knucks360 wrote...
A Geth Dreadnought would have tough armor against Harby's beam,but no where near as tough as Shepards battle armor!
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 décembre 2013 - 11:37 .
What did Shepard and squad go on to it for? There must've been some expectation that they would be able to shut it down, so if anyone was going to take an opportunity to fire on it that should've been clearly stated in advance of the mission. By not saying anything Han'Gerrel is out of order.KaiserShep wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
The ship is linked to the entire Geth consensus, and even if it wasn't, you have no idea how long it could have been disabled for. You're assuming that the ship would have to be taken then and there, and that is not the case necessarily.
It could be disabled for days, or hours, or even minutes. The fact that no one knows how long the ship will remain disabled is exactly why it has to either be taken right then and there, or be destroyed outright.
Get rid of Tali, a geth sympathizing admiral, creating a power vacume that he could manipulate. Eliminating the skilled alliance diplomat, while implicating the geth, potentially securing alliance reinforcements. If he just killed Shepard the alliance would cut communications with the quarians. Shepard getting killed fighting the geth, though? That makes the geth a personal threat to the alliance.DeinonSlayer wrote...
What, then, do you think was his ulterior motive?Rotward wrote...
Perhaps, but he could have waited until the leader of the reaper resistance and a fellow admiral were off the boat. I don't believe for a second that he attacked just to destroy the dreadnaught.
On topic: yes, the geth ships were awesome, for they have nowindowsstructural weakness.
Every geth on that ship was still hostile, even after the Reaper broadcast was cut off (the fight after freeing Legion). They'd be working to get shields and weapons back online, and if that happened the dreadnought would have gone right back to tearing into your only allies in the system with no way to stop it. He ought to have warned the boarding team, but he made the right call. It's no different than Hackett destroying Sovereign while you're in the tower right next to it. Do you risk millions on the hope that three people (four here) will have time to evacuate before it comes back online?
To borrow Shepard's line, "You did the right thing. Just give me a heads-up next time."
I do, however, agree that their ships are cool.
Modifié par Rotward, 09 décembre 2013 - 11:45 .
I'll have to re-frame my next playthrough of New Vegas for sure (not that any merchant has enough caps to match the value of a single one of those gold bricks).CynicalShep wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Damn, Cyncial, you didn't have to "lolstomp" his reference.CynicalShep wrote...
DeinonSlayer wrote...
@CynicalShep
That's just it. The dreadnought is useful, there's just no way to secure it. Like the gold in the Sierra Madre vault in that New Vegas DLC.
Everything is possible with hard work and a little wit
Same applies to the dreadnought. If a team of 3 has been able to disable the thing, what would a well-trained team of 15 be capable of?
I like DeinonSlayer so there were no hard feelings. If anything, I'm making his next NV playthough better
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Makes perfect sense given that the quarian admirals also figured that the best time to start another unnecessary war with the geth is in during a Reaper invasion.
Modifié par Rotward, 10 décembre 2013 - 03:14 .
Dextro Milk wrote...
If the dreadnought was quarian, we wouldn't have to risk our lives to take it...CynicalShep wrote...
Dextro Milk wrote...
This.David7204 wrote...
One dreadnought is not going to change anything.
Dextro pls
This is ridiculous.
Then why use drednoughts at all? They get roflstomped by Reapers regardless. Why not just throw rocks at them? I mean what's a dreadnought going to change? Would you say the same thing if that dreadnought which is bigger than any Alliance dreadnoughts ever made was Quarian?
"OMG, save teh useful dreadnought! Is gonna save the galaxy!"
It won't change anything. One ship will not turn the tide. The ship gets destroyed, boohoo.
knucks360 wrote...
Hazegurl wrote...
Based on the info about the Geth dreadnought compared to the Sovereign class reaper it would have at least been able to give a sovereign class the run around and last longer than the other ships. I would call it a win to have it. If for nothing else but to save it for the beam run when Harby shows himself, give him a bit of trouble while the ground forces get to the beam.
I don't know why anyone would say it wouldn't matter. It's not like we can afford to just turn away dreadnoughts in the middle of a Reaper war. But then again Shepard and Hackett turned away an opportunity to control reaper ground forces so...
A Geth Dreadnought would have tough armor against Harby's beam,but no where near as tough as Shepards PLOT armor!
DeinonSlayer wrote...
I'll have to re-frame my next playthrough of New Vegas for sure (not that any merchant has enough caps to match the value of a single one of those gold bricks).CynicalShep wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Damn, Cyncial, you didn't have to "lolstomp" his reference.CynicalShep wrote...
DeinonSlayer wrote...
@CynicalShep
That's just it. The dreadnought is useful, there's just no way to secure it. Like the gold in the Sierra Madre vault in that New Vegas DLC.
Everything is possible with hard work and a little wit
Same applies to the dreadnought. If a team of 3 has been able to disable the thing, what would a well-trained team of 15 be capable of?
I like DeinonSlayer so there were no hard feelings. If anything, I'm making his next NV playthough better
Still...
This is the USS Ronald Reagan.
http://www.transport...al.info/image25
This ship is crewed by 5,680 men (mobile platforms, rather - in a Geth ship, much more of the "crew" is composed of software which is part of the ship itself).
What you're basically suggesting is that three guys with AK-47s (realistically, there would be no medigel or organic standard thermal clips to find on the dreadnought), one of whom (sort of) understands the ship's systems, and an (unarmed) turncoat technical specialist with better understanding of said systems could seize control of the entire ship in the space of twenty minutes, kill the entire crew in the same timeframe before they get a chance to scuttle her or inflict crippling damage via self-sabotage to prevent her capture, and keep control of her all while she's in the middle of her own carrier battle group, without outside reprisal from said battle group.
So basically "mine is an evil laugh." But you forget: how can one twirl their mustache through a helmet?Rotward wrote...
Get rid of Tali, a geth sympathizing admiral, creating a power vacume that he could manipulate. Eliminating the skilled alliance diplomat, while implicating the geth, potentially securing alliance reinforcements. If he just killed Shepard the alliance would cut communications with the quarians. Shepard getting killed fighting the geth, though? That makes the geth a personal threat to the alliance.DeinonSlayer wrote...
What, then, do you think was his ulterior motive?Rotward wrote...
Perhaps, but he could have waited until the leader of the reaper resistance and a fellow admiral were off the boat. I don't believe for a second that he attacked just to destroy the dreadnaught.
On topic: yes, the geth ships were awesome, for they have nowindowsstructural weakness.
Every geth on that ship was still hostile, even after the Reaper broadcast was cut off (the fight after freeing Legion). They'd be working to get shields and weapons back online, and if that happened the dreadnought would have gone right back to tearing into your only allies in the system with no way to stop it. He ought to have warned the boarding team, but he made the right call. It's no different than Hackett destroying Sovereign while you're in the tower right next to it. Do you risk millions on the hope that three people (four here) will have time to evacuate before it comes back online?
To borrow Shepard's line, "You did the right thing. Just give me a heads-up next time."
I do, however, agree that their ships are cool.
It's a smart move, actually. Just not from a moral standpoint, and not if you remember the galactic invasion force.
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 décembre 2013 - 12:03 .
Setting off a bomb in the engine room or throwing a couple switches in the power plant would be a heck of a lot easier than seizing control of the entire ship and sailing it on over to your side.CynicalShep wrote...
It's about as silly as the idea that they could disable it between the three of them, isn't it?
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 décembre 2013 - 12:05 .
DeinonSlayer wrote...
Setting off a bomb in the engine room would be a heck of a lot easier than seizing control of the entire ship and sailing it on over to your side.CynicalShep wrote...
It's about as silly as the idea that they could disable it between the three of them, isn't it?
DeinonSlayer wrote...
Setting off a bomb in the engine room or throwing a couple switches in the power plant would be a heck of a lot easier than seizing control of the entire ship and sailing it on over to your side.CynicalShep wrote...
It's about as silly as the idea that they could disable it between the three of them, isn't it?
DeinonSlayer wrote...
But, then, yeah, Shepard's pulled off all kinds of stupid stuff.
Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 décembre 2013 - 12:12 .
DeinonSlayer wrote...
You know who would be able to clear the Dreadnought?
Sean Connery.
KaiserShep wrote...
How is that the most anticlimactic? Nothing beats the conversation with the catalyst and subsequent decision making.
CynicalShep wrote...
KaiserShep wrote...
How is that the most anticlimactic? Nothing beats the conversation with the catalyst and subsequent decision making.
That was incredbly bad, sure. So was being hit by a Reaper and not dying. But running around with a pointer while a hapless Reaper is trying and failing to burn the punny little human that you are was atrocious. I literally had to press pause and go out for a smoke, I remember it vividly.
And as Shotgun Julia always notes, if we plated our ships with whatever kind of rock that cliff was made out of they'd all be invincible.CynicalShep wrote...
KaiserShep wrote...
How is that the most anticlimactic? Nothing beats the conversation with the catalyst and subsequent decision making.
That was incredbly bad, sure. So was being hit by a Reaper and not dying. But running around with a pointer while a hapless Reaper is trying and failing to burn the punny little human that you are was atrocious. I literally had to press pause and go out for a smoke, I remember it vividly.
KaiserShep wrote...
That's a bit much... I think some take the gameplay mechanics and how it meshes with the story a bit too seriously. I remember seeing some people complaining about why Shepard doesn't get killed by the blast hitting the reaper. I'm surprised I don't see any complaints about squad mates never getting harmed by the huge biotic blasts or friendly fire.
DeinonSlayer wrote...
And as Shotgun Julia always notes, if we plated our ships with whatever kind of rock that cliff was made out of they'd all be invincible.CynicalShep wrote...
KaiserShep wrote...
How is that the most anticlimactic? Nothing beats the conversation with the catalyst and subsequent decision making.
That was incredbly bad, sure. So was being hit by a Reaper and not dying. But running around with a pointer while a hapless Reaper is trying and failing to burn the punny little human that you are was atrocious. I literally had to press pause and go out for a smoke, I remember it vividly.
"Throwin' up a barrier!" *long cooldown*KaiserShep wrote...
ME3 was pretty good about it overall, and the squad actually cooperated, whereas in 2 they would constantly break cover or run ahead even if you repeatedly directed them not to.
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 décembre 2013 - 12:23 .
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