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[Hazegurl]

Ryzaki wrote...

That didn't stop them for letting that idiot put guns on the liveships. (Also I'm almost certain it's a case of loser's remorse. They were all HOMEWORLD! when winning but the second the reapers upgrade happened the qqing started). Otherwise I really can't make sense of the vast majority of people being anti war not to mention the admirals have to step down if they override the conclave. That clearly didn't happen. So most of them in power wanted this war and I'm not buying it just being those in power that wanted it.

Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

[Sir DeLoria]

Ryzaki wrote...

That didn't stop them for letting that idiot put guns on the liveships. (Also I'm almost certain it's a case of loser's remorse. They were all HOMEWORLD! when winning but the second the reapers upgrade happened the qqing started). Otherwise I really can't make sense of the vast majority of people being anti war not to mention the admirals have to step down if they override the conclave. That clearly didn't happen. So most of them in power wanted this war and I'm not buying it just being those in power that wanted it.

That's total speculation, we don't know how many Captains were in favor of attacking the Geth. Even if they were in favor, I don't blame them, humans would've done the exact same thing. Xen's weapon was very promising and the Quarians wiped the Veil all the way to Rannoch Geth free without almost no casualties at all. No one could've possibly predicted the Reapers interfering. But even if the majority of Quarian civilians was in favor of the attack, murdering them wouldn't ever have been justifiable. Most Japanese civilians were in favor of the war, that didn't mean the US could've just levered the entire country and killed every last civilian if they had refused to surrender.

[Ryzaki]

knucks360 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That didn't stop them for letting that idiot put guns on the liveships. (Also I'm almost certain it's a case of loser's remorse.

So instead the liveships should all be unarmed and have no means of self-defense in a warzone? Because we all know the Geth care about unarmed civilians.


In times of war, the Admiralty Board has the power to override the conclaves desicions, so there is no way you can assume the civilians leaders wanted to go to war. And with 3 out of 5 of the Admirals(if Tali is alive) voting to attack Rannoch, they are able to do as such.

Actually if you talk to EDI there's a high chance the Geth would've ignored said liveships as a non priority target. Instead of the priority target they were.

They have to resign after overwriting the conclave.

They don't.

Clearly they didn't do so.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:35 .

[Ryzaki]

Hazegurl wrote...

Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

For my sanity I assume once Koris realized Gerrel had killed himself he was one of those few ships that tried to retreat. (Then again when I side with the geth I usually let Koris die on Rannoch and save his crew so I don't have to deal with that facepalm "ATTACK ATTACK THE GETH ARE OFFLINE ATTACK!" ) You'd thought Gerrel would've learned something from the first time I punched his ass in the stomach after telling him to retreat and not attack but nooooooooo. I do have to sigh at his what have I done face. Nice leadership there Gerrel. Lead them right to their graves. Clearly disobeying direct orders by your fellow admirals who know more about the situation than you do gets you far in life. *sigh*

Necanor wrote...
That's total speculation, we don't know how many Captains were in favor of attacking the Geth. Even if they were in
favor, I don't blame them, humans would've done the exact same thing. Xen's weapon was very promising and the Quarians wiped the Veil all the way to Rannoch Geth free without almost no casualties at all. No one could've possibly predicted the Reapers interfering. But even if the majority of Quarian civilians was in favor of the attack, murdering them wouldn't ever have been justifiable. Most Japanese civilians were in favor of the war, that didn't mean the US could've just levered the entire country and killed every last civilian if they had refused to surrender.

Had to be enough for a majority otherwise the admirals would've had to overrun and they wouldn't be admirals anymore.

Andif humans had done the same thing at the same time they'd been idiots and deserved anything they got for being so nearsighted and idiotic. Making new enemies when you already have one fully capable of kicking your ass on it's on is shortsighted and foolish and will bite you in the ass.

The US dropped an atomic bomb on a civilian population. Yes sometimes you have to kill innocents for people to get the you need to stop message.

And anyone who actually thought the war would end that easily knowing the Reapers were out there and had dealings with the Geth were idiots. Also why do they need to be warmongering idiots when they haven't exhausted peace avenues? Especially at a time when you need all the allies you can get?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Gerrel was in charge because Patrick Weekes wanted to paint the Quarians as a bunch of racists, that's why. He called Tali a racist. The story arc was clearly slanted on the side of the Geth. When you play it and look objectively the answer is clear. The information you get about the Quarians is scant. There is nothing you can actually look up on the Extranet in game. I think you should be able to use a terminal in your office or your private terminal on the ship and read the records, see pictures of what the Quarians looked like, and the devastation of the war. I'm sure there were news reports with visuals of what the Geth were doing. But, you get the 1960s radio announcer voiced Codex which is hilarious. Or you get the Geth History lesson with visuals showing the evil Quarians. So tell me this story arc wasn't slanted in favor of the Geth. When I see something idiotic like this and I see my war assets, and know I'm going to have plenty, I shoot the Geth representative of the writer.

And as far as putting guns on the Live Ships, they would have had to do that anyway because the reapers don't care whether or not a ship is a warship. They just kill anything. People tend to forget that. There are reapers in the galaxy. What if they'd jumped into a system and there were a couple of reapers there. With the Live Ships having spinal mounted Thanix weapons they might have a fighting chance. Without them they're dead. Yes they're glass cannons. Better glass cannons then dead nothing.

This last thing was pointed out just to add to the anti-Quarian sentiment and pro-Geth cause slant of the story arc. Those poor nice cuddly geth. I forgive them for trying to kill me all those times. Those bad racist evil treaty violating idiot suit rats! Gerrel shot at me! That bastard! Kill them all!!!!!

[Sir DeLoria]

Hazegurl wrote...
Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

[Hazegurl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Come on. Even punching Gerrel in the gut is pretty much stretching the limits of what Shepard can get away with consequence free. Shooting him, and then having the admirals stand around like wildebeests after a lion took down one of their calves would just look too ridiculous for words. In their position, human admirals would have left the ship immediately, and cut off all contact.

It would have been awesome if punching Gerrel means those useless Quarians would pack up and leave. 

And Shepard can get away with whatever he/she wants. He's a Council Spectre. He could pistol whip Gerrel till his mask crack and dare the other Admirals to touch him. They're on his ship which is filled with his comrades and crew. And it's not like the Council would give a hoot.  

Yep. Shep could kill Gerrel and other than the Quarians not a single f*** would be given that day.

And god I wanted my Shep to explode about them throwing themselves at the geth. Paragon Shep who asked for peace and their aid against the Reapers seeing that would've probably burst a blood vessel.

I know. Shepard is God compared to the Quarians at that point. Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if Shepard could have done all of that sans a Reaper invasion. No one has ever cared much for the Quarians.

 I also hated that I couldn't get on them more about attacking the Geth. I usually play Renegades but even I would choose the options for peace and not going to war. Namely because I figured the Geth would wipe the floor with them again.

[CynicalShep]

Necanor wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...
Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

Almost like the 180 that Legion and co took in ME3. Hell, it's not even a 180, it's more of a 540 cause they were clearly a little light-headed.

[Hazegurl]

Ryzaki wrote...
For my sanity I assume once Koris realized Gerrel had killed himself he was one of those few ships that tried to retreat. (Then again when I side with the geth I usually let Koris die on Rannoch and save his crew so I don't have to deal with that facepalm "ATTACK ATTACK THE GETH ARE OFFLINE ATTACK!" ) You'd thought Gerrel would've learned something from the first time I punched his ass in the stomach after telling him to retreat and not attack but nooooooooo. I do have to sigh at his what have I done face. Nice leadership there Gerrel. Lead them right to their graves. Clearly disobeying direct orders by your fellow admirals who know more about the situation than you do gets you far in life. *sigh*

It would make sense for Koris to issue a retreat. He was more about peace than the rest and he cared a lot for his crew. I think I'll headcanon that from now on. It would be nice if at least one Admiral wasn't hooked on stupid.


@Shotgun, I don't think the writing was slanted toward the Geth. In ME1 we are told a bit of the story from Tali and I told her that she and her people got what they deserved. ME3, simply shows us a little bit more of what was happening that led up to the Morning War. Pretty much cementing my Shep's opinion that they had it coming. It also shows that some of the Quarians were against killing off the Geth but that they could easily be overruled by their more overzealous leaders. 

Modifié par Hazegurl, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Hazegurl wrote...
I know. Shepard is God compared to the Quarians at that point. Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if Shepard could have done all of that sans a Reaper invasion. No one has ever cared much for the Quarians.

 I also hated that I couldn't get on them more about attacking the Geth. I usually play Renegades but even I would choose the options for peace and not going to war. Namely because I figured the Geth would wipe the floor with them again.

Nah, murder is murder, no matter what race or creed the victim is.

Other than that, blame Patrick.

[Ryzaki]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Gerrel was in charge because Patrick Weekes wanted to paint the Quarians as a bunch of racists, that's why. He called Tali a racist. The story arc was clearly slanted on the side of the Geth. When you play it and look objectively the answer is clear. The information you get about the Quarians is scant. There is nothing you can actually look up on the Extranet in game. I think you should be able to use a terminal in your office or your private terminal on the ship and read the records, see pictures of what the Quarians looked like, and the devastation of the war. I'm sure there were news reports with visuals of what the Geth were doing. But, you get the 1960s radio announcer voiced Codex which is hilarious. Or you get the Geth History lesson with visuals showing the evil Quarians. So tell me this story arc wasn't slanted in favor of the Geth. When I see something idiotic like this and I see my war assets, and know I'm going to have plenty, I shoot the Geth representative of the writer.

And as far as putting guns on the Live Ships, they would have had to do that anyway because the reapers don't care whether or not a ship is a warship. They just kill anything. People tend to forget that. There are reapers in the galaxy. What if they'd jumped into a system and there were a couple of reapers there. With the Live Ships having spinal mounted Thanix weapons they might have a fighting chance. Without them they're dead. Yes they're glass cannons. Better glass cannons then dead nothing.

This last thing was pointed out just to add to the anti-Quarian sentiment and pro-Geth cause slant of the story arc. Those poor nice cuddly geth. I forgive them for trying to kill me all those times. Those bad racist evil treaty violating idiot suit rats! Gerrel shot at me! That bastard! Kill them all!!!!!

XD fair enough.

To be fair though most people in ME are racists. I miss my racist Shepard.  

They threw said liveships at the Geth though. If they had them for the Reapers I would've understood and encouraged after all the Reapers give one a fate worse than death.

That was not the case for the geth and thus my sympathy evaporates. If they had that ships and were ready for the Reapers and the GETH had gone to the Reapers on their own (or got overwritten) then I wouldn't be "really? Just why do I even bother anymore." 

LOL I have my doubts about the geth being cuddly but useful? Very. I always took it as the Geth being vicious beause that's how they were taught. Their first glimpse of war was take no prisoners and kill em all and that's exactly what they gave back thus it's not pleasant but I can understand it. The Quarians just couldn't leave well enough alone.

I'm the type who if I get my ass kicked I'm not going back to get my ass kicked again. One time was enough thanks.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Sir DeLoria]

CynicalShep wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...
Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

Almost like the 180 that Legion and co took in ME3. Hell, it's not even a 180, it's more of a 540 cause they were clearly a little light-headed.

Yep, crazy how much characters can change in just 6 months.

[Ryzaki]

Hazegurl wrote...
It would make sense for Koris to issue a retreat. He was more about peace than the rest and he cared a lot for his crew. I think I'll headcanon that from now on. It would be nice if at least one Admiral wasn't hooked on stupid.

Yep. It just didn't work (or maybe it did but they're living on borrowed time.) 

CynicalShep wrote...
Almost like the 180 that Legion and co took in ME3. Hell, it's not even a 180, it's more of a 540 cause they were clearly a little light-headed.

I'm really cheezed off this stupid pointless war is always canon. It's why I always pick renegade peace no matter if I have a paragon or renegade. Even my pure pure paragon picked the renegade peace. He was sick and tired of the stupidity.  You should've at least been able to avoid the BS by having loyal Legion and Tali with a paragon/renegade persuade in ME2 and having promoted peace. That way you start off with automatic both assets and the rest of Rannoch is simply trying to get the Geth and Quarians to trust one another. Voila. And as a bonus for doing this you get Geth Dreadnaught as a WA (see I'm on topic!).

Hazegurl wrote...
I know. Shepard is God compared to the Quarians at that point. Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if Shepard could have done all of that sans a Reaper invasion. No one has ever cared much for the Quarians.

 I also hated that I couldn't get on them more about attacking the Geth. I usually play Renegades but even I would choose the options for peace and not going to war. Namely because I figured the Geth would wipe the floor with them again.

XD harsh. The council probably would've whined about it though. Not that they would've done anything.

LOL exactly. My renedouche went "wait...you're throwing yourselves at the Geth...again? Didn't they almost take over your ships with a few scrapped together parts? And your only solution was nuke it from orbit? You lot really didn't think this through..."

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2013 - 07:49 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Ryzaki wrote...
LOL I have my doubts about the geth being cuddly.

Oh believe me, there are enough Geth fans who find them more than cuddly...

[Ryzaki]

Necanor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
LOL I have my doubts about the geth being cuddly.

Oh believe me, there are enough Geth fans who find them more than cuddly...

Only cuddly geth is my Legion. Sweet words in one ear with a widow up the ass. <3

[Sir DeLoria]

Ryzaki wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
LOL I have my doubts about the geth being cuddly.

Oh believe me, there are enough Geth fans who find them more than cuddly...

Only cuddly geth is my Legion. Sweet words in one ear with a widow up the ass. <3

But they all look the same and even have the same voice.

[Iakus]

Necanor wrote...

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

I miss ME2 Gerrel.  He wanted war, but was much more thoughful and reasonable about it.

[Dextro Milk]

CynicalShep wrote...

I liek chocolate milk!

But yeah, Tevos > all other Asari.

Any milk is good.

[Ryzaki]

Legion's wearing my Shep's N7 armor and has a giant hole in his chest. That's pretty easy enough to tell the difference.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

I miss ME2 Gerrel.  He wanted war, but was much more thoughful and reasonable about it.

Yep pretty sure he wouldn't have went herp derp let's do this now that the Reapers are on our footsteps and give the Reapers an easy priority target while other home worlds are being reamed out the ****.

[Hazegurl]

I think ME3 Gerrel is ME2 Gerrel's evil twin brother.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 10 décembre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Daemul]

Necanor wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...
Right. Not gonna buy it that Gerrel alone was at fault and that millions of Quarians were anti war or in protest of heavy weapons being thrown onto their civilian fleets.  I'm sure if there was a large enough outcry against the war they wouldn't have attacked the Geth. Even if they were anti war, the fact that they allowed Gerrel to speak for them all doesn't bode well for how they run things. Even Koris will pew pew to death at Gerrel's command.

I would've voted for ME2 Gerrel as my Admiral. It's not the Quarians fault the writers decided to let him do a total 180 in the sequel.

There was no 180, Gerrel has always been reckless, don't you remember that story he told about how he and Tali's father disobeyed a direct order to hold position during a Batarian raid because the knew they couldn't be charged due to being underage? He was obsessed with going to war with the Geth in ME2, if you use the renegade option to defend Tali during her trial you even call him out for it. The only reason people think his character has changed is because he was nice to Tali and their Shepard unlike Korris who was a douche, but regardless of this Gerrel was always a warmonger and Korris always favoured peace. 

[Ryzaki]

Reckless and suicidal are two very different things.

Even if Gerrel had won the war without a hitch he'd won himself a prime Reaper target that he had no way of holding off from them.

[Deathsaurer]

Imagine if the Reapers had been remotely smart during all that nonsense. Stick Legion on a Sovereign class Reaper and laugh as no one can do anything about it. They couldn't beat the Geth dreadnought, no way they'd stop a Reaper. No boarding ports. No way for Shepard to get on board at all.