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[ObserverStatus]

Mcfly616 wrote...
...Dune?......BSG?! ....Aliens???!!!!!!!!!
Oh hellz no you didn't. Your sci-fi debating rights are hereby revoked from this point forward.

Ah c'mon, at least give him the last one. Aliens hasn't been a good sci fi franchise since the 80s and you know it.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, that franchise went downhill considerably at Alien 3. Not even Prometheus gave it a hand.

[Vicious]

The problem is you guys gave the writers WAY too much credit (or perhaps expected too much) and came out disappointed when it turned out they were just writing a video game and didn't put that much thought into making everything fit together or make sense.

[Argentoid]

Linkenski wrote...

"If ME3's ending had been a climactic conclusion" Pfff, as if that's why we don't like it.

Actually Linkenski, there's a lot people who think like that. Not to mention those outside the BSN that play Mass Effect. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 10 décembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[TheMyron]

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah, that franchise went downhill considerably at Alien 3. Not even Prometheus gave it a hand.

What do you think a face-hugged Asari would produce?

Answer here.

[JamesFaith]

Linkenski wrote...

"If ME3's ending had been a climactic conclusion" Pfff, as if that's why we don't like it.

There were so many diffrerent complaints against endings, from rational to completely absurd, that hardly anyone can speak for others as we. 

[Obadiah]

TheMyron wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah, that franchise went downhill considerably at Alien 3. Not even Prometheus gave it a hand.

What do you think a face-hugged Asari would produce?

Answer here.

Funny you should mention that. Ever think, especially from some of the Asari profile pics on this forum, the Asari with their tentacled heads look a little like a face hugger mask, kind of like the Mask (from the movie) except blue?

Modifié par Obadiah, 10 décembre 2013 - 05:36 .

[Display Name Owner]

To be honest I think the whole main plot was just wrong. Shepard going around uniting species when he is in no way a diplomat is a bit silly, the relative lack of actual Reapers is a bit of a waste as well. On the other hand, the massive over inclusion of Cerberus is annoying too.

In a way I don't see what else the devs could have done. They introduced so many plot lines that by the time ME3 rolled around we had to spend more time resolving them than actually exploring any new ones. But yes, as much as I do enjoy ME3 in general, the plot irks me to no end.

[KaiserShep]

A diplomat would have been pretty useless, considering the tasks involved with brokering these alliances, and the people Shepard talks to. Heck Victus doesn't seem to give two sh**s about politicians, so it's not like a politician would have been of any use on Menae. The krogan and geth, well, forget about them.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 décembre 2013 - 10:14 .

[ryanwood2]

there's one problem with me3 its about shepard since shepard had the lazurus project he could come back to life because he had the pacific equipment in him allowing him to be resurrected so technically shepard is not dead as shown in the end of me 3 plus if shepard died his lover would have taken place be it male or female species

[3DandBeyond]

erezike wrote...

I think mass effect pre mass effect 3, has the best Scfi- universe in nowday fiction. I think its much better than enterprise, starwars, battlestar galactica, aliens, starcraft, dune, starship troopers, E.T, Babaylon 5, quake, riddick, warhammer (I never played halo or read hyperion. so i wouldnt know about them.) its just nice to have a live feeling world with fun  lore based combat system and traveling system.


The events of mass effect 3, the amount of nuisances in the plot on a galactic scale are a lot to endure. its not because of space magic. its because of the poor logic behind characters decision making skills or lack of logic. Poor logic behind characters decisions breaks immersion and dumbs down the universe its incredibely hard to recover from something like that.
Mass effect universe without me3. is the best scfi universe out there.(for me) with me3 its probally the worst.

I dont think i am posting this because of a need of further circle jerk. i do hope people here will be able to turn the mass effect salvageable in my eyes. because at its core, its still the best out there.

I agree.  Don't get me wrong-there's a lot I like about ME3, but that's mostly the smaller stories and interaction (and I include pieces of Tuchanka and Rannoch in that).  I know everyone usually points to Tuchanka and Rannoch as great stories-I've done this myself, but they are again rather silly if looked at on a broader scale.  It makes no freaking sense for everyone to stop what they're doing to try and save 1 or 2 planets rather than to create one coordinated attack on the Reapers.  But the bulk of ME3 ends up being about saving Tuchanka, saving Rannoch, and saving Earth.  Those are the "major" stories of the game.  And the people from those places become some sort of rallying point for everything that happens, except within ME humans, krogan, and quarians are mostly outcasts.  So, of course it makes complete sense that saving their homeworlds (and Rannoch isn't even populated except by geth, Tuchanka is mostly a wasteland and Earth is as bad off as Palaven) becomes paramount.

ME3, as I've repeatedly said, not only ends badly but begins badly.  There's no way that Hackett and Anderson would have let Shepard (as their MVP) sit in detention knowing what they knew.  They would have provided cover for events of the Arrival and more would have been done to rebuild the fleet (if it was decimated in ME1).  And Vega's story makes no sense given the events of ME2.  As well as all the other things that were neglected or made irrelevant that happened in ME2-like the Collector base, the Omega plague, and much more.

I, like you, do think this is something worth salvaging somehow, but BW going forward really must use that lore bible they claim to have-and remember the story up until the end.  I love this kind of story but totally dislike what they did to it.

[Obadiah]

KaiserShep wrote...

A diplomat would have been pretty useless, considering the tasks involved with brokering these alliances, and the people Shepard talks to. Heck Victus doesn't seem to give two sh**s about politicians, so it's not like a politician would have been of any use on Menae. The krogan and geth, well, forget about them.

ME always drew a weird line between politicians and... um... do-ers (?, like solidiers, etc...), which is kinda silly, since some politicians are quite capable soldiers. Anyway, a politician would have probably been useful on board the Normandy, as often they can see terms of brokering agreements that are not so obvious (especially if that's something they are used to doing).

[Erez Kristal]

Obadiah wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

A diplomat would have been pretty useless, considering the tasks involved with brokering these alliances, and the people Shepard talks to. Heck Victus doesn't seem to give two sh**s about politicians, so it's not like a politician would have been of any use on Menae. The krogan and geth, well, forget about them.

ME always drew a weird line between politicians and... um... do-ers (?, like solidiers, etc...), which is kinda silly, since some politicians are quite capable soldiers. Anyway, a politician would have probably been useful on board the Normandy, as often they can see terms of brokering agreements that are not so obvious (especially if that's something they are used to doing).

Would have made a great addon.

Shepard is potrayed more like a medieval lord.

Modifié par erezike, 10 décembre 2013 - 05:14 .

[AlanC9]

Obadiah wrote...
ME always drew a weird line between politicians and... um... do-ers (?, like solidiers, etc...), which is kinda silly, since some politicians are quite capable soldiers. Anyway, a politician would have probably been useful on board the Normandy, as often they can see terms of brokering agreements that are not so obvious (especially if that's something they are used to doing).

It's a fairly common SF trope. Stargate did this all the time. Star Trek TOS too. Also original BSG. I don't think B5 counts since the civilian government turns out to actually be evil rather than incompetent.

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:33 .

[Argentoid]

ryanwood2 wrote...

there's one problem with me3 its about shepard since shepard had the lazurus project he could come back to life because he had the pacific equipment in him allowing him to be resurrected so technically shepard is not dead as shown in the end of me 3 plus if shepard died his lover would have taken place be it male or female species

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[Linkenski]

Argentoid wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

"If ME3's ending had been a climactic conclusion" Pfff, as if that's why we don't like it.

Actually Linkenski, there's a lot people who think like that. Not to mention those outside the BSN that play Mass Effect. 

Wait, maybe I take it back anyway, because it just occured to me that ME2 has a kinda bad ending too objectively speaking but I think it's the most amazing moment in the trilogy simply because it was climactic and my choices felt like they were in the center focus throughout the entire mission. Maybe if ME3's ending had been extra boom and less pseudo-philosophical I would've liked it more.