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[KaiserShep]

Jebus, there's an actual chart of the Alliance budget? Are volus real?

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Shepard doing Arrival instead of anonymous troops was actually canonized in the books.

Bioware says there is no canon, also, it matters little to those whose main import still has no arrival dialogue in ME3

You sincerely believe there's literally "no canon" in Mass Effect?

Hell, you can't even get past the PC's name, Shepard, without a canonized element. 

[KaiserShep]

Commander Coogamelloncamp standing by.

[Erez Kristal]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...


Why not tell the Batarians point: No. Batarians could simply have spies everywhere... Again, the Alliance couldn't risk another war with the Batarians.

A) Shepard can be role played to trust cerberus.
the base assumption is that the alliance cant risk war with the batarians.
1 few questions a raised.
1) why is shepard still kept in custody after the batarians are hammered by the reapers.
2) why do the batarians accept shepard stay in custody and dont ask for his swift excution.
3) do we really expect to believe that the alliance cant claim shepard is in custody while shepard is running around free. batarians dont have spies everyway. and this is one person we are talking about not a fleet.

crimzontearz wrote...

Shepard Was Layed In detention due to fears from batarian war following the alpha relay and not because the alliance didnt believe the reapers(the alliance was working on reaper tech for at least 20 years) and reaper were common council knowledge since shanxi.

incorrect as you start in the same position if you import a Shepard that has not done Arrival

Shepard is still painted as the scape goat even if shepard didnt do arrival.
Otherwise. you would have a full blown batarian human war.

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...


I think it was well played... The Alliance couldn't afford another attack, like the Skyllian Verge, with a Reaper Invasion on its door and a recent destructed force by a Single Reaper.

Hardly Well played. considering the systems alliance lack of intel on whats going on in the batarians systems,. and also considering that if shepard can be held in custody. whats stopping the alliance from faking shepard in custody and giving the real shepard a mask/plastic surgery

(laughs)

That's up there with the Normandy crash site in ME2 being fabricated, erezike. 

Normandy Crash site is for a different topic- but you are very welcome to explained how the normandy derbis was so nice and tidy on such a small spread.

- Instead of deflecting you can explain why the alliance could strap a mask or sent shepard to a plastic surgery like is so common with nowdays criminals.

Modifié par erezike, 10 décembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Obadiah]

If you don't play Arrival, Shepard is a resurrected Spectre that was working with a known terrorist organization. People get arrested or detained for much less.

[KaiserShep]

How long did the Alliance know that the batarians were attacked by the reapers before Shepard was brought to the defense council (assuming that they even knew this happened beforehand)? I don't recall there being any real reference of time here to know.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 décembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Erez Kristal]

KaiserShep wrote...

How long did the Alliance know that the batarians were attacked by the reapers before Shepard was brought to the defense council (assuming that they even knew this happened beforehand)? I don't recall there being any real reference of time here to know.

http://blog.bioware..../alliancenews5/

I still dont buy the crappy alliance-council intel.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Ooh, an erezike heavy thread.

Like a Seival thread, but less of pure headcanon and more willful rejection of the lore.

all my input and interpretations are based on in game lore. unlike you. i keep my posts respectful and to the point.

Modifié par erezike, 10 décembre 2013 - 04:22 .

[crimzontearz]

You sincerely believe there's literally "no canon" in Mass Effect?

Hell, you can't even get past the PC's name, Shepard, without a canonized element.

Oh stop being willfully obtuse stargazer you know EXACTLY what I mean by that. Sure there are canonical events and cornerstones but that is definitely not one of them.

[KaiserShep]

Whether or not one buys their intel doesn't really matter. Whatever is stated is all we have to go with.

[crimzontearz]

Shepard is still painted as the scape goat even if shepard didnt do arrival.
Otherwise. you would have a full blown batarian human war.

in game dialogue contradicts that

[CynicalShep]

crimzontearz wrote...

You sincerely believe there's literally "no canon" in Mass Effect?

Hell, you can't even get past the PC's name, Shepard, without a canonized element.

Oh stop being willfully obtuse stargazer you know EXACTLY what I mean by that. Sure there are canonical events and cornerstones but that is definitely not one of them.

Yes it is. It's not in YOUR game but it's been recognized by Bioware. I can turn around and leave my computer before glowjob's appearance in ME3 but that doesn't mean he's not there. 

[KaiserShep]

I never really thought it worked all that well without Arrival. Anderson says "the sh*t you've done", but that sh*t generally involved saving lots of colonies and killing monsters, on top of shutting down mercenary operations.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Shepard doing Arrival instead of anonymous troops was actually canonized in the books.

Bioware says there is no canon, also, it matters little to those whose main import still has no arrival dialogue in ME3

You sincerely believe there's literally "no canon" in Mass Effect?

Hell, you can't even get past the PC's name, Shepard, without a canonized element. 

Shepard would also be Male Cannon, because of all the Codex Images that Use a Male Shep.

Also, no Cannon exist= No one will watch the ME Movie.

[KaiserShep]

heh, male cannon.

[crimzontearz]

If you don't play Arrival, Shepard is a resurrected Spectre that was working with a known terrorist organization. People get arrested or detained for much less.

a resurrected spectre working with Cerberus who had

1: his status reinstated directly by the council
2: the human councillor blessing
3: Hackett DIRECT ORDER to the fleet not to bother him
4: kicks Cerberus in the gonads at the end and costs them a multi billion credits ship, a base and personnel.

(at least in my playthrough)

So without Arrival WHY was he arrested????

[CynicalShep]

KaiserShep wrote...

heh, male cannon.

[10K]

let's just agree that both ME2 and ME3 both had their ups and downs. ME2 didn't do enough to prepare Shepard for the Reaper attack, or the plot of ME3. But the crew was entertaining and engaging. And ME3 just ended the series in a big mess. But the combat was fun.

There we go. Nuff said.

[crimzontearz]

Yes it is. It's not in YOUR game but it's been recognized by Bioware. I can turn around and leave my computer before glowjob's appearance in ME3 but that doesn't mean he's not there.

right and in my game Arrival might NOT have happened and the dialogue reflects that, I fail to see your point

[CynicalShep]

crimzontearz wrote...

Yes it is. It's not in YOUR game but it's been recognized by Bioware. I can turn around and leave my computer before glowjob's appearance in ME3 but that doesn't mean he's not there.

right and in my game Arrival might NOT have happened and the dialogue reflects that, I fail to see your point

What dialogue? "Shit you've done"? Really? Like what, save the galaxy f**kin' TWICE?

[KaiserShep]

mosesarose wrote...

let's just agree that both ME2 and ME3 both had their ups and downs. ME2 didn't do enough to prepare Shepard for the Reaper attack, or the plot of ME3. But the crew was entertaining and engaging. And ME3 just ended the series in a big mess. But the combat was fun.

There we go. Nuff said.

Heck I always saw the reaper plot as just a way to get all these people/aliens together, and then you get to kill the reapers after all the unity stuff is accomplished. Messy or no, I thought it was a great ride.

[crimzontearz]

What dialogue? "**** you've done"? Really? Like what, save the galaxy f**kin' TWICE?

Yes and the Batarian Terrorist does not ID you as responsible, and Anderson does not mention it at the beginning, so in my for all I know Arrival might nit gave involved Shepard, the fact the books say otherwise means little to people playing the game and being given a different scenario...you know like the way the choice of councilor was handled in the books

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Shepard doing Arrival instead of anonymous troops was actually canonized in the books.

Bioware says there is no canon, also, it matters little to those whose main import still has no arrival dialogue in ME3

You sincerely believe there's literally "no canon" in Mass Effect?

Hell, you can't even get past the PC's name, Shepard, without a canonized element. 

I'd be more worried about things like Councilor Udina, "Thanks for saving us from Saren and the Reapers", and the rachni queen.  No need for petty, hair-splitting details like the name.

Modifié par iakus, 10 décembre 2013 - 04:38 .

[Iakus]

KaiserShep wrote...

Heck I always saw the reaper plot as just a way to get all these people/aliens together, and then you get to kill the reapers after all the unity stuff is accomplished. Messy or no, I thought it was a great ride.

Well, up until Shepard got treated like a crash test dummy by the writers...

[Steelcan]

@OP, there was a group preparing for the Reapers in ME2 while the rest of the galaxy sat on its ass, but for some reason get all picky about their choice of allies

[Iakus]

Steelcan wrote...

@OP, there was a group preparing for the Reapers in ME2 while the rest of the galaxy sat on its ass, but for some reason get all picky about their choice of allies

Hey, let's leave Clan Urdnot out of this