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[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

[dreamgazer]

Let's talk about your impending beating.

[wolfhowwl]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill Oghren. The last two can be removed from your party permanently at least.

[DeinonSlayer]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill (or at least stab) Morrigan in Witch Hunt (you can eject her from the party as soon as Lothering). You can kill Leliana in the "Sacred Ashes" quest if she's present when you defile the ashes, though her death was retconned in DA2 (which is hilarious if she was decapitated in the fight).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 décembre 2013 - 04:05 .

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

well you can, but retcon AHOY:wizard:

[Br3admax]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill Oghren. The last two can be removed from your party permanently at least.

I'm pretty sure Oghren lives no matter what you do to him. He'll just comeback in Awakening and congratulate you on it. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

Ohgren can die in Awakening, Morrigan can be told to gtfo (as well as stabbing her in Witch Hunt), and Leliana could be killed with the Cult of Andraste if you desecrate the Urn. Of course, that was completely retconned in DA2.

And you can't kill Dog either. That said, Dog is a non-sapient companion.

[Rotward]

Steelcan wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Allowing Legion to upload the code was a renegade option.

uhhhh no it wasn't

Allowing the legion VI to upload the code was, though 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill (or at least stab) Morrigan in Witch Hunt (you can eject her from the party as soon as Lothering). You can kill Leliana in the "Sacred Ashes" quest if she's present when you defile the ashes, though her death was retconned in DA2 (which is hilarious if she was decapitated in the fight).

I did that. She must be like Wolverine or something.

[Br3admax]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill (or at least stab) Morrigan in Witch Hunt (you can eject her from the party as soon as Lothering). You can kill Leliana in the "Sacred Ashes" quest if she's present when you defile the ashes, though her death was retconned in DA2 (which is hilarious if she was decapitated in the fight).

I don't think most people actually thought you could kill Morrigan. As to Leliana, it wasn't really retconned, in the traditional sense. This was a very simple case of the writers just not caring about decisions, especially considering they came right out and said it. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Let's talk about your impending beating.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[DeinonSlayer]

Rotward wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Allowing Legion to upload the code was a renegade option.

uhhhh no it wasn't

Allowing the legion VI to upload the code was, though 

Really? I thought uploading it was at the top of the wheel regardless of who the Quarian and Geth representatives were. It's at the top of the wheel with the VI who takes Legion's place if he dies; maybe it isn't the case if you sold him in ME2? Can't remember right now...

Seemed to me that the pro-Krogan and pro-Geth options were at the wheel 100% of the time, regardless of surrounding circumstances, with the exception of punching Gerrel being at the bottom. Curing the genophage with Wreav/noEve is at the top of the wheel if you don't have enough rep to persuade Mordin to stand down (but then, if you revealed the sabotage in the truck earlier (paragon) you have no choice but to proceed with the cure).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 décembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[Rotward]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill Oghren. The last two can be removed from your party permanently at least.

You can kill Leliana, I did. You have her in your party, then desecrate what's-her-name's ashes. I've seen Oghren killed, I dunno how they pulled it off though. 

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

Ohgren can die in Awakening,

Don't know if that really counts as you killing him, although I've always recruited him so maybe. Does he die from your hands if you don't recruit him? 

Morrigan can be told to gtfo (as well as stabbing her in Witch Hunt),

She doesn't die from that.

and Leliana could be killed with the Cult of Andraste if you desecrate the Urn. Of course, that was completely retconned in DA2.

The writers never cared for that, and if she doesn't die, you didn't really kill her. Someone has to die for them to be killed, Wynne withstanding of course.

And you can't kill Dog either. That said, Dog is a non-sapient companion.

You can kill Dog if you are not a HN. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 11 décembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[Rotward]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Allowing Legion to upload the code was a renegade option.

uhhhh no it wasn't

Allowing the legion VI to upload the code was, though 

Really? I thought uploading it was at the top of the wheel regardless of who the Quarian and Geth representatives were. It's at the top of the wheel with the VI who takes Legion's place if he dies; maybe it isn't the case if you sold him in ME2? Can't remember right now...

I might be remembering wrong, too, but I thought it was renegade. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't think he'll ever play it.

He probably knows it'll break his idea's on games completely.

Since you can be a jerk to all of your companions. You can tell them to leave. You can make them hate you. You can even kill all of them.

And no karma meter, just approval and disapproval.

The game might break his brain. Safer for him to snipe at it from a distance, even if his shots completely miss and backfire.

A... O... K... that's actually kind of funny.

But to the OP. Personally I never viewed the Paragon/Renegade system as a morality system (just me) but instead umbrella terms for different kinds of behavior. Like Paragon includes idealistic, diplomatic, consoling, etc actions while Renegade is pragmatic, intimidating, sarcastic, etc ones. Generally by Shepard's end up rather purple or green I guess (is that the color of the neutral options?).

[DeinonSlayer]

Rotward wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Allowing Legion to upload the code was a renegade option.

uhhhh no it wasn't

Allowing the legion VI to upload the code was, though 

Really? I thought uploading it was at the top of the wheel regardless of who the Quarian and Geth representatives were. It's at the top of the wheel with the VI who takes Legion's place if he dies; maybe it isn't the case if you sold him in ME2? Can't remember right now...

I might be remembering wrong, too, but I thought it was renegade.

I'm pretty sure uploading the code is always at the top of the wheel (which is hilarious, because when Shepard interrupts the VI's upload after initially permitting it, his dialogue (bottom of the wheel) says "Wrong answer. I was giving the Geth a chance for life, not to commit genocide"). Still, I'm pretty sure you don't actually get paragon or renegade points for choosing one side or the other, but that's where we get into conditioning behavior...

The paragon and renegade choice flip-flops depending on if you have the real or fake Rachni Queen, though. Saving the real queen is paragon. Saving the fake queen is renegade. The choice that gets you the most war assets goes to the top of the wheel.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 décembre 2013 - 04:33 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Conditioned behavior. What was hilarious was the first time I played the EC and chose destroy I got red, then green then blue then it went back to red. It couldn't make up its bloody mind. It was hilarious. It didn't matter anyway. It was still bad.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'm pretty sure uploading the code is always at the top of the wheel (which is hilarious, because when Shepard interrupts the VI's upload after initially permitting it, his dialogue (bottom of the wheel) says "Wrong answer. I was giving the Geth a chance for life, not to commit genocide"). 

I didn't get a line anything like that when I played that scene today. Unless Tali being dead has something to do with it? But I concur about wheel positions.

[insan3Spectre]

I finished the game yesterday and destroy was clearly the renegade option. I mean, come on, you are destroying all synthetic life. My character spent the last two games since meeting Legion and Edi getting to know them and understanding their race. She was a paragon. Therefore destroying Synthetics outright would completely go against her beliefs.

Also, there were other situations in ME3 where the top option felt more renegade in it's wording. At least that is the feeling I got.

[Han Shot First]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

 Would people still try to argue that Destroy is the Paragon choice?

The lack of a dialogue wheel for the ending choices makes them ambiguous, and I think that's a good thing. But there are many people who believe that Destroy is Paragon, and I just have to wonder what they would think if Destroy had been presented as a Renegade choice.

Destroy is the paragon choice.

If you roll through the game with low EMS which ending you get will be restricted by your morality choice in ME2. If you went renegade and kept the Collector Base, the only available ending is Control. If you went paragon and destroyed the Collector Base, the only available ending is Destroy.

[KaiserShep]

CosmicGnosis wrote...
Why can't Shepard just speak through the Reapers and explain what is happening? Maybe he could ask the galaxy what they think about the Reapers' presence?

In the end, Shepard would still be speaking through the booming voice of the very thing that was trying to kill everyone. Consider the source and what the galaxy experienced, and you have a good idea of what the general consensus would be. It would be pretty much unanimous that people want the reapers to leave, because they're massive walking skyscrapers that could, at any time, turn around and vaporize them all for who knows why.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 décembre 2013 - 07:43 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

KaiserShep wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...
Why can't Shepard just speak through the Reapers and explain what is happening? Maybe he could ask the galaxy what they think about the Reapers' presence?

In the end, Shepard would still be speaking through the booming voice of the very thing that was trying to kill everyone. Consider the source and what the galaxy experienced, and you have a good idea of what the general consensus would be. It would be pretty much unanimous that people want the reapers to leave, because they're massive walking skyscrapers that could, at any time, turn around and vaporize them all for who knows why.

So the Reapers would become basically the Mosura/Mothra of the Mass Effect universe, seperate from galactic society until needed to protect them.

[Cknarf]

I don't consider Destroy to be a renegade option necessarily, as I play as 80% Paragon, and it still seems like the best solution to the reaper threat. I don't believe anyone can be trusted with controlling the reapers, not even Shepard. It is a power that no one should have.

[Killdren88]

In case 'its the only Renegade choice I make with my Paragon Shep.