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[KaiserShep]

spinachdiaper wrote...

i said it before, destroy should of destroyed all technology and sent everyone back to the bronze age

Nah.



Besides, you can always just do low-EMS destroy and kill everyone. Considering how catastrophic the effect would be if all technology simply stopped dead, being vaporized would likely be a much easier death.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[MegaSovereign]

I tried to do a low-EMS run and I still couldn't get the vaporization ending. The requirements are so low that it's actually easier to get the high tier endings. What a fantastic system Bioware had setup.

[Deathsaurer]

It's great when your spec ops team is so big that you could start a default Shepard derp everything and still get the best endings.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Deathsaurer wrote...

It's great when your spec ops team is so big that you could start a default Shepard derp everything and still get the best endings.

Obviously the fate of the galaxy hinges on the capabilities of a few N7s to hold Fire Base: Red.

[ImaginaryMatter]

KaiserShep wrote...

spinachdiaper wrote...

i said it before, destroy should of destroyed all technology and sent everyone back to the bronze age

Nah.

Besides, you can always just do low-EMS destroy and kill everyone. Considering how catastrophic the effect would be if all technology simply stopped dead, being vaporized would likely be a much easier death.

Although I have always wondered how the high EMS Destroy ending differentiated between basic tech and sentient AI tech.

[KaiserShep]

Well it's no daffier than synthesis, which simply rewrites everything....somehow.

[CosmicGnosis]

I just thought of something about the damaged relays. Perhaps the knowledge gained during the construction of the Crucible could be applied to the restoration of the relays?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ya, questioning the ending makes me feel like a space muggle.

[ImaginaryMatter]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I just thought of something about the damaged relays. Perhaps the knowledge gained during the construction of the Crucible could be applied to the restoration of the relays?

Eh, maybe, almost next to nothing is actually known about the Crucible though.

[Sir DeLoria]

spinachdiaper wrote...

i said it before, destroy should of destroyed all technology and sent everyone back to the bronze age

Why the hell should that have happened?

[wolfhowwl]

Yeah...

I can see it destroying the Relays but not my laptop.

[CosmicGnosis]

To those who say that Destroy is Paragon because the Low-EMS variant depends upon the destruction of the Collector Base in ME2, keep in mind that this is quite possibly the worst ending. Low-EMS Destroy annihilates most life in the galaxy, whereas Low-EMS Control just damages things.

... Shouldn't the Catalyst prefer Refuse to Low-EMS Destroy?

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I don't think a part of the vision for these endings was that each of them represent a specific path, like Paragon and Renegade. It's like Saving the Council VS Holding back your ships, it can be endlessly debated. Not everything has to be clear cut.

[JasonShepard]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

... Shouldn't the Catalyst prefer Refuse to Low-EMS Destroy?

Yeah, I agree. That still bugs me, that the Catalyst seems to think burning the entire galaxy down to start again from square one is better than it's cycles. The cycles may not be perfect (in its eyes) but Low EMS Destroy has got to be worse, right?

[Han Shot First]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

To those who say that Destroy is Paragon because the Low-EMS variant depends upon the destruction of the Collector Base in ME2, keep in mind that this is quite possibly the worst ending. Low-EMS Destroy annihilates most life in the galaxy, whereas Low-EMS Control just damages things.

Low EMS Destroy might be the worst ending (after Refuse) in terms of damage, but that doesn't have a link to the morality of the choice. Destroy was clearly intended as the paragon option. It has Anderson (a paragon) as its avatar, and in Low EMS variants it will be the only ending available to someone who chose to destroy the Collector base (a paragon decision). In contrast Control has TIM (a renegade) for an avatar, and in a Low EMS playthrough it will be the only ending available to a player who kept the Collector Base. (a renegade decision)

Destroy was quite obviously supposed to be the paragon option and Control the renegade. Of course that isn't to say that a player can't disagree with how Bioware presented the endings. It wouldn't be the first paragon/renegade decision that some players disagreed with. Quite a few people thought that the paragon/renegade choices in Legion's loyalty mission should have been reversed.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 décembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[KaiserShep]

I might argue that Refuse is the closest thing to the paragon choice here, foolish as the decision may be. You have the character refusing the idea of destroying all synthetics, forcibly altering life in the galaxy and lording over them for all eternity at the same time.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 décembre 2013 - 02:11 .

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

I might argue that Refuse is the closest thing to the paragon choice here, foolish as the decision may be. You have the character refusing the idea of destroying all synthetics, forcibly altering life in the galaxy and lording over them for all eternity at the same time.

Refuse leads to much, much worse things, so I have to disagree.

[AlanC9]

I think the point might that Paragons don't worry about consequences so much as they worry about doing the Right Thing.

Whether that's actually true is something I can't judge; I don't take the P/R system seriously enough.

Modifié par AlanC9, 12 décembre 2013 - 04:56 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Necanor wrote...

Refuse leads to much, much worse things, so I have to disagree.

It is the most idealistic ending though, which is kind of the paragon's main shtick, the ole' "We'll die, but we'll die free" thing.

[Vicious]

Although I have always wondered how the high EMS Destroy ending differentiated between basic tech and sentient AI tech.

Easy, it killed everything based on Reaper tech, so Geth and EDI are included. Yeah,  too bad you couldn't tell Legion to wait a little bit before dooming his people.

How? Magic, obviously.

Modifié par Vicious, 12 décembre 2013 - 07:58 .

[Reorte]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Refuse leads to much, much worse things, so I have to disagree.

It is the most idealistic ending though, which is kind of the paragon's main shtick, the ole' "We'll die, but we'll die free" thing.

That works for a bunch of people facing up to an enemy, not so much when you're condemning every else whether they agree or not. The soldiers standing up saying "We'll die free!" don't look so paragon when they're sitting back to die to let their families be raped and pillaged.

[Han Shot First]

Vicious wrote...

Although I have always wondered how the high EMS Destroy ending differentiated between basic tech and sentient AI tech.

Easy, it killed everything based on Reaper tech, so Geth and EDI are included. Yeah,  too bad you couldn't tell Legion to wait a little bit before dooming his people.

How? Magic, obviously.

Also, originally it didn't. In the original ending it was heavily implied that the galaxy entered a technological dark age in all three endings.

As it was one of the more unpopular aspects of those endings, it was retcon'd a bit with the Extended Cut. Or at least it was with the High EMS variants.

[AlanC9]

Vicious wrote...
Easy, it killed everything based on Reaper tech, so Geth and EDI are included. Yeah,  too bad you couldn't tell Legion to wait a little bit before dooming his people.

Without the Reaper tech the geth are exterminated anyway.

[jamesp81]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

If Destroy had been clearly conveyed as a Renegade choice, such as placing it at the bottom-right of the dialogue wheel, what would have been the common reaction? Frustration that killing the Reapers is the "bad" choice? Satisfaction from the fact that Paragon is finally not the "right" choice? Would people still try to argue that Destroy is the Paragon choice?

The lack of a dialogue wheel for the ending choices makes them ambiguous, and I think that's a good thing. But there are many people who believe that Destroy is Paragon, and I just have to wonder what they would think if Destroy had been presented as a Renegade choice.


EDIT: To those who say that Destroy is Paragon because the Low-EMS variant depends upon the destruction of the Collector Base in ME2 (Paragon choice), keep in mind that this is quite possibly the worst ending. Low-EMS Destroy annihilates most life in the galaxy, whereas Low-EMS Control just damages things.

If Destroy had been conveyed as Renegade I'd still have taken it, even as Paragon / Paragade.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Vicious wrote...
Easy, it killed everything based on Reaper tech, so Geth and EDI are included. Yeah,  too bad you couldn't tell Legion to wait a little bit before dooming his people.

Without the Reaper tech the geth are exterminated anyway.

Which is BS. The threat of the upload alone is enough to bring about a ceasefire. I'd trust that code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station.

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