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[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

I never saw Loghain making deals with Orlais and ready to give Ferelden to them on a silver platter. What I did see Loghain do is warrent a tactical retreat and leavign a man who was an idiot to die.

Don't forget the selling of elven slaves to Tevinter as well! Truly, Loghain is a real class act.<_<

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Yes, Loghain is power-hungry, while Eamon isn't? Please.

Eamon isn't responsible for the death of Alistairs father and Duncan whereas Loghain is for aiding the Darkspawn.

Loghain is a war criminal and for that warrents an execution.

I never saw Loghain making deals with Orlais and ready to give Ferelden to them on a silver platter. What I did see Loghain do is warrent a tactical retreat and leavign a man who was an idiot to die.

Don't forget the selling of elven slaves to Tevinter as well! Truly, Loghain is a real class act.<_<

He did that because Ferelden needed money for the army, anyone would have done anything to make sure the army was funded. People seem to think he that for because lolevil.

[Mr.House]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Did you show that traitor the noose?

[Dave of Canada]

Anora and Cousland. Anora is competent and the Hero of Ferelden is well-loved, establishes the Cousland house as the strongest house in Ferelden and Loghain is now the Warden's father-in-law. Alistair is executed for abandoning his Grey Warden oath and being the only one who can contest my Warden's position.

[Hellion Rex]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

[AresKeith]

Anora and Alistair

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

You talking about Cailan and Eamon now.

[LinksOcarina]

My first playthrough had Anora and Alister marry, with me killing Loghain.

my favorite scenario, the one I will be doing for my main playthrough, will be that, except Loghain becomes a Warden and survives. I have a feeling we shall see him again some day...

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

You talking about Cailan and Eamon now.

I would hardly call cementing an alliance when you need help being a traitor.

[Milan92]

Male Warden with Anora.

[DarkDragon777]

Anora

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

You talking about Cailan and Eamon now.

I would hardly call cementing an alliance when you need help being a traitor.

How is marrying Cailan to Celean so Orlais can have full access to Ferelden and allowing them to enter with no issues and throwing the current queen who is a better ruler then Cailan to the side not treason?

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

I would hardly call cementing an alliance when you need help being a traitor.

Cailan was going to become the consort of Celene. Ferelden would've been again under Orlais's rule. Fereldans would've probably called him a traitor.

Modifié par hhh89, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:32 .

[Iron Star]

I'm planning on doing one final, super-(personal)canon playthrough before the release of DA:I. In it Anora'll rule alone, and I'll exile Alistair. It's a pity he becomes a drunk in DA2, but hopefully he'll get his act together in inquisition.

Truth be told I don't really care about who rules Ferelden, the most important part about the landsmeet is to save Loghain. I hope he'll at least have some importance in DAI.

Modifié par Get fired up, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:38 .

[Vulpe]

eluvianix wrote...
Don't forget the selling of elven slaves to Tevinter as well! Truly, Loghain is a real class act.<_<

eluvianix wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

Loghain is a tragic hero. I doubt that Maric would have succeded in freeing Ferelden without him. I think that Loghain was more important than Maric when it comed to the rebellion. Maric had the blood and the right to the throne while Loghain had the skill needed in dealing with their situation. If I had to compare their contribution and importance, I would say that it would be 30/70 for Loghain.Of course, neighter of them would have succeded without Rowan.
So in the end it would have been 20% Maric , 35% Rowan and 45% Loghain.

He sacrificed everything for Ferelden, only to destroy it when he got older. A very tragic character. 

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:42 .

[Angrywolves]

UH, traitor is too strong a word.
The Therin bloodline needed to continue or at least find someone else who could provide an heir. So Cailen needed an heir orf a successor some where down the line.. You could argue that maybe he was sterile and maybe someone else could father the heir, Bann Teagan or a male Cousland and they, meaning Cailen could lie and say he was the father. Would at least have delayed Loghain's treachery, although I believe per Flemeth's prediction, that he meaning Loghain was destined to be a traitor.
I suspect the players who saved Loghain and turned Allistair into a drunk are a small minority, but they're entitled to do that although I never would.
shrugs.

[Vulpe]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Anora. Not much of a choice when my only other option decided to take his ball and run away because I wouldn't kill Ferelden's greatest hero.

Ha. More like Ferelden's biggest traitor.

You talking about Cailan and Eamon now.

I would hardly call cementing an alliance when you need help being a traitor.

How is marrying Cailan to Celean so Orlais can have full access to Ferelden and allowing them to enter with no issues and throwing the current queen who is a better ruler then Cailan to the side not treason?

It would have destroyed two dynasties. It is hinted that Cailan was the infertile one so he would have f***d two nations, leaving them without a further king/queen and thus causing civil unrest and possible civil wars.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:47 .

[Hellion Rex]

JulianWellpit wrote...


It would have destroyed two dinasties. It is hinted that Cailan was the infertile one so he would have f***d two nations, leaving them without a further king/queen and thus causing civil unrest and possible civil wars.

Actually, it hinted at Anora being the infertile one, hence the marriage to Celene.

[Afro_Explosion]

eluvianix wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...


It would have destroyed two dinasties. It is hinted that Cailan was the infertile one so he would have f***d two nations, leaving them without a further king/queen and thus causing civil unrest and possible civil wars.

Actually, it hinted at Anora being the infertile one, hence the marriage to Celene.

I thought it was ambiguous, as common as it was in those times to blame a woman for a mans failings

Modifié par mx_keep13, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...


It would have destroyed two dinasties. It is hinted that Cailan was the infertile one so he would have f***d two nations, leaving them without a further king/queen and thus causing civil unrest and possible civil wars.

Actually, it hinted at Anora being the infertile one, hence the marriage to Celene.

Both could be sterile, for all we know. Eamon said that she might be infertile because they didn't have a child yet, but if Cailan was steril, Anora couldn't have a baby. Unless we found out that Cailan has a child (he surely cheated on Anora), we'll never know, considering that her possible husbands have both low chances of reproduce.

[Vulpe]

eluvianix wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...


It would have destroyed two dinasties. It is hinted that Cailan was the infertile one so he would have f***d two nations, leaving them without a further king/queen and thus causing civil unrest and possible civil wars.

Actually, it hinted at Anora being the infertile one, hence the marriage to Celene.

Cailan was a ladies man. Anora said it.He even seems the type of guy. He sleept with multiple women and still no little Cailans around.Compared to his father, that was emotionaly imature, he slept with women for the funMaric only slept with 3 women from what we know : his elven lover, Rowan and Fiona. He left 2 out of 3 pregnant. It is believed that Cailan slept with many more, yet no bastard.If he had one that was kept as a secret then he would have been pointed out and made as a ruler at his coming of age ; until then a regency would have been formed, with Eamon leading it most likely.

Remember that in those times the woman was always accused of infertility and that was Anora's fate. She could be infertile now because she is older, but I really think that Prince Charming was the one that had some problems.

I will laugh so hard if we find out that Alistair left Anora pregnant.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 09 décembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[Killdren88]

I don't give two damns about Loghain's past heroics. He is a traitor and therefore shall be put to death as such.

[Vulpe]

Killdren88 wrote...

I don't give two damns about Loghain's past heroics. He is a traitor and therefore shall be put to death as such.

Well, it isn't just heroics. Without him Ferelden probably woud have been still under orlesian occupation, Maric would have most likely died and then no more Cailan and Alistair.