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[Lord Raijin]

Mike Smith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

Loghain isn't the one who put Duncan on the front line-that was Cailan. Cailan has more to do with Duncan's death than Loghain.

True but Loghain still aided the Darkspawn, and by doing that caused the deaths of so many that included the King and the Commander of the Grey. He then started to attack surviving grey wardens.

[Mike3207]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

Loghain isn't the one who put Duncan on the front line-that was Cailan. Cailan has more to do with Duncan's death than Loghain.

True but Loghain still aided the Darkspawn, and by doing that caused the deaths of so many that included the King and the Commander of the Grey. He then started to attack surviving grey wardens.

That brings up a separate point-was Ostagar winnable? Duncan tells you that there are thousands of darkspawn, maybe ten thousand or more. he also says the darkspawn look to outnumber the forces at Ostagar. If that's the case, would the charge have saved Cailan or destroyed the army?I can't say the acting Commander didn't make the right choice.

[ScarMK]

Lord Raijin wrote...

True but Loghain still aided the Darkspawn, and by doing that caused the deaths of so many that included the King and the Commander of the Grey. He then started to attack surviving grey wardens.

Where is TEWR when you need him?

Modifié par ScarMK, 09 décembre 2013 - 07:18 .

[Br3admax]

My Pro-Anora "canon" Warden ruled with her. As cool as Alistair maybe, he's an idiot. I literally wouldn't trust him to lead anyone to lunch, let alone an entire country.

[Hellion Rex]

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

True but Loghain still aided the Darkspawn, and by doing that caused the deaths of so many that included the King and the Commander of the Grey. He then started to attack surviving grey wardens.

Where is TEWR when you need him?

Oh no. Don't tell me you are a Loghain fan?

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

My Pro-Anora "canon" Warden ruled with her. As cool as Alistair maybe, he's an idiot. I literally wouldn't trust him to lead anyone to lunch, let alone an entire country.

Who knows. He might very well surprise you.

[ScarMK]

eluvianix wrote...
Oh no. Don't tell me you are a Loghain fan?

Not his biggest supporter, but I don't think he deserves as much flak as he gets.

[HiroVoid]

Lathrim wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

My Pro-Anora "canon" Warden ruled with her. As cool as Alistair maybe, he's an idiot. I literally wouldn't trust him to lead anyone to lunch, let alone an entire country.

Who knows. He might very well surprise you.

I'm not counting on being surprised when the man in question chose to act on vengeance over the wellbeing of his nation.

Alistair was perfectly reasonable when he didn't want to become king and then wanted to just to get revenge on Loghain rather than because he genuinely wanted to make the nation better.

[Hellion Rex]

Lathrim wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

My Pro-Anora "canon" Warden ruled with her. As cool as Alistair maybe, he's an idiot. I literally wouldn't trust him to lead anyone to lunch, let alone an entire country.

Who knows. He might very well surprise you.

I'm not counting on being surprised when the man in question chose to act on vengeance over the wellbeing of his nation.

Well considering Loghain got a crap ton of people killed, yeah, I still think Alistair was completely justified.

[The Elder King]

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

 I didn't say nothing about Loghain deserving to die for what happened at Ostagar. I was discussing the fact that you stated that Loghain was power-hungry, while you think that Eamon is a fine advisor. In the case Alistair rules alone unhardened, with Eamon as advisor, the latter has the control of the nation.
Loghain has many flaws, but he's not power-hungry. He didn't do what he did because he wanted to be king. And the fact that he's responsible for the death of the people that died at Ostagar is completely irrelevant to the discussion about him being ambitious.

[DashRashh]

Lord Raijin wrote...

This is what I feel about Anora.



Anora is very power hungry and very much like her father. I do not trust her to run a country. She refused to execute her father for what he had done to her husband and to the Wardens, and not to mention to the people of Ferelden. She was quick to throw the "execute him" stamp on Alistair if you side with her during the landsmeet whereas Alistair just put her in jail, and didn't wanted harm to come to her. He was very passionate about it too.

Alistair originally did not wanted to become King because he was afraid. He did not know how to be a King since he was never properly guided into that direction. With Arl Eamon as his tutor Alistair would be a very good king, and for that alone I entrust Alistair to become King of Ferelden.

That's why I put Alistair alone on the throne and the Hero is leading the Grey Wardens 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

My first two times I picked Alistair (at the time I still didn't understand the hardening mechanics) and in the third run I picked Anora.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

My first two times I picked Alistair (at the time I still didn't understand the hardening mechanics) and in the third run I picked Anora.

Did you keep Alistair as a Warden?

[Dayze]

Male Cousland+Anora on throne

Exiled Alistair

But Warden goes off w/Morrigan leaving Anora to rule

[Jedi Master of Orion]

eluvianix wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

My first two times I picked Alistair (at the time I still didn't understand the hardening mechanics) and in the third run I picked Anora.

Did you keep Alistair as a Warden?

Oh, yes I did. That Warden was a female Aeducan who believed the sacred duty of fighting darkspawn is a calling even above being King or Queen. Plus she didn't have much reverance for the significance of the Therin bloodline because in Orzammar the Assembly names the rulers.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 décembre 2013 - 09:47 .

[FemHawke FTW]

 My canon Warden put an unhardened Alistair and Anora together to rule Ferelden as King and Queen.  Anora has a good mind for politics and Alistair is a kind man of the people the the citizens can whole heartedly support.

[Gervaise]

First run through I made Alistair king but turned down Morrigan, originally intending to make the sacrifice myself and then at the last moment was persuaded by Alistair to let him do the noble thing, so Anora ended up queen after all.
My preferred option subsequently was to marry them off, as I thought it was a good way to reconcile both sides and Anora could do the tiresome business of actually ruling while Alistair was the popular figurehead. (It was only after coming to the boards I discovered that you could "harden" Alistair and thus make him a more effective ruler).
I must admit my favourite/most amusing option was for my male Cousland Warden to spare Loghain, marry Anora and become her consort, whilst retaining Zevran as his lover. Clearly Anora didn't seem to have a problem with this arrangement because by the end of Awakening she was apparently demonstrating real pleasure at his return to her side. In this version he persuaded Anora to spare Alistair and he ended up drunk in Kirkwall. This Warden would have made a very effective joint ruler because I played him as clearly a politically astute fellow. Incidentally he also won round Loghain, who gladly sacrificed himself having now become convinced that he had left Ferelden in good hands.

[Northern Sun]

Canon warden has hardened Alistair and Anora married, with Loghain alive.

[Dabrikishaw]

I did them all at least once, but my personal canon has a Hardened Alistair ruling alone.

[Hellion Rex]

Always had a hardened Alistair on the throne, who had his mage Amell as his most trusted friend and advisor. Don't need no stinking Anora when he has me!

[Barquiel]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Anora rules alone (she is smart, and clearly knows what she's doing)
Alistair duels Loghain and remains a warden (that's exactly what he wanted to do)

Everyone is happy (...except for Loghain)

And the city elfs.

You're right. But what was she suppose to do in that situation? She eased restrictions on the city elves...and the elves responded to that by causing a riot the next time there was a food shortage (I guess the darkspawn destroyed much of the farmland).

[Mr.House]

Alistair and Anora.

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

I never saw Loghain making deals with Orlais and ready to give Ferelden to them on a silver platter. What I did see Loghain do is warrent a tactical retreat and leavign a man who was an idiot to die.