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[Seboist]

Jacob did have some potential to be an Alistair-esque buddy for Shepard that he could relate to but alas...

[Mr.House]

Seboist wrote...

Jacob did have some potential to be an Alistair-esque buddy for Shepard that he could relate to but alas...

You mean cry like a baby and threaten to leave you because he is naive?

[DeinonSlayer]

jtav wrote...

Jacob fills a role as Miranda's foil in Cerberus and acts more like Shepard's XO. Thane is there for people like me to drool over.

True. Jacob was the one who'd give you the status of the crew and the mission. Miranda just sat at her desk. Dat catfight...

I think it'd have been more interesting if Jacob came back in ME3 as the captain of his own ship. A Corsair, once again.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:49 .

[Reorte]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'm a bit surprised so far to see more people support dropping Thane than Jacob. Kasumi and Miranda look like the most popular ME3 crew additions.

Jacob had potential. He's almost on the same page as Shepard at the beginning of ME2 -- had a Spectre-like role with the Alliance, did some impressive things in Mass Effect: Galaxy, can relate to Shepard as ex-Alliance-turned-Cerberus.

It's all just downhill for him after Freedom's Progress. It's like he switches personalities with Miranda.

But if you're cutting some characters to give others more content...

There's a logical reason to have Jacob on the crew, having at least two Cerberus squadmates on a Cerberus ship doesn't seem unreasonable. His position makes sense, it's just his character that lets him down. To be honest he gets far too much criticism IMO; he's only dull in comparison with the others, being much more like an ordinary person. Ordinary people just don't make interesting fictional characters though. He's one of a small number I would be happy to have drink in the same pub. So role-wise he's fine, his character just needs a bit of work.

Thane on the other hand is just another gun when you've already got a squad of gun-toters, and he's the assassin gun rather than the soldier one - nothing much to suggest that'll be needed (although he sounds more useful than a thief).

[dreamgazer]

tickle267 wrote...

this would be perfect for ME2 and ME3:

I don't know why this exists, but man. 

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'm a bit surprised so far to see more people support dropping Thane than Jacob.

Least Jacob had the Lazarus, Thane has nothing. He does not even have a role in the SM.

Not entirely true, Thane's role was to serve as a bad choice, Lol!

Well, he can properly fill the escort position. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:54 .

[ruggly]

tickle267 wrote...

this would be perfect for ME2 and ME3:

And with that, I would be like

[Br3admax]

tickle267 wrote...

this would be perfect for ME2 and ME3:

I can't even...too much boring. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Remove Jack and Thane, remove these two godawful characters who should never have been here in the first place.

Add Miranda and ... not sure, the only ME2 character that truly deserved to be a full-flegded squadmate in the ME3 we got was Miranda, given the Sith Empire we faced Miranda would have been the obvious character to have along to help reflect on the old and new Cerberus.

Alas, Bioware's writing was too incompetent.

[Lady Sif]

Drop Zaeed and Kasumi

Add Miranda and Jack

[David7204]

Lizardviking wrote...

Remove Jack and Thane, remove these two godawful characters who should never have been here in the first place.

Add Miranda and ... not sure, the only ME2 character that truly deserved to be a full-flegded squadmate in the ME3 we got was Miranda, given the Sith Empire we faced Miranda would have been the obvious character to have along to help reflect on the old and new Cerberus.

Alas, Bioware's writing was too incompetent.

No, 'incompetent' would be thinking that if you bring Miranda and Cerberus in a room together, the plot magically writes itself somehow. That it's just instant character development, instant meaningful dialogue.

Modifié par David7204, 09 décembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[Silcron]

And to respond to the OP.

I'd drop Thane, not because he's about to die, but because they tell us he's good at killing. Just that, a really good killer. Teamwork? Frontline action? As an able gun to help with the shooting that will inevitably happen I'd rather have Zaeed. He's got experience working with groups of people in the front line. And tbh in his other sort of line of work, stealth, we all know Kasumi is a lot better. Had we needed anyone to sneak into, say, the control room the Collector General's to put a big bomb Kasumi would have been much more useful than Thane, and if I need a sniper Garrus can do it better in the mission simply because he's not as squishy as Thane (not entering who's more accurate, even if Thane is I don't care).

I'd also drop Legion. Never thought of him being that useful, specially seeing how Reapers could use them in ME1. But I didn't need the money or thought that giving him to Cerberus would be a good idea. So seeing as he was volunteering to come to us I gave him a metaphorical redshirt. If he survived was because I did his mission and I didn't trust him with any job so he never got a chance to get into the wrong one.

Why wouldn't I drop Jacob? Because he does actual work on the Normandy, from the beggining he's in the armory taking care of our weapons. Yes, I always considered him more as a crew member than a squad mate (he only came on missions when was only compulsory) and he gets a moment to shine in the suicide mission.

To ME3 I would have added Zaeed and Jack, maybe swap Zaeed for Grunt but I prefer Zaeed. Why? Because I like them and they can turn your squad in the ground into a powerhouse, which I don't really see with the other squad mates we have in ME3. (even on insanity I base my squad on roleplaying, not on actual powers or gameplay. ME in general is easy enough that I can do anything on my own, they make things easier, just like having other Noble Team members around in Halo: Reach)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Remove Jack and Thane, remove these two godawful characters who should never have been here in the first place.

Add Miranda and ... not sure, the only ME2 character that truly deserved to be a full-flegded squadmate in the ME3 we got was Miranda, given the Sith Empire we faced Miranda would have been the obvious character to have along to help reflect on the old and new Cerberus.

Alas, Bioware's writing was too incompetent.

No, 'incompetent' would be thinking that if you bring Miranda and Cerberus in a room together, the plot magically writes itself somehow. That it's just instant character development, instant meaningful dialogue.

Reductio ad absurdum Strawman (among the several fallacies you're committing):

No one is saying that having Miranda and Cerberus together will automatically make better content. Only you are. 

You're making up a position no-one holds, and you're attacking it. It's like clockwork with you.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Remove Jack and Thane, remove these two godawful characters who should never have been here in the first place.

Add Miranda and ... not sure, the only ME2 character that truly deserved to be a full-flegded squadmate in the ME3 we got was Miranda, given the Sith Empire we faced Miranda would have been the obvious character to have along to help reflect on the old and new Cerberus.

Alas, Bioware's writing was too incompetent.

No, 'incompetent' would be thinking that if you bring Miranda and Cerberus in a room together, the plot magically writes itself somehow. That it's just instant character development, instant meaningful dialogue.

Reductio ad absurdum Strawman (among the several fallacies you're committing):

No one is saying that having Miranda and Cerberus together will automatically make better content. Only you are. 

You're making up a position no-one holds, and you're attacking it. It's like clockwork with you.

Thank you Massive, I am too drunk right now, trying to write my Warcraft fanfic.

[Seboist]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Remove Jack and Thane, remove these two godawful characters who should never have been here in the first place.

Add Miranda and ... not sure, the only ME2 character that truly deserved to be a full-flegded squadmate in the ME3 we got was Miranda, given the Sith Empire we faced Miranda would have been the obvious character to have along to help reflect on the old and new Cerberus.

Alas, Bioware's writing was too incompetent.

No, 'incompetent' would be thinking that if you bring Miranda and Cerberus in a room together, the plot magically writes itself somehow. That it's just instant character development, instant meaningful dialogue.

Reductio ad absurdum Strawman (among the several fallacies you're committing):

No one is saying that having Miranda and Cerberus together will automatically make better content. Only you are. 

You're making up a position no-one holds, and you're attacking it. It's like clockwork with you.

That's just how David's autistic mind works.

[MegaSovereign]

tickle267 wrote...

this would be perfect for ME2 and ME3:

I'll let em know when to hit them with the good stuff.

[AlanC9]

Silcron wrote...
I'd drop Thane, not because he's about to die, but because they tell us he's good at killing. Just that, a really good killer. Teamwork? Frontline action? As an able gun to help with the shooting that will inevitably happen I'd rather have Zaeed. He's got experience working with groups of people in the front line. And tbh in his other sort of line of work, stealth, we all know Kasumi is a lot better. 

This argument's a lot more compelling for those of us who actually have Kasumi, I'll bet.

[Silcron]

AlanC9 wrote...

Silcron wrote...
I'd drop Thane, not because he's about to die, but because they tell us he's good at killing. Just that, a really good killer. Teamwork? Frontline action? As an able gun to help with the shooting that will inevitably happen I'd rather have Zaeed. He's got experience working with groups of people in the front line. And tbh in his other sort of line of work, stealth, we all know Kasumi is a lot better. 

This argument's a lot more compelling for those of us who actually have Kasumi, I'll bet.

I'm not saying he can't do it. And since we're in the what if? scenario why bring I don't even care if a character is dlc or not. Drop whoever you choose to add whoever you choose. We could add to this hypothetical scenario that all dlc was in the vanilla game.

I'd rather just base the arguments for my choices here on the characters themselves. If we go with the dlc angle then choice for who to drop is rather easy and makes this discussion rather irrelevant, don't you think?

Your point *is* valid, don't get me wrong, it just cancels out the whole "who would you drop from ME2?" part of the discussion, that's why I ignored it. It's the same if you say "which missions would you drop from ME1 so they wouldn't have to be acknoledge in ME2 and you'd get other stuff?" Oh I don't know, how about the two dlc missions?

It is a fair point, after all, it's dlc, but going into these scenarios I think it's fair ot assume we're going to ignore that.

Modifié par Silcron, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:11 .

[KaiserShep]

I'd drop Thane and Samara. All they really do for me is give me insight on the drell and the ardat yakshi (the justicars don't interest me in the slightest). Beyond that, neither see combat until the suicide mission in my playthroughs. I thought about Jacob, but I think he deserved more tweaking than being dropped, and needed a better power set. He was essentially a broken vanguard (pull was NEVER useful until ME3 introduced us to the Cerberus guardians), but at least I could just head-canon that he kept all of our weapons in tip top condition.

The only character I'd really add to ME3 is Miranda for the Cerberus plot. As it was, ME2's cast of characters was too large and there were simply not enough missions to balance them out, resulting in a few just being forgotten until you do their loyalty misisons. I for one was glad to be back to the more ME1-esque squad layout.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:43 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...

Apparently BioWare should just get rid of everybody, huh?

They should've dropped Shepard, always hated that guy/girl.

Mr.House wrote...
get rid of Naoto in P4 ect and see what happens.

Someone's gonna have to fight me is what happens.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
"Pointless" doesn't just mean making no contribution to the plot.

Characters like Jacob are literally good for nothing.

I wish I could disagree with this, I really do.

[We'll bang okay]

Tali and Garrus in mass effect 2 they don't really seem to contribute much to the story as they did in the first one and are just there for there fans. as for 3 Miranda could have added a lot more to the Cerberus arc same goes for Jacob.

[Jorji Costava]

Douglas n7 wrote...

Tali and Garrus in mass effect 2 they don't really seem to contribute much to the story as they did in the first one and are just there for there fans. as for 3 Miranda could have added a lot more to the Cerberus arc same goes for Jacob.

As much as I'm not a fan of Tali or the Quarian content in general, I have to admit that Tali was probably essential for ME2; she's our way "in" to the Quarian perspective on the Quarian/Geth conflict, and that turned out to be one of the few elements of ME3 that ME2 did at least a reasonable job of setting up.