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[Xerxes52]

Followers of the Qun benefit from the "Chainmail Bikini" rule.

The more skin showing, the higher your AC. Modesty and game balance are the only reasons why they're not running around in banana hammocks (or going commando) like Frank Miller's Spartans.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@JulianWellpit, the Germans started to win when they started forging steel armors, helmets and big shields. I mean Visigoths and Saxons. When they were just some half-naked axemen they were just barbarians with little chance to win unless their enemies was messed up (had serious governing/commanding issues).

The Romans conquered all France (the main land of the Celts) easily and later southern Britain. Only the bravest and strongest of tribes by using the hills and mountains and facing low number of Roman legions could stop them. The Romans indeed have population problems and couldn't maintain big armies after since 3rd century to pacify the edges of their empire.

BTW if you were naked and you knew how to aim soldiers while riding a horse you were a natural winner! Like Huns, Turks and Mongols (and they at least had some clothes!)

In the late Medieval Age the finest of steel armor and weapons were forged and produced. 1000 Roman soldiers wouldn't stand a chance against 100 1st-Reich foot-knights! (a little exaggerated but stil...)

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Back to the topic, I think the Qunari should use thick Leader Armors.

[The Elder King]

While I don't want them to be naked as they were in DA2, it should be noted that due to horns their armor are probably different from the rest of Thedas. I'd like to see how Iron Bull can use the armour of the Inquisitor or Cassandra.

[Vulpe]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

@JulianWellpit, the Germans started to win when they started forging steel armors, helmets and big shields. I mean Visigoths and Saxons. When they were just some half-naked axemen they were just barbarians with little chance to win unless their enemies was messed up (had serious governing/commanding issues).

The Romans conquered all France (the main land of the Celts) easily and later southern Britain. Only the bravest and strongest of tribes by using the hills and mountains and facing low number of Roman legions could stop them. The Romans indeed have population problems and couldn't maintain big armies after since 3rd century to pacify the edges of their empire.

BTW if you were naked and you knew how to aim soldiers while riding a horse you were a natural winner! Like Huns, Turks and Mongols (and they at least had some clothes!)

In the late Medieval Age the finest of steel armor and weapons were forged and produced. 1000 Roman soldiers wouldn't stand a chance against 100 1st-Reich foot-knights! (a little exaggerated but stil...)

Julian is enough.

Indeed, the german steel is one of the best, but it's useless if the ones that wield the weapons made from it don't know how to use them.

The germans used the forests, mountains, night attacks, hit and run tactics, ambushes. They tried to avoid fighting in the conventional roman ways.Even when they fought naked they had shields,armor and helmets, but it wasn't that common.

As for the turks,huns and mongols...I know. We had some history with them.Still, they didn't win all the way through. The most they've gotten from us were yearly pays from Wallachia, but we rebeled a few times and gave them some serious beatings (and suffered some on our own turn too). Shepards and farmers versus specialized ottoman armies.

So, if the germans did it, why the qunari couldn't do it ?

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 11:18 .

[jaza]

Yes it does bother me. Hope we don't see it again.

[jaza]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

@JulianWellpit, the Germans started to win when they started forging steel armors, helmets and big shields. I mean Visigoths and Saxons. When they were just some half-naked axemen they were just barbarians with little chance to win unless their enemies was messed up (had serious governing/commanding issues).

The Romans conquered all France (the main land of the Celts) easily and later southern Britain. Only the bravest and strongest of tribes by using the hills and mountains and facing low number of Roman legions could stop them. The Romans indeed have population problems and couldn't maintain big armies after since 3rd century to pacify the edges of their empire.

BTW if you were naked and you knew how to aim soldiers while riding a horse you were a natural winner! Like Huns, Turks and Mongols (and they at least had some clothes!)

In the late Medieval Age the finest of steel armor and weapons were forged and produced. 1000 Roman soldiers wouldn't stand a chance against 100 1st-Reich foot-knights! (a little exaggerated but stil...)

Julian is enough.

Indeed, the german steel is one of the best, but it's useless if the ones that wield the weapons made from it don't know how to use them.

The germans used the forests, mountains, night attacks, hit and run tactics, ambushes. They tried to avoid fighting in the conventional roman ways.Even when they fought naked they had shields,armor and helmets, but it wasn't that common.

As for the turks,huns and mongols...I know. We had some history with them.Still, they didn't win all the way through. The most they've gotten from us were yearly pays from Wallachia, but we rebeled a few times and gave them some serious beatings (and suffered some on our own turn too). Shepards and farmers versus specialized ottoman armies.

So, if the germans did it, why the qunari couldn't do it ?

Just out of curiosity Julian, where are you from?

[Parmida]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I thought that was explained by the shipwreck cant swim in heavy armor

That's what I thought, but they seem to wear the same type of armor here:

There's so much wrong with this picture....

AHHHHH! SITHIS TAKE YOU! WHY?!! WHY MAN, WHY!? YOU BROUGHT OUT MY PERVY SIDE! I CAN'T UNSEE THAT NOW!!!















I hate you....

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@Julian, cool. You must be from Romania.

@Parmida, No. You're the perv one! He means that warhammer should crush the man's weapons and his skulls. We're talking about Physics!

[Parmida]

Ummmm....nevermind then....ahem...*blushes*




p.s- I hate math...

Modifié par Parmida, 11 décembre 2013 - 11:57 .

[billy the squid]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Did anyone else notice how in DAO, Sten criticized Morrigan for her outfit, but then:



o.O

That is somewhat jarring.

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I think the answer's probably going to be "because it looks cool."

That's never a good enough explanation for anything.

Artistic integrity is the real answer you're looking for. 

Then again the ladies wearing that is fine, yeah I'm sexist so sue me ****es. Male Qunari aren't allowed as it looks stupid, unless they have nipple rings, in which case it's okay.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Armor is for pansies is why. And maybe they prefer speed in combat over being encased in armour.

Next thing we know, Qunari get an Ego shield.
Excuse me, I think I'm going to be sick... I was reminded of something horrible.

Hail to the King baby!



DNF was a good game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Parmida wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
There's so much wrong with this picture....

AHHHHH! SITHIS TAKE YOU! WHY?!! WHY MAN, WHY!? YOU BROUGHT OUT MY PERVY SIDE! I CAN'T UNSEE THAT NOW!!!

Actually, I was reffering to the physical impossibiliy of blocking an overhead chop from a qunari..let along Sten wielding a GIANT HAMMER. The mass and momentum alone would make blockign a futile endaveour.

Of course, I now see you had a different mass and momentum in mind...

[Vulpe]

jaza wrote...

Just out of curiosity Julian, where are you from?

I'm from the Romania, more precisely the part that was in the medieval times Wallachia and I'm a highlander ( yes, we have the highlander and lowlander thing  - depends if we live closer to the mountains or the plains - among others . People prefer to use the name wallachians so that they wouldn't confuse us with the scottish highlanders when speaking in english ).

Kaiser Arian wrote...

@Julian, cool. You must be from Romania.

We have a winner !

Xerxes52 wrote...

Followers of the Qun benefit from the "Chainmail Bikini" rule.

The more skin showing, the higher your AC. Modesty and game balance are the only reasons why they're not running around in banana hammocks (or going commando) like Frank Miller's Spartans.

It could be that they have a more resistant skin that the other races. It is hinted that they are somehow connected with the dragons, so if they were altered using magic and dragon blood it is safe to assume that their skin got more resistant do blunt damage ( not the same level as the one of a dragon, but more resistant than the one of an elf or human ).

Also, they mentaly train themselves to withstand pain. They could be similar to the german berserkers when it comes to pain withstanding.

[Parmida]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Parmida wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
There's so much wrong with this picture....

AHHHHH! SITHIS TAKE YOU! WHY?!! WHY MAN, WHY!? YOU BROUGHT OUT MY PERVY SIDE! I CAN'T UNSEE THAT NOW!!!

Actually, I was reffering to the physical impossibiliy of blocking an overhead chop from a qunari..let along Sten wielding a GIANT HAMMER. The mass and momentum alone would make blockign a futile endaveour.

Of course, I now see you had a different mass and momentum in mind...

Oh...I think...I think I'll just go back to my hole again......gotta scrub my noggin.........

[Urazz]

I thought it was just so women can have their eye candy as well so the Qunari suffer from the chainmail bikini effect. XD

[essarr71]

Arguing about the design choices of DA2 is just silly.

Why arent they wearing armor? Same reason you fight in the same 3 areas. Minimal effort into design.

[Zatche]

Homer2101 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Zatche wrote...

There's also another purpose for armor in the game. Distinction. Different groups are made more identifiable by giving them stylized, unique, and iconic armor. You could argue that this could still be done while keeping practicality, but it's not a big deal to me.

In DAO, so much of the armor looked the same, you couldn't see the difference between Ferelden soldiers, mercenaries, etc. You could tell by context or dialogue, but video games are a visual medium. Why not take advantage of it to better express a faction's culture, style, or (for a lack of a better word) personality?

There is also that. There wasn't much distinguishing the different nationalities in Dragon Age; Tevinters looked just like Fereldans.

This could have been accomplished through distinctive armor design, rather than by removing as much armor as possible. I agree that armors in Origins tended to look similar to one another, although there were distinctions in color scheme and heraldry. But armor can be realistic and still have a distinct style. As a real world example,  the wikipedia page for mail has three examples of visually-distinct mail armors, and it's possible to come up with many more if combinations of plate and mail are used. 

I conceded that point in my post.

But it wasn't just for distinction. Giving the Qunari armor that shows off thier muscles was a stylistic choice to better express Qunari's brute strength and warrior culture. But it was at the expense of practicality and realism. It's a choice that doesn't bother me, but I can see why it bothers others.

Modifié par Zatche, 11 décembre 2013 - 01:11 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

hhh89 wrote...

While I don't want them to be naked as they were in DA2, it should be noted that due to horns their armor are probably different from the rest of Thedas. I'd like to see how Iron Bull can use the armour of the Inquisitor or Cassandra.

Armor, at least the plate varierity, is rarely pulled over the head, so I don't really see the horns as the issue at hand here. But rather the fact that Qunari are unusually large, so there wouldn't be any armor forged to fit them. However it being a game, I think it is one of those cases where gameplay takes presedence over lorem and for good reason.

[jaza]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

While I don't want them to be naked as they were in DA2, it should be noted that due to horns their armor are probably different from the rest of Thedas. I'd like to see how Iron Bull can use the armour of the Inquisitor or Cassandra.

Armor, at least the plate varierity, is rarely pulled over the head, so I don't really see the horns as the issue at hand here. But rather the fact that Qunari are unusually large, so there wouldn't be any armor forged to fit them. However it being a game, I think it is one of those cases where gameplay takes presedence over lorem and for good reason.

So the Qunari can make dreadnought ships but can't make armor? Or do you mean that there is no armor in Kirkwall that could fit them and no one in Kirkwall to forge them new armor?

[The Elder King]

@EmperorSahlertz: Thanks for the clarification.

[Wulfram]

When we're seeing the real core of the Qunari army, I'd hope to see some armour. But they could save revealing the armoured units for a nice "oh, we're in for it now" moment.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Armor never was as readily avilable as people take it to be. In fantasy, you have everyone and their dog runnign around in full plate.
In reality, even large armies are woefully underequipped. Heck, even soldiers in armies of TODAY will often complain about lack of proper equipment.

[Exaltation]

Cuz Qunari looks good shirtless duh,if only all hot males would walk shirtless on the streets lol.

[Vulpe]

jaza wrote...

So the Qunari can make dreadnought ships but can't make armor? Or do you mean that there is no armor in Kirkwall that could fit them and no one in Kirkwall to forge them new armor?

It could be that they don't have that much metal to permit using it at a huge scale. They most likely conserve it for weapons,cannons and maybe a few armors. It would fit with their policy that soldiers get one weapon that is their sould and that they have to use that weapon until it breaks. After they die, the weapons are passed on. It could be that they simply don't have enough metal for equipping huge forces with plate armor, just like the humans do with, let's say, the templars.

As for the high quality weapons - look at medieval Japan. They faced similar problems so they developed methods to make the best posible use of their resources and create high quality weapons.

As for the dreadnoughts - they are made of wood and they have a lot of that - tropical and subtropical climate.

I think that when it comes to armor, leather is their top resource, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of their armor is made from hardened leather.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 11 décembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[KingRoxas]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I think it's stupid, but whatever.