with my characters in my fic right (not published yet so don't ask)?

Tali gets utterly shredded by banshees (imagine a person being sucked into a blender).

Garrus snipes from the London Clock Tower, gets a few good hits in, but gets killed when a Reaper demolishes it.

Jack and her squad get vaporized by a direct hit from a Reaper.

Shepard puts Ashley down personally.

Javik gets an ending akin to Mel Gibson in 'The Road Warrior'.

EDI is lost in the destroy wave (my version of it.)

[themikefest]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Wow, Mike. There are characters I dislike, but none that I'm that vindictive about. I've never even done a "chew out Liara at every opportunity" playthrough. I've skipped Thane and Samara's recruitment in a few playthroughs and lost a mix of squaddies in each run, but that's about it.

I am not a fan of Garrus and he doesn't add anything to ME3. WithTali you are forced to have if you want to get peace. I don't agree with that. When you cure/sabotage the genephage you aren't forced to have anyone specific.

Modifié par themikefest, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:19 .

[trenq]

 " Shepard puts Ashley down personally"
I like that.     

[DeinonSlayer]

Yeah, I remember, Massive, and it still sounds as creepy as ever. 

OK, topic...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd like to see more of a a mix of squad mates in general. ME1 is the game that almost made me give up on BW. The squad bored me. So ME3 is a very lonely game where I frequently forget to speak to team members and I feel like I chose wrong because I liked the group that didn't get attention.

I agree that ME1's greatest weakness was the squadmates. Really, ME3 was no different except for some of the newer characters.

I did indeed feel as if the people who liked ME2 characters were left out, especially when the game does its admittedly few moments of making it clear that the ME1 crew was Shepard's crew. They weren't. There isn't a single person from the ME1 team who I like more than any ME2 character.

People who liked the ME characters where left out in ME2, it goes both ways.

You think that ideally they would have created a means to appease both. Instead, the overwhelming focus is on the ME1 characters again, and even in Citadel, the main plot is completely deficient of anyone in ME2.

[Hazegurl]

jtav wrote...

ME2 had Tali and Garrus. And we were always told the VS and Liara were being held back for significant roles (and Liara gets LOTSB). ME2 fans had no such hope for the future. i'm stuck with a squad I hate with no hope of fighting alongside the characters I cared about.

IMO, Kaidan and Ash were my only crew from ME1. Tali was recruited by Udina, Liara was Benenzia's daughter who just never got off my ship for some reason, Garrus was just tagging along for adventure reasons, and Wrex was just bored. 

ME2 offered more choices, it just sucked that Shepard didn't have the power to kick anyone he didn't like off his ship.

ME3 was back to having people tag along who really could have been better off elsewhere. Liara could have been working on the Crucible, Tali was an Admiral, Garrus was a reaper specialists or something on Palaven. How ironic for me that the one member I considered truly apart of my ME1 crew (VS) could have been sent away for good.

[DeinonSlayer]

Citadel could have benefitted from ME2 characters. They're already coded in as combat-ready squadmates. I could see Miranda coming to Shepard's rescue in the wards.

And yeah, certain squadmates (Liara, Garrus and Tali specifically) it ought to have been optional to send them off as war assets (so long as you have at least two squadmates). They have jobs to do.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[themikefest]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
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You think that ideally they would have created a means to appease both. Instead, the overwhelming focus is on the ME1 characters again, and even in Citadel, the main plot is completely deficient of anyone in ME2.

Again I agree.

In Citadel dlc Wrex is a squadmate and the ME2 characters are sidelined.

[Ieldra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd like to see more of a a mix of squad mates in general. ME1 is the game that almost made me give up on BW. The squad bored me. So ME3 is a very lonely game where I frequently forget to speak to team members and I feel like I chose wrong because I liked the group that didn't get attention.

I agree that ME1's greatest weakness was the squadmates. Really, ME3 was no different except for some of the newer characters.

I did indeed feel as if the people who liked ME2 characters were left out...

Indeed. And it doesn't help that ME3 severely weakened some ME2 team members, robbing them of well-liked character traits and the story significance they should've had, while destroying others' romances. I feel betrayed. 

[themikefest]

Hazegurl wrote...

ME3 was back to having people tag along who really could have been better off elsewhere. Liara could have been working on the Crucible, Tali was an Admiral, Garrus was a reaper specialists or something on Palaven. How ironic for me that the one member I considered truly apart of my ME1 crew (VS) could have been sent away for good.

T'soni should've been sent to Hackett after Mars. She is helping with gathering resources and trying to figure out what the Crucible will do. She also would be worth more war assets than sending Ashley/Kaidan.

There should be an option to leave Garrus on Palaven's moon to help his fellow soldiers. I have James so that would be no loss.

Tali as an Admiral(what a joke) would be better off staying with the Quarians to help get ready for going to Earth. I have Adams, Gabby and Ken(if both are alive) making sure the ship runs smoothly

edi had no reason to become a robot.

With that 4 ME2 squadmates can join the Normandy.

[Ieldra]

@OP:
I would drop Samara and Kasumi from ME2, and add Miranda and Legion to ME3 as team members. Reason in all four cases: story significance or the lack thereof. Miranda would've worked as an NPC only if her story potential had been realized regardless. Oh, and I meant of course ME2 Legion and Miranda, not the impostors (in both cases) we got in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:51 .

[AlanC9]

I don't want to derail the thread, but one-for-one substitutions don't really work at the same level of dev resources. Most of the ME2 squadmates don't have much content; giving all of Samara's word count to Miranda still won't get Miranda up to squadmate levels.