thats1evildude wrote...
It states that the Grey Wardens sometimes use blood magic. What of it? We already knew that.
It does not say "The Joining is blood magic."
thats1evildude wrote...
It states that the Grey Wardens sometimes use blood magic. What of it? We knew that.
It does not say "The Joining is blood magic."
No other mentions. Fallstick is a self proclaimed worshipper of Old Gods, so it might be just one that we are no familiar with.Dayze wrote...
Any other references to the "Man of Light" aside from that guy?
Dayze wrote...
Any other references to the "Man of Light" aside from that guy?
Where in the DLC, does it state the joining is blood magic? This could just be conjecture of the person writing the article......though like Evildude said, it's not like wardens don't allow blood magic.eluvianix wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
It states that the Grey Wardens sometimes use blood magic. What of it? We already knew that.
It does not say "The Joining is blood magic."
"In the Warden's Keep DLC, the Warden learns of an ancient Grey Warden mage named Avernus who utilized blood magic to manipulate the darkspawn taint used in the Joining (the Joining itself being a form of blood magic)."
My bet is that OSC barely glanced over it. Anyways, the Man of Light is supposedly the name that Fallstick attributed to the Old God he worshipped.Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Did OSC bother to do any reading on DA's background/lore/setting/tone? Gleam? Fallstick? Man of Light? What is this.
Maybe it was a plot thread the writer was using before the issues got cancelled?JulianWellpit wrote...
Dayze wrote...
Any other references to the "Man of Light" aside from that guy?
Nope. Maybe the Man of Light is the same thing with the Ascended Man. Maybe it's an old and lost aspect of the Old God religion Old Tevinter had.
MisterJB wrote...
I am giving you the lore as stated by the writers of the game. The ratio was an assumption, yes, but the fact remains that blood taken forcefully and through great suffering offers more power than any other.Inprea wrote...
Do you have any proof that Jowan tortured Conor's mother to get enough power for the blood ritual? That or exactly how painful was it when he stabbed himself granting him enough power to knock several templars on their tails?
Who did Malcolm Hawke torture to reinforce Cory's prison? I didn't see any evidence that he used blood other then his own.
You're throwing out some very big numbers there. How about offering some lore that gives the actual ratio instead of just assuming that blood taken painfully is one hundred times more potent then that given willingly?
The fact that Jowan required Isolde's life rather than simply have the survivors of Redcliff make a line and offer the equivalent amount of blood that is in a normal person suggests that there are, in fact, effects of blood magic that can't be reproducedd without pain and death of the subject.
eluvianix wrote...
My bet is that OSC barely glanced over it. Anyways, the Man of Light is supposedly the name that Fallstick attributed to the Old God he worshipped.Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Did OSC bother to do any reading on DA's background/lore/setting/tone? Gleam? Fallstick? Man of Light? What is this.
HiroVoid wrote...
Maybe it was a plot thread the writer was using before the issues got cancelled?JulianWellpit wrote...
Dayze wrote...
Any other references to the "Man of Light" aside from that guy?
Nope. Maybe the Man of Light is the same thing with the Ascended Man. Maybe it's an old and lost aspect of the Old God religion Old Tevinter had.
Modifié par JulianWellpit, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:23 .
JulianWellpit wrote...
The Joining was developed by the Tevinter magisters, so I wouldn't be that sure.
Modifié par thats1evildude, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:25 .
Modifié par HiroVoid, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:24 .
thats1evildude wrote...
Oh, there it is. Well, whatever. The Wiki is not quoting anything stated in the game and is not 100 per cent accurate.
Show me a Codex, a reference in the World of Thedas or a developer post stated "The Joining is blood magic, yo" and I'll concede the point.
eluvianix wrote...
Sh***y blood mage? And there were plenty of Wardens down on the battle field that you never meet. Why would you have had to meet this one?The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
This was one ****ty blood mage then. And why couldn't my mage chat up this "blood mage" who was ostagar at all? Why couldn't I meet any other wardens for that matter? Where the heck were they that whole time?
JulianWellpit wrote...
During day, they were busy
gathering all that wood that Duncan used to make that fire he was
standing next to with your dog (if you are a noble). Night time - they
probably had their last lunch and beauty sleep.
HiroVoid wrote...
I'm guessing Bioware's going with the case of 'It's canon until it contradicts someting we do.'
Dayze wrote...
Well....its blood used in a magical ritual....
Modifié par eluvianix, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:37 .
thats1evildude wrote...
Oh, there it is. Well, whatever. The Wiki is not quoting anything stated in the game and is not 100 per cent accurate.
Show me a Codex, a reference in the World of Thedas or a developer post stated "The Joining is blood magic, yo" and I'll concede the point.JulianWellpit wrote...
The Joining was developed by the Tevinter magisters, so I wouldn't be that sure.
The first Wardens were soldiers who effectively renounced their allegiances to the Imperium. There were mages in that group, to be sure, but it would be unfair to say the magisters came up with the idea.
My use of the word "likely" in my original post means that I did not try to pass it off as a fact.Inprea wrote...
Please keep your assumptions to yourself or at least don't try to pass them off as fact.
If we accept that Thedas is a contained universe, then it follows that there isn't a "storyline" and if Jowan didn't suggest just gathering five or so liters of blood from the people of Redcliff, it's because it wouldn't have worked. Same for the lyrium.Are you certain that the need to take her life was due to a mechanic of the blood magic or an aspect of the storyline? After all. My Warden had a large chunk of raw lyrium with her at the time from Orzimmar. Why didn't the Warden simply voluntere that chunk of lyrium to power the spell the moment lyrium was mentioned?
Maybe the blood has to be drawn with the specific purpose of performing a ritual.Another option would have been to use all the blood spilled on the ground from the violently killed mind controlled guards.
MisterJB wrote...
Maybe the blood has to be drawn with the specific purpose of performing a ritual.
eluvianix wrote...
Bah. I give up. I am trying to scour the DLC on YT to support my claim, but so many people won't drink the damned potion or even listen Avernus talk about blood magic/Joining.
MisterJB wrote...
My use of the word "likely" in my original post means that I did not try to pass it off as a fact.Inprea wrote...
Please keep your assumptions to yourself or at least don't try to pass them off as fact.If we accept that Thedas is a contained universe, then it follows that there isn't a "storyline" and if Jowan didn't suggest just gathering five or so liters of blood from the people of Redcliff, it's because it wouldn't have worked. Same for the lyrium.Are you certain that the need to take her life was due to a mechanic of the blood magic or an aspect of the storyline? After all. My Warden had a large chunk of raw lyrium with her at the time from Orzimmar. Why didn't the Warden simply voluntere that chunk of lyrium to power the spell the moment lyrium was mentioned?
Of course, Thedas isn't real and while I don't doubt the necessity of killing Isolde was to add drama, it is David Gaider's world and it functions by his rules. And his new rule is that, in order for a blood magic spell to be powerful, suffering is required.Maybe the blood has to be drawn with the specific purpose of performing a ritual.Another option would have been to use all the blood spilled on the ground from the violently killed mind controlled guards.
What makes it likely is the fact that Bioware has claimed it is so. If pain and death give power to blood magic, then, logically, blood magic that lacks either will be weakened. By how much, I don't know; but it will be.Inprea wrote...
What makes it likely? Jowan didn't need to torture anyone to knock group of templars flat, there is no evidence to show Hawke's father used anything other then his own blood or that he's the type of person who would and I don't recall any proof that Merille used any blood other then her own to compensate for lacking piles of lyrium.
Because if it was unprepared lyrium, Jowan couldn't even get close to it without dying on the spot.Tthe lyrium from the circle works just fine and Jowan didn't know of the lyrium the Warden was packing if I'm not mistaken. So once again why didn't the Warden mention the large chunk of lyrium she was packing?
What Mr.Gaider has done is alter the rules of his setting.This is a storyline after all and at times writers will ignore the rules of their own setting for the sake of drama or the rule of cool or do you believe Gaider is above such things?
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