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[Deathsaurer]

Argentoid wrote...

Ummm... why do you think the IFF abduction makes no sense?

Why even bother boarding the Normady? Why are a few dozen people important for the Human Reaper? Just blow it up and stop Shepard's interference right there. Leave a com buoy that says something like Shepard, this is what you get for thinking you could stop me. Enjoy your day. Sincerely Harbinger.

[Argentoid]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

Ummm... why do you think the IFF abduction makes no sense?

Why even bother boarding the Normady? Why are a few dozen people important for the Human Reaper? Just blow it up and stop Shepard's interference right there. Leave a com buoy that says something like Shepard, this is what you get for thinking you could stop me. Enjoy your day. Sincerely Harbinger.

Though what Mr.House stated is absolutely true (the team leaving the Normandy out of convenience), I thought the Collectors wanted Shepard's body. Maybe that is the reason why they boarded it after the Reaper IFF uploaded a virus and enabled a signal that made the Collector cruiser find it.

Modifié par Argentoid, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:14 .

[Deathsaurer]

Meh they could have at least disabled the engines. Harbinger knew there was an AI on board.

[Argentoid]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Meh they could have at least disabled the engines. Harbinger knew there was an AI on board.

With magic?

[Deathsaurer]

No, shoot the engines off the ship.

[Argentoid]

Deathsaurer wrote...

No, shoot the engines off the ship.

Wouldn't that destroy the ship and end up like they did it the first time? Look at what happened: Shepard got spaced and no precious body for them. I suppose they coudln't take that risk again.

Modifié par Argentoid, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:20 .

[Deathsaurer]

It's a sitting target. I suppose if you had really bad aim, yeah, it could blow the ship up. But it'd be pretty bad if they couldn't hit the wings of a ship that can't move.

[Linkenski]

dreamgazer wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes.

I strongly doubt this, but good luck if it's actually the case.

Have you ever looked back at this forum's circle-jerking about ME2's pointlessness and problems?

Oh, the pre-ME3 era. Those were the days; back when I didn't even care to look up online opinions and discussions because I was content with what I had in ME1 and ME2. ME3 not only broke my impression about that one game, but it made me realise how whiny people had been of all the other Mass Effect games's flaws as well.

And to be honest, looking into some of the valid critisisms I've become more aware of them when replaying the trilogy and it just doesn't feel as good now. ME3 is partly to blame, but a lot of BSN opinions have chaned my opinion just a tad, for the worse. :-3

Unlike some people I had this awful feeling getting into ME3 not only when I saw the ending, but just throughout the whole intro of the game. I had half the control of Shepard, the characters said stuff that was very questionable to their pre-established characters from ME1 and ME2. It just didn't feel like an actual followup to ME2.

More so than anything you could just tell that either the writers had changed direction or had been switched out. Mac's incompetence as a plot-director shows throughout the entirety.

(laughs)

And what's the excuse for the plot imcompetence and lack of "follow-up" in ME2? Mac there, as well? 

ME1 and ME2 have problems not because of ME3, but because of ME1 and ME2. 

I believe Mac wrote most of ME2's script with peer reviewing, and Drew has stated he did write some of TIMs dialogue. But the overarching backbone of the plot was written by Drew as far as I know.

Honestly Mac or not shouldn't matter. ME2's plot didn't bother me at all, and even though I know about its flaws now that I've seen some opinions in here, I still don't think it's bad to be quite frank. It's just pretty shallow.

But what exactly did you guys expect as a "proper follow-up" in ME2? Because, as far as I can recall most second entries in trilogies reference events of the first part (which is usually standalone btw) but they form their own plot which is more tightly connect with the third act. I don't see why the lack of "follow-up" was a problem in ME2? because there was no need for a follow-up. However, they deliberately made the Arrival DLC after ME2 to directly connect the events of 2 to ME3... but that never happened. Instead we got the most lame excuse for an opening in ME3 and the logic of the plot is still completlely idiotic to me.

I still think they failed to convey why it was more important to keep the fight at Earth while Palaven and Thessia were seemingly under just as much stress, and mind you, the Asari actually completely lose their homeworld throughout the events of ME3, but somehow Earth is still what matters to Shepard even though the entire galaxy is at stake. The Crucible is just as dumb if not dumber. When the scale is so big as it is in ME3 it takes much more to make it compelling or convincing for that matter. This is something I could take with a grain of salt in ME2's more intimate scope, but ME3 fails this completely in my opinion.

[Argentoid]

Deathsaurer wrote...

It's a sitting target. I suppose if you had really bad aim, yeah, it could blow the ship up. But it'd be pretty bad if they couldn't hit the wings of a ship that can't move.

Maybe. But why blow something up when you can aboard it anyway?

I think Harbinger underestimated the power of EDI.

Modifié par Argentoid, 08 décembre 2013 - 09:34 .

[Deathsaurer]

Argentoid wrote...

I think Harbinger underestimated the power of EDI.

Well if he did that twice he shouldn't be allowed to run his own opperations anymore. I've never thought much of the preserve Shepard plotline anyways so I'm probably projecting a bit of bias here but Harbinger has never come off as a good planner to me. I find him entertaining when he rants but his tactics are just silly IMO.

[sr2josh]

Nobody cares that you don't like ME3.  Please move on.  It's been almost TWO YEARS  

[wolfhowwl]

Mr.House wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

erezike wrote...

I am aware a lot of people were not thrilled with the collector plot. there is only one illogical event in me2 and thats the IFF abduction. the rest of the events make perfect sense and dont make anyone look like a moron. the world itself is built in me2 and is enriched vastly. there are very few games where i really spend the time to read the codex. and after playing me2 I simply wanted to learn all there is to know about the universe.

Its perfectly fine for people to prefer another IP over mass effect. i didnt state it was the absoulete truth. that mass effect was the best IP before mass effect 3. i stated it was my favorite IP. and take it from someone who really enjoyed many of those stated IPS.
There is no absoulete truth in regarding to people opinions. we all have our tastes.

Ummm... why do you think the IFF abduction makes no sense?

Why is Shepard leaving when there is no reason for Shepard to leave the ship? Better yet, why is she bringing EVERYONE with her, leaving the ship unprotected Where did they go? Omega to get Grunt some lap dances? There was no reason for Shepard to leave.

Don't forget the Reapers knowing that the Normandy has the IFF but doing nothing to stop them from using the Omega 4 relay and assaulting the base.

[KaiserShep]

This is assuming that it's possible to even block access to the Omega 4 relay without having direct access to the Citadel itself.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 décembre 2013 - 05:19 .

[KaiserShep]

Deathsaurer wrote...

It's a sitting target. I suppose if you had really bad aim, yeah, it could blow the ship up. But it'd be pretty bad if they couldn't hit the wings of a ship that can't move.

To be fair, they probably did intend to destroy the ship once they both extracted the entire crew and the Collector crew left the ship.

The real question is, what stopped them from flooding the Normandy with a seeker swarm? That would have immobilized everyone immediately, and there would have been zero resistance.

Deathsaurer wrote...

Meh they could have at least disabled the engines. Harbinger knew there was an AI on board.

How did Harbinger know that there was an AI aboard? There's no real indication that they know any of this prior to the abduction, though it could be possible that the Collectors' computer system could discern that a full-fledged AI was mining for data, but we just don't know this for certain. I imagine that they may have figured this out after the Normandy regained control and took off, as they would conclude that only an AI could successfully countermand the IFF's virus.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 décembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[Deathsaurer]

KaiserShep wrote...

To be fair, they probably did intend to destroy the ship once they both extracted the entire crew and the Collector crew left the ship.

Still don't see a point to it. I'd have just blown them up. I mean I really had this kind of derpy villian behavior / personal bias

The real question is, what stopped them from flooding the Normandy with a seeker swarm? That would have immobilized everyone immediately, and there would have been zero resistance.

Because then Joker couldn't crap his pants and save the day. So, plot.

How did Harbinger know that there was an AI aboard? There's no real indication that they know any of this prior to the abduction, though it could be possible that the Collectors' computer system could discern that a full-fledged AI was mining for data, but we just don't know this for certain. I imagine that they may have figured this out after the Normandy regained control and took off, as they would conclude that only an AI could successfully countermand the IFF's virus.

I'd think Harbinger is smart enough to realize an AI is hacking the doors on the cruiser. That's a bit much to expect from a VI. I mean it was really specific platforms and doors

[KaiserShep]

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.

I think you're being unfair to some of these. The universe of "Enterprise" is not isolated to that series. Star Trek TOS and TNG are the long-standing foundations of the Star Trek universe, not Enterprise. It's just too bad that the Star Trek franchise has been reduced to lens flare-addled stupidity with the new movies, which probably did more damage than Lucas' prequels, which is hard for me to say. Battlestar Galactica is given homage to some degree in Mass Effect as well, with the inclusion of the geth. They are pretty much the "cylons" of the MEU. Riddick was always a middling setting anyway. It's a bit fun, but it's nowhere in the league of any of these stories. Not sure what to even make of the comparison to Dune. Dune is such a vastly different kind of setting that it's kind of apples and oranges here. E.T. is an odd comparison, because there is technically no "universe" here anyway. It's basically just a brief encounter with an unknown species from an unknown planet and we're never certain if they'll ever return. Basically, the universe here is just the suburbs on earth. Personally I was never a fan of the Starship Troopers or Warhammer universes to begin with, so OK.

[BloodxGusher]

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.

You   HAVE   to be trolling. You just have to be.

You seriously just said Mass Effect is more rich than StarTrek, StarWars, Aliens, Dune and ET...For god sakes ET. How did that make your list?


I like Mass Effect like the next scifi nerd, geek, dork, what have you but you are talking about a topic somewhat that came into existance purely to be made into a video game and saying it trumps things before its time.

Correct me if I am wrong but is Mass Effect one of those "sleeper" games that was around in book form for like 10 years before being made into a movie or game like Metro 2033?

Modifié par BloodxGusher, 09 décembre 2013 - 06:04 .

[David7204]

You are wrong. Completely wrong.

'Before it's time'? Fiction does not get stronger with age.

Modifié par David7204, 09 décembre 2013 - 06:01 .

[KaiserShep]

BloodxGusher wrote...

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.

You   HAVE   to be trolling. You just have to be.

You seriously just said Mass Effect is more rich than StarTrek, StarWars, Aliens, Dune and ET...For god sakes ET. How did that make your list?

Well, technically he didn't say it was richer, only "better". There's no way Mass Effect is richer than stories that have been around for so much longer, some of which spanning over multiple films, books, comics, etc..

[BloodxGusher]

David7204 wrote...

You are wrong. Completely wrong. 

'Before it's time'? Fiction does not get stronger with age. 

In the case of "StarTrek" yes it completely does. So what does it get weaker with age? Thats insane. Are you saying Halo did not expand into what it was? It just was created into greatness? How about Star Wars? That was created pretty much with the intent to make a film out it.

How are you sitting there and saying that with a straight face? OF COURSE fiction can and DOES get stronger, better with age just the same as it can get worse.

[BloodxGusher]

KaiserShep wrote...

BloodxGusher wrote...

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.

You   HAVE   to be trolling. You just have to be.

You seriously just said Mass Effect is more rich than StarTrek, StarWars, Aliens, Dune and ET...For god sakes ET. How did that make your list?

Well, technically he didn't say it was richer, only "better". There's no way Mass Effect is richer than stories that have been around for so much longer, some of which spanning over multiple films, books, comics, etc..

In this context and subject matter, better and richer are pretty much the same. you can't have a Better story while is have no RICH content about it...

Like..Lol

[TheMyron]

Argentoid wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Why is Shepard leaving when there is no reason for Shepard to leave the ship? Better yet, why is she bringing EVERYONE with her, leaving the ship unprotected Where did they go? Omega to get Grunt some lap dances? There was no reason for Shepard to leave.

But I always thought the only reason Shepard left was to take Grunt to Omega for some lap dances.

How many shuttles did they have? Did all twelve squadmates cram into one?

[TheMyron]

If there is a remake for the Trilogy in the future, it should be either:

A.) Remade as one massive (One main menu, three [for lack of a better word] "chapters")downloadable game;

or

B.) Three games remade and rereleased at the same time.

This way, all graphics, controls, and mechanics are a perfect match. See Here.

Modifié par TheMyron, 09 décembre 2013 - 06:22 .

[KaiserShep]

BloodxGusher wrote...

In this context and subject matter, better and richer are pretty much the same. you can't have a Better story while is have no RICH content about it...

No, richer and better are not synonymous with one another. Better is just a subjective description of which general setting you most prefer, not which one has the most written about it, or which has a wider variety of characters or more expansive lore. Warhammer 40K, for instance, has quite a lot more content in its universe than, say, Firefly, but if I had to choose which one I prefer, Firefly would be the one I consider to be better, as I find WH40K wholly unappealing. However better a story is is independent of which one has more details framing it.

Anyway, since when did Mass Effect have no rich content about it, and how does this relate to its story? 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 décembre 2013 - 06:35 .

[BloodxGusher]

KaiserShep wrote...

BloodxGusher wrote...

In this context and subject matter, better and richer are pretty much the same. you can't have a Better story while is have no RICH content about it...

No, "better" is simply a subjective term for the universe of your preference, whereas rich simply means which one has more content under its belt. Having more content does not automatically make it better. For instance, Warhammer has tons of content, but I would not consider it better, as I do not particularly like that universe. I would take the Firefly universe long before I take WH40K.

Im talking in a sense to show  progression. I see what you are saying and that definitely apply's when you are comparing two different "worlds". Im talking in a sense of self comparing. Even still, in a comparison fashion, I think it it is safe to say other "worlds" can be thought of as better than ME. ME is relatively new compared to what the OP was comparing it to. While the scale of the story is galactic, StarTrek has touched on concepts ME has 10 fold and so have others. I personally feel ME has tones of room to grow into but with stunts like ME3 ending, that could be cut short. Lol