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[Rodia Driftwood]

Alistair and Anora, if not, just Alistair. After reading the books, I feel like Ferelden's throne belongs to the Theirin.

[HiroVoid]

Alistair and Anora married. Loghain in wardens.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Fredvdp wrote...

In the storyline that I will carry over into Inquisition, Anora is queen. The reason is that I didn't want to put a grey warden on the throne for several reasons. First of all, it may seem like a coup, and second of all, the grey wardens take no part in the affairs of men. Anora also seemed like a much more capable ruler.

I know this is preached in the game but if you listen to Riordan the Warden's do rule in the Anderfels.  So why shouldn't a warden rule in Ferelden?  I understand what you're saying since I do have a warden who has Anora ruling alone.  This is just something that bothers me on the lore.  We're told as wardens not to get involved in politics yet Wardens rule in the Anderfels and according to Riordan the people of the Anderfels prefer it this way.  Always seemed like a double standard to me.  Just sayin'.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 10 décembre 2013 - 03:54 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

1st save - Anora and Alistair
2nd save - My character and Alistair

[lil yonce]

Anora and my Human Noble.

[Peer of the Empire]

Myself of course

The Warden King is boning young Anora every day and night

[The Elder King]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Myself of course

The Warden King is boning young Anora every day and night

Your Warden Prince left Anora and Ferelden. As every Wardens alive (including the Orlesian Warden).

[Icy Magebane]

I always go with Anora.  Alistair is either exiled or executed... usually the latter.  I never force Anora to marry him anymore (used to long, long ago).

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 10 décembre 2013 - 06:26 .

[Marakov7]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Well, I asked him NOT to throw a temper tantrum when I decided to spare Loghain... but his weak little mind just couldn't handle it. This man, who let me make every decision up to that point, now threatens to abandon me and the Grey Wardens and the BLIGHT... if he doesn't get his revenge plot fulfilled.

The very thing that spared Loghain - also stopped me from having him executed... so, maybe not so mean?

You lack of understanding. You see Loghain was hunting down every last Grey warden in Ferelden during the Blight. he would imprison them because he thought in his own insane little mind that he could end the Blight, and could defeat the archdemon himself.... not knowing that it is the tainted blood from the Grey warden that could truly defeat the archdemon. He did it because he wanted to be the hero, not Alistair or the warden, nobody but himself. He became so obsessed with fame that he would risk the lives of everyone in Ferelden to achieve this task.

Alistair had every right to vent his frustrations out on you because you were making a terrible decision when sparing Loghain's life. You were making a mockery out of the Grey wardens by tarnishing it's reputation and honor by forcing this man, who is the enemy of the Grey, to become one of them; a Grey warden. Being a Grey warden should NEVER be a punishment but an honor, and Loghain has none. He is not the same Loghain in the Stolen Throne novel. He is something far worst, unfortunetly.

An addition you would be fuming with red skin and with smoke coming out of your mouth and nostrils if someone who you thought was your bestfriend spared the life of a man that assisted in the death of your brother and your mentor, and then rewarded him by becoming a grey warden.

The "terms of the duel" were clearly laid out by Alfstanna: “It shall be fought according to tradition: a test of arms in single combat until one party yields. And we who assembled will abide by the outcome.”

Executing Loghain after defeating him in the duel, even though he yielded, would have been in direct violation of the terms set forth before the fight began. If the Grey Warden had problems with the terms laid out by Alstanna, he/she should have voiced their disagreement right away. Going ahead and killing Loghain anyway would have been an act of lawlessness - Ferelden had seen enough of that since Ostagar, this had to change.

I would have much preferred being able to try to "talk down" Alistair in an effort to get him to live up to his duty. Perhaps by quoting his hero, Duncan:


“A Grey Warden’s duties take precedence even over vengeance.”
 
“Honor your comrades if you wish, but know that we must press forward. Always, we must press forward.”
 
“Jory was warned that there was no turning back, as were you all.”


Loghain deserved to be thrown in the dungeon and, after the blight was ended, given a public trial and executed as a traitor so all the people could see, thus ruining his reputation. However, the senior Grey Warden present (Riordan)...the only one who actually knew the details of how to defeat the archdemon...said that there was a compelling reason to make Loghain a Grey Warden. It only made sense to go along with his plan.

[Addai]

My preferred ending is hardened Alistair ruling with Anora, with or without a Warden mistress. If without, then Loghain in the Wardens.

[DashRashh]

Hope we will see our grey warden in dragon age inquisition

[Argahawk]

I always choose Anora and execute or exile Alistair.

[Lavaeolus]

I put a hardened Alistair and Anora on the throne, in the hopes of getting the strengths of both, and putting an end to any "No, X should rule" arguments that could be raised in the Landsmeet or any future civil war.

Alistair forsook the Wardens when I spared Loghain, so hey, no worries about putting a Warden on the throne there.

[Joy Divison]

Hardened Alistair w/ Anora

[Plaintiff]

I have Alistair rule alone. I'll go with an untested rookie over a proven failure any day.

[The Elder King]

Plaintiff wrote...

I have Alistair rule alone. I'll go with an untested rookie over a proven failure any day.

When was it stated that Anora is a failure in ruling a country?

[Plaintiff]

hhh89 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I have Alistair rule alone. I'll go with an untested rookie over a proven failure any day.

When was it stated that Anora is a failure in ruling a country?

Why does it have to be 'stated' anywhere? I have the evidence of my own eyes that she's awful at it.

- When her moronic, tactless father publicly insults the memory of the recently deceased, much-beloved king, Anora does nothing to stop him.

- When the banns and arls rebel, Anora makes no attempt to broker peace through diplomatic means, even though, as queen, that is totally her job. Instead she hides behind her idiot father and lets him slaughter men that they desperately need to fend off the darkspawn.

- When she became suspicious of Howe, she should've sent a spy, or invited him to meet her in the castle, where she would have home court advantage. Instead, she blundered into an obvious trap and was forced to beg a complete stranger for help. So not only is she incapable of ruling a country, she's not even capable of making good decisions about her own personal safety. She shouldn't even be allowed to use metal cutlery.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 11 décembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I have Alistair rule alone. I'll go with an untested rookie over a proven failure any day.

When was it stated that Anora is a failure in ruling a country?

If anything, I think she's way too damn smart.

[Hazegurl]

I married Anora and still became Commander of the Grey. My Male Cousland hates Alistair and doesn't see him as a fit King for Fereldan.

[The Elder King]

@Plaintiff: I forgot to include in my post about showing example in-game. My fault.
As for 1) and 2), I recall that before Cailan's death in theory she didn't have the power to rule. Cailan was the one in charge formally. When Cailan died, she nominated his father regent, giving him power to rule (which is Indeed a mistake, since I don't think Loghain has the quality to rule); she wasn't in full power; she might have make him step down, but she didn't realize his father's mistake until it was too late. And for her perspective, her father was in the right: she wasn't at Ostagar. She coudn't know what her father did. And when Loghain insulted publicy the memory of Cailan? As far as I recall Cailan talked once before the Landsmeet in public, and in neither cases he insulted Cailan. He insulted Cailan in front of Howe and Anora, which is hardly a public event.
As for Howe's case, it happens after the Warden is known to be in Denerim. She might have let herself being captured to prompt the Warden to rescue her and kill Howe, considering that she knew that Eamon would've died to have her support against Loghain.

In the end I think that Anora has many flaws, but she's neither a moron or incapable of ruling a country. We have to agree to disagree.

Modifié par hhh89, 11 décembre 2013 - 01:30 .

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I have Alistair rule alone. I'll go with an untested rookie over a proven failure any day.

When was it stated that Anora is a failure in ruling a country?

If anything, I think she's way too damn smart.

And ambitious. My favourite solution is to put and hardened Alistair on the throne with her. And I never put Alistair unhardened on the throne, neither alone of with Anora, since he's too easily manipulated by Anora, Eamon or the Warden. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Plaintiff wrote...

Why does it have to be 'stated' anywhere? I have the evidence of my own eyes that she's awful at it.

- When her moronic, tactless father publicly insults the memory of the recently deceased, much-beloved king, Anora does nothing to stop him.

Is Anora supposed to be clairvoyant and stop insulting remarks before they happen? Or, worse yet, whine about it?

- When the banns and arls rebel, Anora makes no attempt to broker peace through diplomatic means, even though, as queen, that is totally her job.

Right... except, of course, when she brokers an alliance with the 'Warden to take down her father at the Landsmeet.

She's not Wonderwoman. She wasn't going to solve this problem overnight.

Instead she hides behind her idiot father and lets him slaughter men that they desperately need to fend off the darkspawn.

Those men decided they would rather oppose the throne than make sure the Blight was taken care of first.

Loghain had every right to put them down. No one in their right mind would oppose this action.

- When she became suspicious of Howe, she should've sent a spy, or invited him to meet her in the castle, where she would have home court advantage. Instead, she blundered into an obvious trap and was forced to beg a complete stranger for help. So not only is she incapable of ruling a country, she's not even capable of making good decisions about her own personal safety. She shouldn't even be allowed to use metal cutlery.

Retrospective determinism. Unlike the player, Anora doesn't have hindsight on her side before going to Howe. It's easy to say "she should have known it was going to happen" since the elf maiden tells us everything in a way that makes it obvious how it will unfold, but before it happens, it's really not something she could have forseen. It wasn't even a "trap" let alone an "obvious" one given the fact Howe's actions were improvised; he didn't bait her to his estate or anything.

If that's the criteria we're using to judge competance, should Alistair be blamed for walking into an "obvious trap" at Ostagar? What about saving Anora and getting captured at Fort Drakon? 'Seems like a pretty arbitrary standard to me.

[Fast Jimmy]

hhh89 wrote...

@Plaintiff: I forgot to include in my post about showing example in-game. My fault.
As for 1) and 2), I recall that before Cailan's death in theory she didn't have the power to rule. Cailan was the one in charge formally. When Cailan died, she nominated his father regent, giving him power to rule (which is Indeed a mistake, since I don't think Loghain has the quality to rule); she wasn't in full power; she might have make him step down, but she didn't realize his father's mistake until it was too late. And for her perspective, her father was in the right: she wasn't at Ostagar. She coudn't know what her father did. And when Loghain insulted publicy the memory of Cailan? As far as I recall Cailan talked once before the Landsmeet in public, and in neither cases he insulted Cailan. He insulted Cailan in front of Howe and Anora, which is hardly a public event.
As for Howe's case, it happens after the Warden is known to be in Denerim. She might have let herself being captured to prompt the Warden to rescue her and kill Howe, considering that she knew that Eamon would've died to have her support against Loghain.

In the end I think that Anora has many flaws, but she's neither a moron or incapable of ruling a country. We have to agree to disagree.

Agreed. The main reason Anora hands power over to Loghain is because she knows the scoreboard... she's the daughter of a commoner-made-lord. While Loghain may have had the street cred amongst the nobles and military to wield his title, his daughter would have been contested in a heartbeat, smart and talented or not. She was Cailan's wife, nothing more. Only a minor legal technicality let her have any claim to the throne... and minor legal technicalities have a way of disappearing following regicides. 

Anora had no choice but to hand the reigns to her father and also no reason to suspect he plotted her husband's death. Once she figured that out, she quickly allied herself with another side (the winning side, I might point out) so that she could both live another day as well as salvage as much power as she could.

That's hardly failing. At anything.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 11 décembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[The Elder King]

@HYR 2.0: In Which trap Alistair fell at Ostagar?

Modifié par hhh89, 11 décembre 2013 - 02:06 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

hhh89 wrote...

Which trap Alistair walked in at Ostagar?

The whole Tower of Ishaal diversion. Not that I'm serious about it, just illustrating how it's silly to use hindsight to declare that the outcome of something was "obvious." Don't get hung up on this point. It's the least important thing I wrote.