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[Hellion Rex]

TheRedVipress wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

This seems like a clear case of the "Rule-of-Cool", and I can't say that I was thrilled to see it.

You didn't enjoy watching the parade of hot Qunari flesh?

I don't begrudge anyone of his pleasures in this particular area, nor see a point in arguing what is the meaning of "sexy" or "erotic" - but I don't swing that way, and considering that the Qunari we saw were all males, well, I didn't see anything particularly appealing about that. (I simply didn't notice it in *this* way, but it didn't really bother me.)

Twas a jest, my friend.

[Laughing_Man]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Armor is for pansies is why. And maybe they prefer speed in combat over being encased in armour.

Next thing we know, Qunari get an Ego shield.
Excuse me, I think I'm going to be sick... I was reminded of something horrible.

[Laughing_Man]

eluvianix wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

This seems like a clear case of the "Rule-of-Cool", and I can't say that I was thrilled to see it.

You didn't enjoy watching the parade of hot Qunari flesh?

I don't begrudge anyone of his pleasures in this particular area, nor see a point in arguing what is the meaning of "sexy" or "erotic" - but I don't swing that way, and considering that the Qunari we saw were all males, well, I didn't see anything particularly appealing about that. (I simply didn't notice it in *this* way, but it didn't really bother me.)

Twas a jest, my friend.

Ow. My bad...

[Vulpe]

thats1evildude wrote...

I assume the paint they wear conveys protection against certain magical attacks, kind of like how kaddis protects your dog. That's why the qunari were irritatingly resistant to fire and electricity in DA2.

It could also be very good against mosquitos.

thats1evildude wrote...
The people in DA are generally made of iron and can suffer being impaled, sliced, set on fire and shot full of arrows without permanent damage..

almostinsane99 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I thought that was explained by the shipwreck cant swim in heavy armor

That's what I thought, but they seem to wear the same type of armor here:

1) Qunari live in tropical weather all the time. Less clothes, more comfort.

2) Heavy armor is hard to get off and is inpractical on sea. Most likely went down with the ship

3) Even if they wanted to, they couldn't save the heavy armor. They would have sunk with it.

4) They couldn't make new armor because they don't know how. All the qunari from Kirkwall were part of the Arishok - soldiers. The Arigena are the ones that manufacture those.Those guys wouldn't know to repair their damaged armor.Making new one is out of discussion ( In your face qunari.Maybe now they'll see that sometimes theit repartisations are bad )

5) Qunari are arrogant. I doubt they would spend their money to buy bas armor. I don't even think they would find some that fits their size 

6) It is not uncommon that warriors would wear nothing or close to nothing and we can see examples from our real life history :

Gallic warriors



Celtic warriors



Dacian warriors



German warrior



Sorry, couldn't restrain myself 

7) Heavy armor is restraining and uncomfortable. It wouldn't make sens to wear it outside of the battlefield.

8) Their armor seems to be made through and unknown method , from here the difficulty of replicationg it even if the soldiers would have tried ( but they didn't 'cause The Qun demands that only women can be crafters )

9) This one is optional, but if you see them as a race that was created by magicaly altering another existing race ( I think the best bet are humans ) through the use of dragon blood like I do, then it wouldn't be that hard to believe that their skin is more resistant that the one of the other races due to the dragon blood altering. Their skin could could have the same resistance as rhino skin, but without all those irregularities on the skin do to the possibly magical origin of the grey giant race.

If I had to guess, I would say that this is how their medium armor would look like 



As for the heavy one, I think it would be similar to the one of the male qunari inquisitor armor that I can't seem to find.I will come back with an edit. 

Until then, here's a fat qunari :



EDIT

10) Qunari could not have the metal resources to make full plate armors like the rest of Thedas, so they mostly use it to make their weapons. They might get some extra metal by trading with the rivaini, through

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Commander Kurt]

So Qunari are the new elves?

I agree. It wasn't perfect in DAO, it wasn't perfect in DA2. Maybe it will be done according to my tastes in DAI, or it will not. Good thing someone will probably like it regardless.

[AtreiyaN7]

I mostly just write it off as strictures/rules/a cultural practices that the warrior caste adheres to. They go cuckoo when they lose their swords like Sten did, so maybe this is just another...oddity...specific to the warrior caste. Or perhaps they do it on purpose to intimidate their opponents and as a way of showing their complete disdain for their enemies. *shrug*

In any case, I'm not really overly bothered by their lack of armor - it's pretty low on my list of concerns.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 11 décembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[Rhayth]

DA2 did have the shipwreck excuse as mentioned earlier. While armour can be stored below decks when abandoning a sinking ship one does not attempt to carry a stash of heavy armour to shore. Even if two of them grabbed and lugged together they would most likely be brought under by the weight.

An argument could be made as to why they didn't purchase more whilst in Kirkwall but they seemed pretty stand off-ish from just about everything. I'd assumed they hunted for their own food as oppose to using the market. As a prideful bunch I doubt they would ask or purchase anything off of heathens.

I'm sure under times of war they done appropriate armour as they seem like the kind of race that enjoys uniformed soldiers (all looking the same and not wanting diversity among soldiers). Being that they were merely on there way to pick up a Tome from a predetermined meet up point they probably brought only so much armour AND figured their extremely ridiculous numbers for a simple trade were more than sufficient. This is all just my assumption from what I understand of their culture.

Also thank you JullianWellpit for your post.  Throughout history not all armies have had or been able to armour their troops.  Most have often had to use most of their resources making weapons as oppose to armour as they couldn't mine metal resources as easily as we do today.  So while it's often presented in movies of whole armies fully outfitted in full armour, shields, and swords it's just not realistic in most cases.  Most of your pawn soldiers (civillian conscripts) had bare minimum armour and weaponry.  In some cases these civillians ripped from their homes had only the weapons they brought with them.  Armies didn't always work the way they do now...or in movies.

Modifié par Rhayth, 11 décembre 2013 - 07:33 .

[Dayze]

Thinking about it; Tallis did wear some amount of torso-protecting armor and even showed off a little less of her chest area than most Qunari seem wont to do.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well, Qunari armies ARE fully equiped by the state, so that media has an unrealistic portrayal of medieval armies, doesn't realyl matter in this case.
That being said, I see no issue with the Qunari we have encoutnered so far wearing little to no armor, since it makes sense given the circumstances.

@Julian I would imagine that Qunari warriors are expected to be able to maintain their own equipment and even to make field repairs, considering that the craftsmen of the Qunari are NOT comming along with the army. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised either if the role of armor- and weaponsmith is actually a role that falls within the Antaam and not the craftsmen, considering that the purpose of the product created is specifically millitary.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 11 décembre 2013 - 08:17 .

[Vulpe]

Rhayth wrote...


Also thank you JullianWellpit for your post.  Throughout history not all armies have had or been able to armour their troops.  Most have often had to use most of their resources making weapons as oppose to armour as they couldn't mine metal resources as easily as we do today.  So while it's often presented in movies of whole armies fully outfitted in full armour, shields, and swords it's just not realistic in most cases.  Most of your pawn soldiers (civillian conscripts) had bare minimum armour and weaponry.  In some cases these civillians ripped from their homes had only the weapons they brought with them.  Armies didn't always work the way they do now...or in movies.

You make a very good point. Qunari could not have enough metal in Seheron and Par Vollen to make knight like armors and they would use it only to make their weapons and cannons. They might get some by traiding with their rivaini allies.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Well, Qunari armies ARE fully equiped by the state, so that media has an unrealistic portrayal of medieval armies, doesn't realyl matter in this case.
That being said, I see no issue with the Qunari we have encoutnered so far wearing little to no armor, since it makes sense given the circumstances.

@Julian I would imagine that Qunari warriors are expected to be able to maintain their own equipment and even to make field repairs, considering that the craftsmen of the Qunari are NOT comming along with the army. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised either if the role of armor- and weaponsmith is actually a role that falls within the Benesaad and not the craftsmen, considering that the purpose of the product created is specifically millitary.

I get your point regarding repairing and maintaining the equipment, but I doubt that they can make armors from scratch. I might add that most of their armor looks like it's made from leather straps that have been arranged in a certain pattern.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 07:55 .

[Rolling Flame]

Not really, it was justifiable in Kirkwall, and Par Vollen is said to be quite tropical.

However, I'd rather they be clad in the steel armour the codex makes a specific reference to.

[EmperorSahlertz]

JulianWellpit wrote...

I get your point regarding repairing and maintaining the equipment, but I doubt that they can make armors from scratch. I might add that most of their armor looks like it's made from leather straps that have been arranged in a certain pattern.

We have only seen marines in great detail, and they had recently suffered a shipwreck. There are many reason as to hwy marines would only be lightly armored. However worthy of note, is the Benesaad we encounter in Sten's nightmare, who are equiped in fullplate. Notably this plate is of Thedosian design, but I'd say that is the limit of the game, since they weren't going to design a unique Qunari armor for use in a single short optional scene. But it serves to show that the idea of heavily armored Qunari is not unheard of.

[Lotion Soronarr]

almostinsane99 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I thought that was explained by the shipwreck cant swim in heavy armor

That's what I thought, but they seem to wear the same type of armor here:

There's so much wrong with this picture....

[Vulpe]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

I get your point regarding repairing and maintaining the equipment, but I doubt that they can make armors from scratch. I might add that most of their armor looks like it's made from leather straps that have been arranged in a certain pattern.

We have only seen marines in great detail, and they had recently suffered a shipwreck. There are many reason as to hwy marines would only be lightly armored. However worthy of note, is the Benesaad we encounter in Sten's nightmare, who are equiped in fullplate. Notably this plate is of Thedosian design, but I'd say that is the limit of the game, since they weren't going to design a unique Qunari armor for use in a single short optional scene. But it serves to show that the idea of heavily armored Qunari is not unheard of.

I'm not denying the existence of qunari heavy armor, I just think that is uncommon and used only in certain situations and I doubt that the soldiers can make their own armor from brute materials. 

[Fredward]

Or! Or! Maybe some Qunari are heavy infantry and others are light? Yes? No? Maybe?

[Rhayth]

JulianWellpit wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

I get your point regarding repairing and maintaining the equipment, but I doubt that they can make armors from scratch. I might add that most of their armor looks like it's made from leather straps that have been arranged in a certain pattern.

We have only seen marines in great detail, and they had recently suffered a shipwreck. There are many reason as to hwy marines would only be lightly armored. However worthy of note, is the Benesaad we encounter in Sten's nightmare, who are equiped in fullplate. Notably this plate is of Thedosian design, but I'd say that is the limit of the game, since they weren't going to design a unique Qunari armor for use in a single short optional scene. But it serves to show that the idea of heavily armored Qunari is not unheard of.

I'm not denying the existence of qunari heavy armor, I just think that is uncommon and used only in certain situations and I doubt that the soldiers can make their own armor from brute materials. 

You also have to consider there was only so much armour in DAO.  Essentially they had the choice of light, medium, heavy, or mage archon robes.  It's not like they had a specific look like they did in DA2 where they were vastly different.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Or! Or! Maybe some Qunari are heavy infantry and others are light? Yes? No? Maybe?

That is very possible. The Qunari marines we see in DA2 may wear light armor due to being on a ship and thus not a real need for it, or at least the cons outweigh the pros, while classes such as the Beresaad vanguards wear heavier armor due to them being seperate from the main force and thus have to be more self-reliant on defense.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 11 décembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Naked Gallic and Celtic Warriors? lol

Now I understand (remember) why they failed miserably against the Romans and Germanic tribes!

[Uccio]

Didn't first Qunari invasion rely on armor and weapons made of superior steel? Atleast thats what I remember reading from the Origin codex. Thats why I was suprised to see Qunari in DA2 dressed up like indians on a warpath. None of them had armor or swords, just bodypaint and spears.

[Vulpe]

@Kaiser Arian

The Germans fought naked too. Also, the Romans had some serious problems with the north of Britain. 

The dacians also fought shirtless or in lineem shirts against the romans. The roman-dacian war is the only case when the romans changet their gear to face them. The dacians basically drilled their heads and cut off their hands and feet with the flax.Who knows how the war might have ended if they weren't betrayed and the romans wouldn't have found where Sarmizegetusa's water supplie came from.

Armor helps a lot, but it's not that crucial as it might seem.

Ukki wrote...

Didn't first Qunari invasion rely on armor and weapons made of superior steel? Atleast thats what I remember reading from the Origin codex. Thats why I was suprised to see Qunari in DA2 dressed up like indians on a warpath. None of them had armor or swords, just bodypaint and spears.

They could have a similar method of making weapons like the japanese did their katanas

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 10:12 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

JulianWellpit wrote...

I'm not denying the existence of qunari heavy armor, I just think that is uncommon and used only in certain situations and I doubt that the soldiers can make their own armor from brute materials. 

A field repair in medieval sense would be to patch up an armour that was somehow broken during the last battle. Obviously the Qunari would army would be expected to be capable of doing this. And I don't see why you would think that Qunari heavy armor is rare, when it is stated in the lore that it was the heavily armed and armoured troops of the Qunari that made all the difference in the Qunari Wars.

We haven't seen many heavily armoured Qunari yet, because it wouldn't make sense for us to see them yet. In all the situations where we have seen a large number of Qunari, they have been marines, and thus it wouldn't make sense for them to wear heavy armor.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 11 décembre 2013 - 09:31 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Naked Gallic and Celtic Warriors? lol

Now I understand (remember) why they failed miserably against the Romans and Germanic tribes!

It took the Romans several decades of perpetual warfare to pacify the Gauls and Celts of modern day France, and they never really pacified Albion (modern day British Isles), and they only attempted once to pacify the Germans and failed miserably.

[Vulpe]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

I'm not denying the existence of qunari heavy armor, I just think that is uncommon and used only in certain situations and I doubt that the soldiers can make their own armor from brute materials. 

A field repair in medieval sense would be to patch up an armour that was somehow broken during the last battle. Obviously the Qunari would army would be expected to be capable of doing this. And I don't see why you would think that Qunari heavy armor is rare, when it is stated in the lore that it was the heavily armed and armoured troops of the Qunari that made all the difference in the Qunari Wars.

We haven't seen many heavily armoured Qunari yet, because it wouldn't make sense for us to see them yet. In all the situations where we have seen a large number of Qunari, they have been marines, and thus it wouldn't make sense for them to wear heavy armor.

Again, I'm not contesting that they could repair and patch their armor. I'm just saying that if they had some iron bars, a furnace and some leather they wouldn't know how to transform those materials into a chestplate or helmet or whatever.

By rare I'm trying to say that you rarely see one in it. As you said, they used them in the qunari wars. For the usual theodosian, a qunari in heavy armor would be a rare sight. The only ones that might have to deal more with qunari armored like that is Tevinter. I'm trying to say exactly what you said in your last sentence - people wouldn't see them as often and it wouldn't make sense for a qunari to dress in one if he's not going to war.

I think that the closest we can get to the qunari heavy armor is that concept with an armored qunari warrior that has a chestplate ( or chest gear ) with the seekers/inquisition symbol on it. I can't seem to find it.

EDIT

I found something similar. but this is not what I'm talking about



What is strange about this is that it is stated he is a qunari follower, but he still seems to have the inquisition's eye symbol. Maybe it's related with the ancient Sun cult of the humans from Par Vollen. It is said that the qunari found some strange drawings with beings similar to them that were always depicted in position of authority when they arrived there. Also, those humans seemed to revere them and were quickly assimilated in the Qun.

Here's a link 

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 10:02 .

[Dhiro]

Nah, I'm good.

[Afro_Explosion]

Maybe the material their armor is made of is good as steel