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I wish more threads devolved into inane battle cries.

<3

How about screaming cries of death?

This is worse.

Sounds like Ashley is giving birth...


The one part of Priority Earth that never fails to make me smile.


I watched it over a dozen times and I still laugh like an idiot every time I hear it

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DAMMIT DETHSAURER


What? That was like the best set up ever.


I KNOW!

YOU HAVE BECOME AN ANNOYANCE.

Thread status: derailed. Spiderman in 3, 2, 1...

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

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DAMMIT DETHSAURER


What? That was like the best set up ever.


I KNOW!

YOU HAVE BECOME AN ANNOYANCE.

Spiderman in 3, 2, 1...


I somehow got out of that 1 unharmed. I'm not nearly drunk enough to tempt fate again. How long did that one thread turn out to be. Like 5-6 pages of Spidey on top of everything else?

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CynicalShep wrote...

I somehow got out of that 1 unharmed. I'm not nearly drunk enough to tempt fate again. How long did that one thread turn out to be. Like 5-6 pages of Spidey?

I don't even know. Sort of a shame - there was a decent debate going on before that.

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YOU HAVE BECOME AN ANNOYANCE.

Thread status: derailed. Spiderman in 3, 2, 1...


Struggle if you wish. Your mind will be mine.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I somehow got out of that 1 unharmed. I'm not nearly drunk enough to tempt fate again. How long did that one thread turn out to be. Like 5-6 pages of Spidey?

I don't even know. Sort of a shame - there was a decent debate going on before that.


You have my apologies. I was plastered and found it very entertaining.

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CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I somehow got out of that 1 unharmed. I'm not nearly drunk enough to tempt fate again. How long did that one thread turn out to be. Like 5-6 pages of Spidey?

I don't even know. Sort of a shame - there was a decent debate going on before that.


You have my apologies. I was plastered and found it very entertaining.

It was still funny.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

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I somehow got out of that 1 unharmed. I'm not nearly drunk enough to tempt fate again. How long did that one thread turn out to be. Like 5-6 pages of Spidey?

I don't even know. Sort of a shame - there was a decent debate going on before that.


You have my apologies. I was plastered and found it very entertaining.

It was still funny.


It better be, I used up almost my entire collection of Spiderman pics.

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The ship is linked to the entire Geth consensus, and even if it wasn't, you have no idea how long it could have been disabled for. You're assuming that the ship would have to be taken then and there, and that is not the case necessarily.


It could be disabled for days, or hours, or even minutes. The fact that no one knows how long the ship will remain disabled is exactly why it has to either be taken right then and there, or be destroyed outright.

Not to be on topic or anything, but that's a horrible reason to blow up a ship. 

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The ship is linked to the entire Geth consensus, and even if it wasn't, you have no idea how long it could have been disabled for. You're assuming that the ship would have to be taken then and there, and that is not the case necessarily.


It could be disabled for days, or hours, or even minutes. The fact that no one knows how long the ship will remain disabled is exactly why it has to either be taken right then and there, or be destroyed outright.

Not to be on topic or anything, but that's a horrible reason to blow up a ship.

I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online - they lost five frigates simply making the hole it took to get the boarding party in there. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

Hackett blew up Sovereign right next to Shepard, I don't see anyone complaining that he provided no warning and gave no time for them to clear the Council Chamber. If it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines boarding the dreadnought in Shepard's place, I bet people would be more inclined to view it as a noble sacrifice a la Virmire than an atrocity to keelhaul Gerrel over.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

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The ship is linked to the entire Geth consensus, and even if it wasn't, you have no idea how long it could have been disabled for. You're assuming that the ship would have to be taken then and there, and that is not the case necessarily.


It could be disabled for days, or hours, or even minutes. The fact that no one knows how long the ship will remain disabled is exactly why it has to either be taken right then and there, or be destroyed outright.

Not to be on topic or anything, but that's a horrible reason to blow up a ship.

I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

Hackett blew up Sovereign right next to Shepard, I don't see anyone complaining that he provided no warning and gave no time for them to clear the Council Chamber. If it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines boarding the dreadnought in Shepard's place, I bet people would be more inclined to view it as a noble sacrifice a la Virmire than an atrocity to keelhaul Gerrel over.


The Hackett one isn't comparable, tbh. The entire Citadel was in ruins, not like Sovereign parked on top of Shepard's crew. That one was due to bad luck more than anything. If Shepard would have been inside Sovereign it would be comparable.

And if it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines it would make a lot more sense, of course people would be more inclined to view it as noble sacrifice. Hell, if it were a gaggle of the best Quarian soldiers and an Admiral in charge it would still be much better than killing the entire resistance's de facto leader because a dreadnought that was shooting at them might turn back on and shoot at them some more.

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#187
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I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

Hackett blew up Sovereign right next to Shepard, I don't see anyone complaining that he provided no warning and gave no time for them to clear the Council Chamber. If it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines boarding the dreadnought in Shepard's place, I bet people would be more inclined to view it as a noble sacrifice a la Virmire than an atrocity to keelhaul Gerrel over.

The Hackett one isn't comparable, tbh. The entire Citadel was in ruins, not like Sovereign parked on top of Shepard's crew. That one was due to bad luck more than anything. If Shepard would have been inside Sovereign it would be comparable.

And if it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines it would make a lot more sense, of course people would be more inclined to view it as noble sacrifice. Hell, if it were a gaggle of the best Quarian soldiers and an Admiral in charge it would still be much better than killing the entire resistance's de facto leader because a dreadnought that was shooting at them might turn back on and shoot at them some more.

The Hackett one is comparable. He blew up the ship when it was directly on top of you without warning. It's only by the grace of a triumphant cutscene that Shepard and company survive (how did the room hold atmo, exactly?).

Re: second paragraph, that's the whole point. Egotism is at the root of a lot of people's objection to Gerrel's actions. Sacrifice for thee but not for me. If Shepard were so crucial to the survival of all these myriad alliances, they wouldn't let him get his ass shot off on a daily basis - I understand the whole "leading from the front" thing (plus the standard power-tripping that Bioware gives to players), but any ground mission could be his (her) last, particularly extremely high-risk ones like this. Others are actually doing the heavy lifting, the coordination, holding things together - Hackett, Wrex, Victus, Anderson, and yes, Gerrel and Koris. The alliance wouldn't fall apart because Shepard ran off and got killed trying to retrieve a heating unit for a clutch of Salarian eggs. People on these boards go into childish tyraids about the means by which they would have tortured/killed Gerrel given the chance because they don't see the situation beyond the scope of "you shot at me."

Speaking of Salarian eggs...

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

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I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

Hackett blew up Sovereign right next to Shepard, I don't see anyone complaining that he provided no warning and gave no time for them to clear the Council Chamber. If it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines boarding the dreadnought in Shepard's place, I bet people would be more inclined to view it as a noble sacrifice a la Virmire than an atrocity to keelhaul Gerrel over.

The Hackett one isn't comparable, tbh. The entire Citadel was in ruins, not like Sovereign parked on top of Shepard's crew. That one was due to bad luck more than anything. If Shepard would have been inside Sovereign it would be comparable.

And if it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines it would make a lot more sense, of course people would be more inclined to view it as noble sacrifice. Hell, if it were a gaggle of the best Quarian soldiers and an Admiral in charge it would still be much better than killing the entire resistance's de facto leader because a dreadnought that was shooting at them might turn back on and shoot at them some more.

The Hackett one is comparable. He blew up the ship when it was directly on top of you without warning. It's only by the grace of a triumphant cutscene that Shepard and company survive (how did the room hold atmo, exactly?).<_<

Re: second paragraph, that's the whole point. Egotism is at the root of a lot of people's objection to Gerrel's actions. Sacrifice for thee but not for me. If Shepard were so crucial to the survival of all these myriad alliances, they wouldn't let him get his ass shot off on a daily basis - I understand the whole "leading from the front" thing (plus the standard power-tripping that Bioware gives to players), but any ground mission could be his (her) last, particularly extremely high-risk ones like this. Others are actually doing the heavy lifting, the coordination, holding things together - Hackett, Wrex, Victus, Anderson, and yes, Gerrel and Koris. The alliance wouldn't fall apart because Shepard ran off and got killed trying to retrieve a heating unit for a clutch of Salarian eggs. People on these boards go into childish tyraids about the means by which they would have tortured/killed Gerrel given the chance because they don't see the situation beyond the scope of "you shot at me."

Speaking of Salarian eggs...

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Let's not forget the most important leader of the alliance Killing a Reaper On Foot.  <_<:bandit:<_< 

May I ask the question ... Which Fleet was it that killed the Reaper? Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Quarian fleet? Yes. If it wasn't for the Quarian fleet where would Shepard be? DEAD. 

Now I know you robot lovers are going to say. If it wasn't for the Quarians attacking the Geth you wouldn't have been there in the first place. Wrong. If it wasn't for PW and Mac you wouldn't have been there in the first place, and PW is a self admitted geth sympathizer. So you were going to be there anyway. Without the Quarian fleet you were dead. And how do some Shepards pay back the Quarians for saving his/her ass? Siding with the Geth. <_<

Note that it is in the Codex that a single cruiser can take out a reaper destroyer. The Quarian heavy fleet could take out that destroyer easily. They hit it the second time. Your bullets apparently were good enough for targeting, but "we can't get a clear shot." BS. Just fire in the same general location as the last time. No, they had to make Shepard target on foot. Stupid ass video game logic.:bandit:

#189
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DeinonSlayer wrote...

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I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

Hackett blew up Sovereign right next to Shepard, I don't see anyone complaining that he provided no warning and gave no time for them to clear the Council Chamber. If it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines boarding the dreadnought in Shepard's place, I bet people would be more inclined to view it as a noble sacrifice a la Virmire than an atrocity to keelhaul Gerrel over.

The Hackett one isn't comparable, tbh. The entire Citadel was in ruins, not like Sovereign parked on top of Shepard's crew. That one was due to bad luck more than anything. If Shepard would have been inside Sovereign it would be comparable.

And if it were a gaggle of anonymous Quarian marines it would make a lot more sense, of course people would be more inclined to view it as noble sacrifice. Hell, if it were a gaggle of the best Quarian soldiers and an Admiral in charge it would still be much better than killing the entire resistance's de facto leader because a dreadnought that was shooting at them might turn back on and shoot at them some more.

The Hackett one is comparable. He blew up the ship when it was directly on top of you without warning. It's only by the grace of a triumphant cutscene that Shepard and company survive (how did the room hold atmo, exactly?).

Re: second paragraph, that's the whole point. Egotism is at the root of a lot of people's objection to Gerrel's actions. Sacrifice for thee but not for me. If Shepard were so crucial to the survival of all these myriad alliances, they wouldn't let him get his ass shot off on a daily basis - I understand the whole "leading from the front" thing (plus the standard power-tripping that Bioware gives to players), but any ground mission could be his (her) last, particularly extremely high-risk ones like this. Others are actually doing the heavy lifting, the coordination, holding things together - Hackett, Wrex, Victus, Anderson, and yes, Gerrel and Koris. The alliance wouldn't fall apart because Shepard ran off and got killed trying to retrieve a heating unit for a clutch of Salarian eggs. People on these boards go into childish tyraids about the means by which they would have tortured/killed Gerrel given the chance because they don't see the situation beyond the scope of "you shot at me."

Speaking of Salarian eggs...

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It held atmo through mass effect fields and Shepard's willpower and :wizard:

He was still not IN the thing, he was a few hundred meters away from it, in a building that remained largely intact after the blast (broken glass aside). Nevermind that the whole point of the mission and the presence of the Alliance fleet there was destroying the damn thing. You even get to call the shots over the comm link. 

I'm not a "torturer" but I am a very vindictive person by nature. I'm a loyal chap until you screw with me and betray my trust, which triggers a pretty scary lust for revenge. I'm not saying that I'll go on a murderous spree but I always get back at people who betray me. I don't believe in "turn the other cheek". We had a deal, I did his job, the least he can do is give me a couple of minutes to get out of there, not try to kill me because the signal might come back online. And yes, I don't believe in REMFs, I believe in leading by example. It might be risky but generals often lose touch with reality with prolonged isolation from the battlefield. Even without that everybody knows that Shepard is the one tasked with bringing everyone together and that he is doing a pretty good job at it by the time he reaches the Geth/Quarian stalemate. 

And I see beyond "you shot at me" in spite of my vindictive nature. I believe that sending 3 people on that ship was stupid to begin with and I truly believe that a real boarding party could have taken the dreadnought. If I was convinced that I can't use it I would agree with taking it down. As it stands - I don't. 

And for a general who is willing to make the hard decisions Gerrel is awfully reluctant to risk troops or his hide in order to secure a valuable asset. Either that or he is too old-fashioned to consider anything other that "point and shoot". Any Geth ship would have less battle-ready bodies than an organic ship because they are redundant in space combat (they aren't needed to man the ship). Boarding parties should have been the name of the game from the very moment the Reaper signal started cutting through his lines, tbh.

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Let's not forget the most important leader of the alliance Killing a Reaper On Foot.  <_<:bandit:<_< 

May I ask the question ... Which Fleet was it that killed the Reaper? Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Geth fleet? No. Was it the Quarian fleet? Yes. If it wasn't for the Quarian fleet where would Shepard be? DEAD. 

Now I know you robot lovers are going to say. If it wasn't for the Quarians attacking the Geth you wouldn't have been there in the first place. Wrong. If it wasn't for PW and Mac you wouldn't have been there in the first place, and PW is a self admitted geth sympathizer. So you were going to be there anyway. Without the Quarian fleet you were dead. And how do some Shepards pay back the Quarians for saving his/her ass? Siding with the Geth. <_<

Note that it is in the Codex that a single cruiser can take out a reaper destroyer. The Quarian heavy fleet could take out that destroyer easily. They hit it the second time. Your bullets apparently were good enough for targeting, but "we can't get a clear shot." BS. Just fire in the same general location as the last time. No, they had to make Shepard target on foot. Stupid ass video game logic.:bandit:


I wouldn't even bring this into discussion. Targeting the Reaper with a laser oversized Power Point pointer was the derpiest moment in the series for me. 
But if you really want to play that game - if Legion didn't cooperate Shepard and co would be dead and Quarians would have had massive losses, if not lost the war altogether.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

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The ship is linked to the entire Geth consensus, and even if it wasn't, you have no idea how long it could have been disabled for. You're assuming that the ship would have to be taken then and there, and that is not the case necessarily.


It could be disabled for days, or hours, or even minutes. The fact that no one knows how long the ship will remain disabled is exactly why it has to either be taken right then and there, or be destroyed outright.

Not to be on topic or anything, but that's a horrible reason to blow up a ship.

I do seem to recall something about 17 million lives at stake if it turns back on. Nobody has the means to stop it when they get their core back online - they lost five frigates simply making the hole it took to get the boarding party in there. It takes days for the Migrant Fleet to traverse a relay (time they don't have), and even if they left, the Geth would simply stay under Reaper control - retreat was never a viable option.

The Migrant Fleet isn't right next to the dreadnaught. All 17 million quarians were not going to die if the ship cut back on, and certainly  not within the time that it would take for Legion to help Shepard take control of it or even kill all of the disabled platforms there. This is simply just a case of, "Moar action. Moar suspense." They're in the central core of the ship; there are plenty of things they could have done. 

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I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, Cynical. IMO danger close is danger close. The scenarios are practically identical. I told Gerrel to press the attack once the signal was offline anyway (since retreat wasn't a viable option to begin with), so I can't very well lash out at him for following the original plan.

My Shepard isn't an egotist who assaults allies because they didn't value his survival over the mission, and I see capturing the dreadnought as being about as realistic a goal as capturing the Reagan. Realistically, since the ship itself is basically one giant Geth platform, it's astonishing that Shepard's boarding party can even open internal doors. I don't see Shepard as the keystone to the entire war - his life alone isn't worth risking seventeen million others; if he goes down others will take his place. If any one group is the cornerstone of the war effort, it's the Crucible team.

Besides, without stealth ships with which to approach Geth vessels (of which the Quarians have only one - the diplomatic vessel which was able to sneak by the Geth blockade of the relay and make contact with you), any boarding attempt would be cut short by those point-defense lasers.

@Br3ad, the Geth have the Quarians bottled up in the system. The only reason they have survived as long as they have is because they've concealed their fleet from the Geth (per the galaxy map). It's only a matter of time. Do you press the advantage when you have the enemy dead to rights, or risk everything on the idea that four people can put down a couple hundred or thousand mobile platforms and wrest a ship which literally has a will of its own away from the middle of its own fleet? There were no "disabled" platforms there. They're all still fighting you; even with the Reaper signal no longer broadcasting to the rest of the fleet, the ones on that ship still have it.

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It's astonishing that the ship's interior is the same as an organic race's vessel just with different wallpaper.

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It's astonishing that the ship's interior is the same as an organic race's vessel just with different wallpaper.


Not really considering lol reusing assets. =]

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It's astonishing that the ship's interior is the same as an organic race's vessel just with different wallpaper.


Not really considering lol reusing assets. =]

Before uploading into the consensus, the "geth server" that you walk through is the same part of the Dreadnought map where you inspect the ultraviolet lasers.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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It's astonishing that the ship's interior is the same as an organic race's vessel just with different wallpaper.


Not really considering lol reusing assets. =]

Before uploading into the consensus, the "geth server" that you walk through is the same part of the Dreadnought map where you inspect the ultraviolet lasers.

:wizard:


Yeah I noticed that. :lol: To be fair it's like a minute that you're there so I can excuse the reusing. The Dreadnaught...not so much.

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Also, Tali's knife is the broken hilt of a Phantom's sword. But, that's forgivable since it's only there for a split-second.

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I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, Cynical. IMO danger close is danger close. The scenarios are practically identical. I told Gerrel to press the attack once the signal was offline anyway (since retreat wasn't a viable option to begin with), so I can't very well lash out at him for following the original plan.

My Shepard isn't an egotist who assaults allies because they didn't value his survival over the mission, and I see capturing the dreadnought as being about as realistic a goal as capturing the Reagan. Realistically, since the ship itself is basically one giant Geth platform, it's astonishing that Shepard's boarding party can even open internal doors. I don't see Shepard as the keystone to the entire war - his life alone isn't worth risking seventeen million others; if he goes down others will take his place. If any one group is the cornerstone of the war effort, it's the Crucible team.

Besides, without stealth ships with which to approach Geth vessels (of which the Quarians have only one - the diplomatic vessel which was able to sneak by the Geth blockade of the relay and make contact with you), any boarding attempt would be cut short by those ultraviolet lasers.


Well, we made different choices so it's hard to argue when we had different playthroughs. Your original plan wasn't my original plan so your lashing out would be out of place while mine is understandable imo.

And it's not about egoism, I'm not afraid of dying for a good enough cause. I might be a bit of an egoist in RL but that's not what influenced my decision, nor is it "hate for quarians" for I have none. I don't blame a nation for the actions of a few, just like I don't hate the entire Asari race for hiding that beacon. I just hate being stabbed in the back and this is exactly why I punch Gerrel when I get back on my ship. That, an ego check and a display of authority. I'm not going to be walked over and honestly speaking "parameters changed" is bs, because the mission was always about disabling that signal. If he said that he'll start shooting at it before I went on the mission I might have even agreed with him. Instead, he just acted like a coward. "He won't be able to complain when he's dead". He even cut the connection instead of facing the consequences of his decision. 

If you want to talk realism, there is no way we could have gotten that far to actually disable it. It was a flawed and desperate mission before it even started. But since we were able to open doors and shoot our way through we would have been able to capture it, too. 

And while Shepard's life shouldn't be worth 17 million deaths in the context of the game it is. He is a symbol and an anomaly, the focal point of the entire resistance effort. Even if we disagree on this, the ship coming back online wouldn't result in 17 million insta-deaths and you know it. It would just return everything to the status quo, to the state things were in before Shepard entered the stage. 

And stealth ships aren't the only way to board a ship. There are a bunch of fighters fighting in close proximity to the ships, pack some of them with a boarding party and you got yourself a boarding pass. Smaller ships would have a smaller escort than the "big bad" anyways.

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Also, Tali's knife is the broken hilt of a Phantom's sword. But, that's forgivable since it's only there for a split-second.


Yeah little things like that it's expected.

But come on the Geth dreadnaught should be unique...

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@Cynical
Fair enough. I'm not a fan of not being warned either, but I understand his motives. "You did the right thing. Just give me a heads-up next time."

The ship coming back online would have been irreversible, and a major boon to the Reaper-controlled Geth. The status quo was that the Quarians were trapped and being picked apart by the fleet which was led by that dreadnought. Once it was eliminated, the shorter range of the backup required that the Geth cluster around Rannoch. It begs the question of how the Geth blockading the relay retained the code upgrades.

I disagree vehemently with the assessment of the worth of Shepard's life; I suspect we'll have to leave it at that. I dislike the council for even thinking they have the right to appoint omnipotent agents, and wish we had more opportunity to speak out against the practice.

That last strategy would take heavy casualties to maybe land a boarding party. Geth platforms on board or no, the ships themselves are conscious entities who (realistically) wouldn't take kindly to attempts to capture them. Frankly, if taken, I'd expect them to blow themselves up or pick a Quarian ship to crash into.

I need to get some food.

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