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[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

I don't think that any such alliance between the two is ever possible, from a canon standpoint.  The one is too fanatically idealistic, and the other too focused on the embracing of individual power and influence.  But it would actually be fun, now I think about it, to consider a scenario in which two powerful personages within each faction ended up forming some kind of shadow-alliance, especially if one or both thought they could manage to screw the other.

Ariqun and Archon team up? I could get behind that. It would be very interesting, to say the least.

[The Elder King]

@Silfren: yes, it's an interisting scenario. And I'd say that both personale would try to screw the other. Even if they'd form an alliance, it can't be nothing more than a temporary one.
@eluvianix: the major problem on this scenario is that the alliance would be probably unstoppable. There's no way that southern Thedas can stand against the Imperium and the Qun.

Modifié par hhh89, 10 décembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@Silfren: yes, it's an interisting scenario. And I'd say that both personale would try to screw the other. Even if they'd form an alliance, it can't be nothing more than a temporary one.

They would need one hell of a good reason to align with each other due to their long standing hatred.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Silfren: yes, it's an interisting scenario. And I'd say that both personale would try to screw the other. Even if they'd form an alliance, it can't be nothing more than a temporary one.

They would need one hell of a good reason to align with each other due to their long standing hatred.

Yes, it'd be really hard to find a common ground. For their ideologies and systems, they are mortal enemies.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Silfren: yes, it's an interisting scenario. And I'd say that both personale would try to screw the other. Even if they'd form an alliance, it can't be nothing more than a temporary one.

They would need one hell of a good reason to align with each other due to their long standing hatred.

What came to mind was an alliance of indiduals more so than a true alliance between the groups.  Like, say, I dunno...a Tal-Vashoth posing as a high-ranking Qun official who secretly is in cahoots with a similarly-placed magister, who wants to see the Qun destroyed, even though they don't personally have any love for Tevinter.  More of a long-range scheme. 

Bonus points if Tallis is unwittingly doing that person's dirty work.

Don't mind me.  I just happen to really enjoy narratives with ultra-secret behind-the-scenes political scheming.  Especially if it's actually well written and executed--i.e. not something Dan Brown wrote.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

What came to mind was an alliance of indiduals more so than a true alliance between the groups.  Like, say, I dunno...a Tal-Vashoth posing as a high-ranking Qun official who secretly is in cahoots with a similarly-placed magister, who wants to see the Qun destroyed, even though they don't personally have any love for Tevinter.  More of a long-range scheme. 

Bonus points if Tallis is unwittingly doing that person's dirty work.

Don't mind me.  I just happen to really enjoy narratives with ultra-secret behind-the-scenes political scheming.  Especially if it's actually well written and executed--i.e. not something Dan Brown wrote.

Even still, I wonder what the story behind the alliance would be. Why in the world would they work together? For what purpose?

And as long as we do not actually see Tallis, I don't really care.

[Plaintiff]

Tevinter, I guess, if I must pick one.

Assuming whatever they do to get rid of the Qunari doesn't unleash something even worse.

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Tevinter, I guess, if I must pick one.

Assuming whatever they do to get rid of the Qunari doesn't unleash something even worse.

That would actually be interesting.  The idea that the only thing which was ever able to finally crush the Imperium was its own hubris. 

Then the rest of the nations have to pull together to put an end to the new threat that Tevinter unleashed, and the whole world is so catastrophically damaged that all the old political systems are broken, the formerly most powerful nations in the world now struggle just to remain relevant, while others find themselves poised to become the new world superpowers.

[Medhia Nox]

The Qunari - for the very reason Plaintiff mentioned.

Though - I'm not sure the Qunari "don't" have their hands in the Veil tear - despite assertions of how wildly out of character it is.

I also don't find the Qunari "as" objectionable as Tevinter (from what we know of both - which, ultimately, is little)

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 10 décembre 2013 - 02:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Tevinter, I guess, if I must pick one.

Assuming whatever they do to get rid of the Qunari doesn't unleash something even worse.

That would actually be interesting.  The idea that the only thing which was ever able to finally crush the Imperium was its own hubris. 

Then the rest of the nations have to pull together to put an end to the new threat that Tevinter unleashed, and the whole world is so catastrophically damaged that all the old political systems are broken, the formerly most powerful nations in the world now struggle just to remain relevant, while others find themselves poised to become the new world superpowers.

"They looked upon what pride had wrought, and despaired."
Well, assuming the Tevinters used magic to eradicate the Qunari....I wonder what kind of new threat would rise. If this were to ever happen, I would like something other than another demonic entity born of Imperial magic. Perhaps their magic woke something deep beneath the earth?

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Qunari - for the very reason Plaintiff mentioned.

Though - I'm not sure the Qunari "don't" have their hands in the Veil tear - despite assertions of how wildly out of character it is.

If the Qunari were involved or in some way partially responsible, that could take the story in a very interesting direction. I would love to see how that would turn out...Perhaps a failed attempt by a Qunari to rid Thedas of magic forever?

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

"They looked upon what pride had wrought, and despaired."
Well, assuming the Tevinters used magic to eradicate the Qunari....I wonder what kind of new threat would rise. If this were to ever happen, I would like something other than another demonic entity born of Imperial magic. Perhaps their magic woke something deep beneath the earth?

Something like that, sure.  Questions that would arise would be why the Tevinter only now decide to resort to magically eradicating the Qunari...not unlike the way they annhilated Arlathan, if they had the means to do so all along.  So the next question comes, who made the decision to do something so drastic again, and why? Simple fanatical hatred?  Or do they know something about the Qunari we don't? 

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: while that did not occur to me, my unsupported theory is that ever since their defeat by Thedas mages... the Qunari have advanced their magical knowledge under the guise of saarebas oppression.

I think the Veil tear is an experiment (perhaps gone out of control) - and the purpose is to weaken the nations of Thedas as they all struggle and suffer to put the fire out.

Unlike that "evolution" thing I'm always blathering on about - I don't believe this has any supported info at all, I just like the concept.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

"They looked upon what pride had wrought, and despaired."
Well, assuming the Tevinters used magic to eradicate the Qunari....I wonder what kind of new threat would rise. If this were to ever happen, I would like something other than another demonic entity born of Imperial magic. Perhaps their magic woke something deep beneath the earth?

Something like that, sure.  Questions that would arise would be why the Tevinter only now decide to resort to magically eradicating the Qunari...not unlike the way they annhilated Arlathan, if they had the means to do so all along.  So the next question comes, who made the decision to do something so drastic again, and why? Simple fanatical hatred?  Or do they know something about the Qunari we don't? 

Hypothetically, let us assume that the Qunari were the cause of the Veil tear, and the Archon/Black Divine becomes aware of it. Perhaps the Qunari had attempted to remove magic forever, but failed, resulting in that Veil tear. In response, the Imperium decides to destroy the Qunari in one fell swoop, to prevent them from ever messing with magic again. Perhaps this attack on magic would scare the Tevinters into trying to recreate the Arlathan incident, by collectively pooling their powers. Heck, in response, the Tevinters might even waive that blood magic law in favor of going full out against the Qunari. Just a little speculation on my part.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 03:14 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Is this a rhetorical question? I'd pick Tevinter over any and all nations of Thedas but especially the Qunari. I'd turn their skulls into helmets for the Arcane Warriors of Tevinter to wear during parades.

The truth is the rest of Thedas if they had to chose would chose Tevinter over the Qunari. If it looked like the Qunari were gaining the upper hand the Black and White Chantries would both call an Exalted March together to beat them back just like they did before. Remember the only thing keeping the Qunari from destroying Thedas is Tevinter holding them in the north.

[TEWR]

Anaan Esaam Qun.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anaan Esaam Qun.

Getting Hardcore are we?

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anaan Esaam Qun.

*sigh*

Evil, don't make me have to face you on the field of battle.

[Hainkpe]

For the EMPIRE!

Of course.

What else is there? XD

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anaan Esaam Qun.

Manaveris Dracona!

[Wissenschaft]

The Qun is, at its core, a caste system. One in which you are tested into your caste instead of directly born into it by your parents. I despise caste systems so the Qun is disgusting and reprehensible in my eyes.

[Big I]

Tevinter appears to be the one most open to reform, so I suppose I'd pick them.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Is this a rhetorical question? I'd pick Tevinter over any and all nations of Thedas but especially the Qunari. I'd turn their skulls into helmets for the Arcane Warriors of Tevinter to wear during parades.

The truth is the rest of Thedas if they had to chose would chose Tevinter over the Qunari. If it looked like the Qunari were gaining the upper hand the Black and White Chantries would both call an Exalted March together to beat them back just like they did before. Remember the only thing keeping the Qunari from destroying Thedas is Tevinter holding them in the north.

Not really. The Qunari haven't been spending most of their effort trying to invade Tevinter. If anything I think the thing that has kept the Llomerryn Accord mostly intact is that the Qunari leadership doesn't feel ready to take on all the nations of Thedas at once again. When they do strike, they're going to want to take all their enemies down together.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Is this a rhetorical question? I'd pick Tevinter over any and all nations of Thedas but especially the Qunari. I'd turn their skulls into helmets for the Arcane Warriors of Tevinter to wear during parades.

The truth is the rest of Thedas if they had to chose would chose Tevinter over the Qunari. If it looked like the Qunari were gaining the upper hand the Black and White Chantries would both call an Exalted March together to beat them back just like they did before. Remember the only thing keeping the Qunari from destroying Thedas is Tevinter holding them in the north.

Not really. The Qunari haven't been spending most of their effort trying to invade Tevinter. If anything I think the thing that has kept the Llomerryn Accord mostly intact is that the Qunari leadership doesn't feel ready to take on all the nations of Thedas at once again. When they do strike, they're going to want to take all their enemies down together.

Tevinter is probably their biggest pain in the butt though. To get any real traction in Thedas, it would seem that the Imperium might be their biggest obstacle.

Modifié par eluvianix, 10 décembre 2013 - 04:35 .

[Silfren]

Wissenschaft wrote...

The Qun is, at its core, a caste system. One in which you are tested into your caste instead of directly born into it by your parents. I despise caste systems so the Qun is disgusting and reprehensible in my eyes.

In truth, Tevinter isn't actually that much different if you look at it a certain way.  Arguably most societies have a caste system of sorts--any society in which social class is largely determined at birth, really.  Even if there is the possibility of social mobility, in practical terms most people remain in whatever social class to which they're born.  So really, the Qunari system is just more honest and direct about it.

But getting back to Tevinter, you've the slave class, the liberati, the mages, the Magisters...it's not actually all that different when you boil it down, if the existence of the caste system is what bothers you.