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The Mad Hanar wrote...

People have considered Destroy as the Renegade choice since the first 10 hours after the game has been released.

Blue = Paragon
Red = Renegade
Green = Random color that just popped up

I think your mistaken.


I'd like to know though was Bioware surprised that Destroy was by far the most popular choice.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 11 décembre 2013 - 05:26 .

[DeinonSlayer]

DinoSteve wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People have considered Destroy as the Renegade choice since the first 10 hours after the game has been released.

Blue = Paragon
Red = Renegade
Green = Random color that just popped up

I think your mistaken.


I'd like to know though was Bioware surprised that Destroy was by far the most popular choice.

Probably. The pre-EC ending sequence did everything short of hitting you over the head with a mallet to push you towards synthesis.

[KaiserShep]

I wonder how many players were even capable of achieving Synthesis in the first place. After the EC, the requirements were lowered substantially, but before that, I imagine quite a few only had the two options, if not just one in the case of those who simply rushed through the game.

[Bourne Endeavor]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill (or at least stab) Morrigan in Witch Hunt (you can eject her from the party as soon as Lothering). You can kill Leliana in the "Sacred Ashes" quest if she's present when you defile the ashes, though her death was retconned in DA2 (which is hilarious if she was decapitated in the fight).

Careful. Gaider will pitch an absolute fit if he sees this. According to him, that was not a retcon. We just did not understand what really happened and just because we think she died, doesn't mean she did.

Now this I've got to hear...

It got posted all over the place. So, enjoy!

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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 You can even kill all of them.

You can't kill Oghren, Morrigan, or Leliana. 

You can kill (or at least stab) Morrigan in Witch Hunt (you can eject her from the party as soon as Lothering). You can kill Leliana in the "Sacred Ashes" quest if she's present when you defile the ashes, though her death was retconned in DA2 (which is hilarious if she was decapitated in the fight).

Careful. Gaider will pitch an absolute fit if he sees this. According to him, that was not a retcon. We just did not understand what really happened and just because we think she died, doesn't mean she did.

Now this I've got to hear...

It got posted all over the place. So, enjoy!

Pic of posts

From the thread itself

So decapitation doesn't work the way decapitation works? I did that to Lel once. I only think she's dead.

[CronoDragoon]

The argument is one of gameplay/story segregation. Just because a gameplay killstroke trigger can fire randomly for some players doesn't mean that's the exact way Leliana does in the overarching story.

And from what I understand her death isn't retconned. She actually did die, but Andraste revived her, or some other handwave that still preserves  the canon that the Warden killed her.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 11 décembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[AlanC9]

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd like to know though was Bioware surprised that Destroy was by far the most popular choice.

They never did release official percentages. BSN polls are worthless since we're very different from the typical player.

The infographic says EDI survives 44% of the time, but I don't really know what that stat is measuring. I think KaiserShep's right that a high percentage of players played low EMS games, but low enough to get squadmates vaporized?

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 décembre 2013 - 06:00 .

[dreamgazer]

I saw a Tumblr comic one time that had tons of people in the comments/reblogs who ate the EDI-Joker romance up with a spoon. So, yeah, the BSN isn't necessarily indicative of the realm beyond.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 11 décembre 2013 - 06:05 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

 It would probably get the same reaction as ME2's Legion LM decision. A lot of Paragons took issue with re-write being the Paragon choice, because up to that point, the Paragon dialogue was advocating destroying them (on moral grounds).

[KaiserShep]

I like Legion's response to the paragon dialogue questioning the ethics of rewriting them though: "If we do not overwrite them, we destroy them. Do not hesitate now. They will exterminate your species because their gods tell them to. You cannot negotiate with them. They do not share your pity, remorse, or fear."

[CronoDragoon]

I don't really feel comfortable telling Joker to go for it or not, but iirc there's no "you're an adult do what you want" option.

[Eryri]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
If you really think that such conflict is inevitable you should be picking synthesis.

I don't, but that's beside the point.  Even if it were inevitable I believe the races of the galaxy should be free to find a solution of their own, with the lessons of history to draw from.

Not to mention that you would have to hope that this version of synthesis actually meets the Catalyst's standards. There's no particular reason to believe that he will cease to exist if synthesis is chosen. He admits to having tried a form of synthesis once already, and to being dissatisfied with the results. Who's to say that he won't find this version similarly wanting (according to whatever arcane criteria he uses to judge it)? He would still have an armada of Reapers with which to "reset" his little experiment.

Modifié par Eryri, 11 décembre 2013 - 06:46 .

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

I saw a Tumblr comic one time that had tons of people in the comments/reblogs who ate the EDI-Joker romance up with a spoon. So, yeah, the BSN isn't necessarily indicative of the realm beyond.

I don't hate EDI, and I don't care one way or the other about the EDI-Joker romance.

I just wish she wasn't stuffed into a hilariously oversexualized fembot.

[DeinonSlayer]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't really feel comfortable telling Joker to go for it or not, but iirc there's no "you're an adult do what you want" option.

There is an option to discourage the relationship on the grounds that EDI isn't mature enough for one. You can explain that to both of them (the "stay her friend" option), and given that you're The Shepard, they do as you say without resistance. I'm paraphrasing, but what you say to her is something like "EDI, if you were human, you'd still be learning how to talk."

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 décembre 2013 - 06:46 .

[KaiserShep]

Personally I enjoy EDI's character too much to really care about the fembot body.

[Bourne Endeavor]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The argument is one of gameplay/story segregation. Just because a gameplay killstroke trigger can fire randomly for some players doesn't mean that's the exact way Leliana does in the overarching story.

And from what I understand her death isn't retconned. She actually did die, but Andraste revived her, or some other handwave that still preserves  the canon that the Warden killed her.

I just looked up her codex that offers an 'explanation.'

"There are many tales of Leliana, Orlesian adventuress and bard, the most recent being that she fought against the Fifth Blight. Some even say she died at the hands of the Hero of Ferelden. How she could be alive—and reportedly acting as an agent of the Divine—is unknown. Perhaps the story of her death is exaggerated... or perhaps the supposed place of her demise, the altar of the fabled Urn of Sacred Ashes, is also the place of her rebirth. The truth remains to be seen."

Unless BioWare actually dedicates a decent plot point to this. We have what looks to be a blatant retcon masquerading as a copout. I wager they never touch this topic again and that codex entry was flippant way of explaining what happened.

DeinonSlayer wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't really feel comfortable telling Joker to go for it or not, but iirc there's no "you're an adult do what you want" option.

There is an option to discourage the relationship on the grounds that EDI isn't mature enough for one. You can explain that to both of them (the "stay her friend" option), and given that you're The Shepard, they do as you say without resistance. I'm paraphrasing, but what you say to her is something like "EDI, if you were human, you'd still be learning how to talk."

I just did this part yesterday. The dialogue is roughly paraphrased as, "If you need to ask this many questions. Maybe this isn't such a good idea."

Personally, I disliked the whole romance aspect between Joker and EDI because of how forced it felt. They practically cram it down your throat, though the saving grace is both characters are otherwise solid enough most just go with it. That being said, I still believe EDI as a squadmate was a copout so they could avoid using ME2's cast.

[ImaginaryMatter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

So decapitation doesn't work the way decapitation works? I did that to Lel once. I only think she's dead.

It was just a flesh wound...

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AlanC9 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd like to know though was Bioware surprised that Destroy was by far the most popular choice.

They never did release official percentages. BSN polls are worthless since we're very different from the typical player.

The infographic says EDI survives 44% of the time, but I don't really know what that stat is measuring. I think KaiserShep's right that a high percentage of players played low EMS games, but low enough to get squadmates vaporized?

Wasn't going by BSN polls.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I saw a Tumblr comic one time that had tons of people in the comments/reblogs who ate the EDI-Joker romance up with a spoon. So, yeah, the BSN isn't necessarily indicative of the realm beyond.

I don't hate EDI, and I don't care one way or the other about the EDI-Joker romance.

I just wish she wasn't stuffed into a hilariously oversexualized fembot.

Agreed, especially about the exaggerated physical platform (they had far more "sensible" concepts at their fingertips).

[CronoDragoon]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Unless BioWare actually dedicates a decent plot point to this. We have what looks to be a blatant retcon masquerading as a copout. I wager they never touch this topic again and that codex entry was flippant way of explaining what happened.

Gaider said there will be reactivity with Leliana in DAI regarding whether or not the Warden killer her/they turned on each other at the ashes, which is enough. There's no need to devote a decent plot point to something that - *gasp* - is not a big freaking deal. I have no sympathy for players who feel otherwise.

[Sir DeLoria]

Robosexual wrote...
Killing the love of the life of someone who has saved your life countless times, destroying the infastructure and foundations of galactic civilisation that no one knows how to rebuild, and crippling the galaxy to an almost complete standstill.

Or

Sacrificing yourself to control the Reapers.

Yeah, it's a bit more than "one dead robot".

The damage caused by both Control and Destroy is more or less equal. A damaged Crucible will lead to Earth getting fried regardless of choice and an undamaged Crucible will lead to minimal damage regardless of choice. All high EMS endings result in the relays being repaired quickly. 

And I'd much rather kill the love of Joker's life than that of my Shep's LI(not that I supported that weirdo relationship in the first place).

[AlanC9]

DinoSteve wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd like to know though was Bioware surprised that Destroy was by far the most popular choice.

They never did release official percentages. BSN polls are worthless since we're very different from the typical player.

The infographic says EDI survives 44% of the time, but I don't really know what that stat is measuring. I think KaiserShep's right that a high percentage of players played low EMS games, but low enough to get squadmates vaporized?

Wasn't going by BSN polls.

If you've got real data I'd love to see it.

[Bourne Endeavor]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Unless BioWare actually dedicates a decent plot point to this. We have what looks to be a blatant retcon masquerading as a copout. I wager they never touch this topic again and that codex entry was flippant way of explaining what happened.

Gaider said there will be reactivity with Leliana in DAI regarding whether or not the Warden killer her/they turned on each other at the ashes, which is enough. There's no need to devote a decent plot point to something that - *gasp* - is not a big freaking deal. I have no sympathy for players who feel otherwise.

That was what I meant in regards to "decent plot." So we shall see how that goes.

[AlanC9]

Necanor wrote...
The damage caused by both Control and Destroy is more or less equal. A damaged Crucible will lead to Earth getting fried regardless of choice and an undamaged Crucible will lead to minimal damage regardless of choice. All high EMS endings result in the relays being repaired quickly. 

Low-EMS Control's VFX look a lot less damaging than those in low-EMS Destroy. I suppose you can argue that the scene is misleading or some such.

As for "quickly". -- how quickly? By human standards, or asari standards? And equally quickly?

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
The damage caused by both Control and Destroy is more or less equal. A damaged Crucible will lead to Earth getting fried regardless of choice and an undamaged Crucible will lead to minimal damage regardless of choice. All high EMS endings result in the relays being repaired quickly. 

Low-EMS Control's VFX look a lot less damaging than those in low-EMS Destroy. I suppose you can argue that the scene is misleading or some such.

As for "quickly". -- how quickly? By human standards, or asari standards? And equally quickly?

Low EMS Control=Mid EMs Destroy, damage-wise.

And in High EMS Control, the Reapers repair the relays, while the galaxy has to figure it out on their own in High EMS Destroy.  Which implies a much longer rebuilding process in Destroy.