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[Erez Kristal]

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.


The events of mass effect 3, the amount of nuisances in the plot on a galactic scale are a lot to endure. its not because of space magic. its because of the poor logic behind characters decision making skills or lack of logic. Poor logic behind characters decisions breaks immersion and dumbs down the universe its incredibely hard to recover from something like that.
Mass effect universe without me3. is the best scfi universe out there.(for me) with me3 its probally the worst.

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes. because at its core, its still the best out there.

[dreamgazer]

erezike wrote...

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes.

I strongly doubt this, but good luck if it's actually the case.

Have you ever looked back at this forum's circle-jerking about ME2's pointlessness and problems?

[Vlk3]

What can I say? I feel the same as you, erezike.

[Mr.House]

The first paragraph, my sides hurt.

[Br3admax]

Yeah I stopped reading after the first paragraph. I also read some of the second in dream's quote. The point is, OP, you hyped the game up way more than it ever deserved. ME was never anywhere near the best sci-fi universe, I'd hardly even consider it in any sci-fi universe to begin with. And aside from the ending, which is itself debatable, ME3 follows the same logic it's predecessors did. No logic.

[CynicalShep]

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun lore based combat system and traveling system.


The events of mass effect 3, the amount of nuisances in the plot on a galactic scale are a lot to endure. its not because of space magic. its because of the poor logic behind characters decision making skills or lack of logic. Poor logic behind characters decisions breaks immersion and dumbs down the universe its incredibely hard to recover from something like that.
Mass effect universe without me3. is the best scfi universe out there.(for me) with me3 its probally the worst.

No, erezike. Just no.

[Barquiel]

CynicalShep wrote...

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun lore based combat system and traveling system.


The events of mass effect 3, the amount of nuisances in the plot on a galactic scale are a lot to endure. its not because of space magic. its because of the poor logic behind characters decision making skills or lack of logic. Poor logic behind characters decisions breaks immersion and dumbs down the universe its incredibely hard to recover from something like that.
Mass effect universe without me3. is the best scfi universe out there.(for me) with me3 its probally the worst.

No, erezike. Just no.

I think comparing the whole of the IPs is not really fair to Mass Effect because of the sheer amount of Star Wars, Star Trek or Babylon5 (my favorite scifi series) canon/EU material. They've had much more time to expand the universe...

[Argentoid]

This guy...

That first paragraph is... quite... wait what? No, just no. Mass Effect is still a good franchise, but the others are WAY WAAAAAAAAY BETTER. I'm glad you like ME more than any other Sci-Fi franchise on the world, but you are not right.

I agree with Br3ad: You may have overhyped ME3, I don't know what you expected. Did you start playing ME because of ME2? Because I started with ME1, and though I enjoyed ME2, I thought it was terrible storywise, excluding some sub-plots, but the amount of inconsistences, forced retcons, Shepard's attitude towards resurrection.... jeez. Most of the people who started up at ME2 claim it's the best in the trilogy (which I kinda laugh when that happens).

ME3 is a bit better in terms of story, because at least it follows a plot. But I'm only pissed off because of the autodialogue, Cerberus and the extremly nonsensical logic of the Catalyst (which I'm still trying to wrap in my head).

Also, I presume that if the ending was a happy one, you wouldn't have one single problem with ME3. The moment you realized the ending sucked, you maybe started to nitpick every single of the game. But that's just my guess.

Modifié par Argentoid, 08 décembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[trenq]

haha

[Mr.House]

Barquiel wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun lore based combat system and traveling system.


The events of mass effect 3, the amount of nuisances in the plot on a galactic scale are a lot to endure. its not because of space magic. its because of the poor logic behind characters decision making skills or lack of logic. Poor logic behind characters decisions breaks immersion and dumbs down the universe its incredibely hard to recover from something like that.
Mass effect universe without me3. is the best scfi universe out there.(for me) with me3 its probally the worst.

No, erezike. Just no.

I think comparing the whole of the IPs is not really fair to Mass Effect because of the sheer amount of Star Wars, Star Trek or Babylon5 (my favorite scifi series) canon/EU material. They've had much more time to expand the universe...

It's fair.

[Erez Kristal]

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Its perfectly fine for people to prefer another IP over mass effect. i didnt state it was the absoulete truth. that mass effect was the best IP before mass effect 3. i stated it was my favorite IP. and take it from someone who really enjoyed many of those stated IPS.
There is no absoulete truth in regarding to people opinions. we all have our tastes.

Argentoid wrote...


Also, I presume that if the ending was a happy one, you wouldn't have one single problem with ME3. The moment you realized the ending sucked, you maybe started to nitpick every single of the game. But that's just my guess.

While thats is your assumption, it isnt true

Modifié par erezike, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Mr.House]

erezike wrote...

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Wow.....

[dreamgazer]

You can nitpick the hell out of ME1 and ME2, too.

It's simply "easier" to do with the sequels, especially the one with the iffy, power-trip-killing ending.

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

erezike wrote...

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Wow.....

Lol at everything else made "perfect sense and don't make anyone look like a moron." Also encriched worlds, ME2 "built the universe,"  all ME2 did was ignore ME and thow in a few fan service LIs and LI-species. I liked some of the characters, but ME2 is far from perfect. Very far. 

[JamesFaith]

dreamgazer wrote...

You can nitpick the hell out of ME1 and ME2, too.

It's simply "easier" to do with the sequels, especially the one with the iffy, power-trip-killing ending.

Yeap, but this case look like lassic example of selective nitpicking.

What I love - none or minimum flaws, which aren't so big
What I dislike - tons of flaws and even smallest are disaster to me

[Argentoid]

erezike wrote...

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Its perfectly fine for people to prefer another IP over mass effect. i didnt state it was the absoulete truth. that mass effect was the best IP before mass effect 3. i stated it was my favorite IP. and take it from someone who really enjoyed many of those stated IPS.
There is no absoulete truth in regarding to people opinions. we all have our tastes.

Ummm... why do you think the IFF abduction makes no sense?

[Barquiel]

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think comparing the whole of the IPs is not really fair to Mass Effect because of the sheer amount of Star Wars, Star Trek or Babylon5 (my favorite scifi series) canon/EU material. They've had much more time to expand the universe...

It's fair.

I think Mass Effect's universe is relatively well done, but the setting doesn't feel as fleshed out as it should (even compared to Dragon Age).

But comparing the Mass Effect universe to Babylon5, Star Wars or Star Trek? Mass Effect has clear disadvantages here (3 games and 4 novels vs several movies, TV shows and who knows how many novels).

[Mr.House]

Argentoid wrote...

erezike wrote...

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Its perfectly fine for people to prefer another IP over mass effect. i didnt state it was the absoulete truth. that mass effect was the best IP before mass effect 3. i stated it was my favorite IP. and take it from someone who really enjoyed many of those stated IPS.
There is no absoulete truth in regarding to people opinions. we all have our tastes.

Ummm... why do you think the IFF abduction makes no sense?

Why is Shepard leaving when there is no reason for Shepard to leave the ship? Better yet, why is she bringing EVERYONE with her, leaving the ship unprotected Where did they go? Omega to get Grunt some lap dances? There was no reason for Shepard to leave.

[Linkenski]

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes.

I strongly doubt this, but good luck if it's actually the case.

Have you ever looked back at this forum's circle-jerking about ME2's pointlessness and problems?

Oh, the pre-ME3 era. Those were the days; back when I didn't even care to look up online opinions and discussions because I was content with what I had in ME1 and ME2. ME3 not only broke my impression about that one game, but it made me realise how whiny people had been of all the other Mass Effect games's flaws as well.

And to be honest, looking into some of the valid critisisms I've become more aware of them when replaying the trilogy and it just doesn't feel as good now. ME3 is partly to blame, but a lot of BSN opinions have chaned my opinion just a tad, for the worse. :-3

Unlike some people I had this awful feeling getting into ME3 not only when I saw the ending, but just throughout the whole intro of the game. I had half the control of Shepard, the characters said stuff that was very questionable to their pre-established characters from ME1 and ME2. It just didn't feel like an actual followup to ME2.

More so than anything you could just tell that either the writers had changed direction or had been switched out. Mac's incompetence as a plot-director shows throughout the entirety.

Modifié par Linkenski, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Argentoid]

Mr.House wrote...

Why is Shepard leaving when there is no reason for Shepard to leave the ship? Better yet, why is she bringing EVERYONE with her, leaving the ship unprotected Where did they go? Omega to get Grunt some lap dances? There was no reason for Shepard to leave.

But I always thought the only reason Shepard left was to take Grunt to Omega for some lap dances.

Modifié par Argentoid, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[dreamgazer]

Linkenski wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes.

I strongly doubt this, but good luck if it's actually the case.

Have you ever looked back at this forum's circle-jerking about ME2's pointlessness and problems?

Oh, the pre-ME3 era. Those were the days; back when I didn't even care to look up online opinions and discussions because I was content with what I had in ME1 and ME2. ME3 not only broke my impression about that one game, but it made me realise how whiny people had been of all the other Mass Effect games's flaws as well.

And to be honest, looking into some of the valid critisisms I've become more aware of them when replaying the trilogy and it just doesn't feel as good now. ME3 is partly to blame, but a lot of BSN opinions have chaned my opinion just a tad, for the worse. :-3

Unlike some people I had this awful feeling getting into ME3 not only when I saw the ending, but just throughout the whole intro of the game. I had half the control of Shepard, the characters said stuff that was very questionable to their pre-established characters from ME1 and ME2. It just didn't feel like an actual followup to ME2.

More so than anything you could just tell that either the writers had changed direction or had been switched out. Mac's incompetence as a plot-director shows throughout the entirety.

(laughs)

And what's the excuse for the plot imcompetence and lack of "follow-up" in ME2? Mac there, as well? 

ME1 and ME2 have problems not because of ME3, but because of ME1 and ME2. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

The first paragraph, my sides hurt.

You don't have to be so incredulous over other people's opinions you know.

[AlanC9]

Why shouldn't he be?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 décembre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Karlone123]

I feel the same, Mass Effect 3 wasn't as good as I'd hope it to be. The things I enjoyed about Mass Effect such as being part of the conversations with my crew and companions was lessened and I felt replaced by auto-dialogue salvaging the moments I could actually have some input. Changes to the story and choices made it feel like ME3 was a revamp. But the sad reality is ME3 is what it is, we cannot change that anymore.

Modifié par Karlone123, 08 décembre 2013 - 08:41 .