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[Steelcan]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

luddites

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[themikefest]

The majority of my playthroughs are renegade and I don't like the robot and aliens. That's how I play my femshep.

[CronoDragoon]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I tend to metagame the hell out of certain RPGs, so certain Shepards are set up to fail.

I suppose I metagame the hell out of most RPGs. I realized this once I realize all my parties tend to be me and everyone else girls.

"Surely it's just this game"

(Remembers Cloud Tifa Yuffie)

"Well that doesn't-"

(Minato Mitsuru Aegis Yukari)

"Well that's absurd in Persona 4 I - "

(Yu Yukiko Chie Naoto)

"I just think they have better character designs damni-"

(Warden Leliana Morrigan Wynne)

"That's because mages are overpowe-"

(Baalspawn Jaheira Viconia Aerie)

****. Whatever, fine, I'm shallow.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

The idea that someone who 'hates' aliens and robots would ever spend time with science fiction clearly featuring both to begin with?

Fiction is meant to provoke responses about topics, themes, and conflicts, especially science-fiction.  

Distrust towards aliens and robots within sociological settings that feature them is a perfectly viable position to take.

Not one I take (I'm a per-individual type of guy who doesn't work in broad strokes), but viable. Acceptance isn't mandatory. 

[David7204]

Tell me Dreamgazer, on what basis do you think people 'hate' aliens and 'hate' robots?

[Sebby]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I would really like to see a correlation between how much people supposedly 'hate' synthetics and aliens and how far they lean on the Paragon/Renegade scale. I imagine it would be very interesting.

We tend to hate poorly written, inconsistent and derpy synths like the Geth and EDI. We like properly written Synths like Aigis and Labrys from Persona.

When it comes to aliens, if they're a threat to humanity then they have to put down like old yeller.

Modifié par Seboist, 11 décembre 2013 - 02:32 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me Dreamgazer, on what basis do you think people 'hate' aliens and 'hate' robots?

On their individual perceptions and biases. 

You have them, too. 

[Matthias King]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Well that's simple. I would fully expect people to 'hate' synthetics and aliens the more Renegade they lean.

Which is fine. The question is why. Particularly considering that it certainly seems to be Renegade players shrieking that Paragon players are 'blindly' picking the top choices and dialogue.

Or perhaps people tend renegade because they dislike aliens and synthetics?

Let's see. What is more ridiculous?

The idea that someone who 'hates' aliens and robots would ever spend time with science fiction clearly featuring both to begin with?

Or the idea that anyone but crazy rednecks worried about world domination and luddites 'hate' aliens and robots in the first place? Since they're not even proven/in existence yet?

Or the idea that aliens and synthetics in Mass Effect are so unlikeable and offensive that they deserve 'hate' when aliens and robots and other science fiction don't?

I have to admit, I had a bit of a hard time following this as well.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me Dreamgazer, on what basis do you think people 'hate' aliens and 'hate' robots?

On the basis of their actions and policies, perhaps?

[David7204]

So what perceptions and biases are those, exactly? Did a robot give them a dirty look? Or maybe there are too many aliens hanging around street corners?

[CronoDragoon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In some fiction, the audience is even supposed to hate non-humans. Take Battlestar Galatica for example. It's a story of humans trying to triumph over non humans. 

Well, at the beginning, yes. At the end (spoilers redacted)

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 11 décembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

So what perceptions and biases are those, exactly?

Ask them.  One person who distrusts aliens and robots isn't exactly the same as the other. 

[David7204]

Let's stop beating around the bush.

The answer is very simple. Renegade players hate aliens and synthetics because BioWare told them to.

BioWare made it clear Renegade players are pro human. They obediently obeyed. Simple as that.

[Excella Gionne]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Not really OP. Everyone from ME1 is off the crew in my opinion. Subtract Morinth, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Jack, Samara, Grunt, and EDI as well.

I'd have liked having more OC's that weren't a part of the alliance and were independent and had dark backgrounds.

Kirrahe would've been cool to have (or a Salarian operative), as well as a Batarian. I'd have Miranda, Jacob, James, and Javik as well. I suppose Kasumi or Zaeed would be the seventh character. Otherwise, give me the ability to dictate what all the squadmates do, whether they live or die, and whether they have good or bad relations with my Shepard, as well as being able to dictate my Shepard's actual attitude about everything. I'd like less action and more RP in my games.

I'm with Deinon on the conversations idea. It's too alliance-centric as it is in the game.

Yeah, the crew's too big, but I wouldn't pass it off if this was the case....

[wolfhowwl]

Or they chose Renegade options because those choices were closer to what they felt than the Paragon ones.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Let's stop beating around the bush.

(laughs)

HERE WE GO.  PUT ON YOUR SAFETY BELTS!

The answer is very simple. Renegade players hate aliens and synthetics because BioWare told them to.

BioWare made it clear Renegade players are pro human. They obediently obeyed. Simple as that.

Please, tell that to my alien-sympathizing, robot-sympathizing renegade. 

[Br3admax]

Pro-human=xenophobic.

That has to be one of the most nonsensical things I've heard in this thread.

[David7204]

First of all, Dreamgazer, did I ever say all Renegade players? No.

Secondly, I think it would I've been clear I'm talking about canon characters. I've played through Mass Effect as a Renegade. Does that mean I agree with anything Shepard does? Of course not. That's silly.

[Matthias King]

David7204 wrote...

Let's stop beating around the bush.

The answer is very simple. Renegade players hate aliens and synthetics because BioWare told them to.

BioWare made it clear Renegade players are pro human. They obediently obeyed. Simple as that.

I don't think that's a fair assessment.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

Let's stop beating around the bush.

The answer is very simple. Renegade players hate aliens and synthetics because BioWare told them to.

BioWare made it clear Renegade players are pro human. They obediently obeyed. Simple as that.

I'd say there are far more people out there mindlessly clicking the top of the wheel every single time and internalizing whatever position Shepard advocates than the opposite. I've played through the trilogy four times; none of them conformed with what you're suggesting here.

[CronoDragoon]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, Dreamgazer, did I ever say all Renegade players? No.

I hate oranges.

HAHA I never said I hate ALL oranges!

[themikefest]

David7204 wrote...

Let's stop beating around the bush.

The answer is very simple. Renegade players hate aliens and synthetics because BioWare told them to.

BioWare made it clear Renegade players are pro human. They obediently obeyed. Simple as that.

First off. You don't speak for me.

Second. The femshep that I play hates aliens and robot because I want her to not because Bioware told me to.