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[TEWR]

Abraham_uk wrote...

So really there is no real advantage in wearing armor. It slows you down and doesn't provide much protection anyway. That's what I was told.

Here is an article about how heavy armor slows you down.

You were told wrong. There's a video of a man in full plate armor able to move around very well. He even rolls with it.

[Abraham_uk]

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Modifié par Abraham_uk, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:04 .

[Volus Warlord]

If heavy armor was useless, the ancients wouldn't have made it and those that did would've gotten roflstomped at every turn.

It's more often the other way around: the unarmored or lightly armored tend to get slaughtered by cataphracts or hoplites or other heavily armored soldiers. Spare a few instances of asinine tactics, gross mismatches, or political strife destabilizing the military. Heavy armor wasn't truly obsolete till muskets, and that was due to economics and not combat.

Hell, armor is making a comeback, just in a different form.

I must conclude your article is BS.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Abraham_uk wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

So really there is no real advantage in wearing armor. It slows you down and doesn't provide much protection anyway. That's what I was told.

Here is an article about how heavy armor slows you down.

You were told wrong. There's a video of a man in full plate armor able to move around very well. He even rolls with it.

I stand corrected then.
I haven't worn full plate armor. It just looks so heavy.

How about durability?
How durable is full plate armor?


If a trained 1 handed axe specialist were to grab an axe and repeatedly hack the armor, how many hacks could this full plate armor sustain?

How about bolts? I hear bolts have higher penetration than arrows. I'm not sure if the story is true, but I've heard a crossbow bolt once penetrated a tank.

Genereally heavy plate armour was impenetrable to most conventional weapons in medieval times. The usual tactic was to attack the joints, or to try and slip a knife/blade in between the plates. The warhammers also had their use, since if swung with enough force could bend the armour, and hurt the one wearing it. But generally speaking Knights were pretty much invincible to the common soldier. Until crossbow and hand cannon technology caught up.

[Abraham_uk]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Genereally heavy plate armour was impenetrable to most conventional weapons in medieval times. The usual tactic was to attack the joints, or to try and slip a knife/blade in between the plates. The warhammers also had their use, since if swung with enough force could bend the armour, and hurt the one wearing it. But generally speaking Knights were pretty much invincible to the common soldier. Until crossbow and hand cannon technology caught up.

So what kind of training would be needed to wear heavy plate armor?
Wouldn't the average joe pass out?Only a specialised kind of soldier would be allowed to wear heavy plate armor right?

How heavy is heavy armor exactly?

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:14 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The weight of heavy armour varied greatly. It could range anywhere from 25kg to over 50kg. It might sound like a lot, but what many forget is that the weight was often distributed evenly across your entire body, which ment that it wasn't all that hard to carry. Of course you couldn't be a weakling and carry such armour, but most noblemen had trained their entire life to fight as a Knight.

[Abraham_uk]

Here is what I don't get.

Now I understand that some in game armors may have legs and arms less heavily armored than the chest area (which is where the vital organs). This is for mobility. I get it.

However some armor has arms and legs heavily armored but deliberately leave out any armor for the chest. One protagonist feels the need to stitch a cross. Oh Dante!

What possible advantage could that have? He is still heavily armored, in the arms and legs. So he doesn't gain any mobility bonuses. So he's less mobile and more vulnerable to attack. Not to mention what kind of diseases he might contract from stitching a cross to his chest. Makes no sense.


As for the Qunari. Why are they having armor for their legs yet no armor for their chest?
Is there a medical reason?
Do Qunari have a breathing condition that means if they were to wear armor, they could suffocate and die?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Here is what I don't get.

Now I understand that some in game armors may have legs and arms less heavily armored than the chest area (which is where the vital organs). This is for mobility. I get it.

However some armor has arms and legs heavily armored but deliberately leave out any armor for the chest. One protagonist feels the need to stitch a cross. Oh Dante!

What possible advantage could that have? He is still heavily armored, in the arms and legs. So he doesn't gain any mobility bonuses. So he's less mobile and more vulnerable to attack. Not to mention what kind of diseases he might contract from stitching a cross to his chest. Makes no sense.


As for the Qunari. Why are they having armor for their legs yet no armor for their chest?
Is there a medical reason?
Do Qunari have a breathing condition that means if they were to wear armor, they could suffocate and die?

Game don't really ahve to follow the rules of practicality, reliability and function when it coes to armour. More often than not is tehre only one rule for armours in game: the rule of cool. If it looks cool, it doesn't matter if it isn't practical or even realistic.
And we have already explained several times why the Qunari we encounter are lightly armoured. Several times in this thead even.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Game don't really ahve to follow the rules of practicality, reliability and function when it coes to armour.

They should.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Game don't really ahve to follow the rules of practicality, reliability and function when it coes to armour.

They should.

Fiction will be fiction, and they can follow whatever rules they damn well please.

[Jergles]

i mean honestly what can you expect. you go from Sten (a dark skinned humanoid with a ponytail) as the baseline for all qunari in the future to huge demonic dudes with horns. I'm pretty sure common sense and canon has been thrown out by now

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Personaly i see it as the Red Sonja and Conan trope the less practical the better.
There may be a religious aspect to there attire as gladiators and gladiatorex kept there chests bare as a badge of honnor.

[Joy Divison]

Just want to pop in and give kudos to EmperorSahlertz. Just about everything he says squares with the historical literature that I am familiar with

[Ananka]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Did anyone else notice how in DAO, Sten criticized Morrigan for her outfit, but then:



o.O

Well, that was not designed by anybody with breasts, I'll tell you that. That outfit in combat (or outside of combat) would be very uncomfortable and very impractical.
But I guess it's because demographics.

[Vulpe]

Annaka wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Did anyone else notice how in DAO, Sten criticized Morrigan for her outfit, but then:



o.O

Well, that was not designed by anybody with breasts, I'll tell you that. That outfit in combat (or outside of combat) would be very uncomfortable and very impractical.
But I guess it's because demographics.

She's a priest, so combat wouldn't be her first priority.

[Afro_Explosion]

^ If she's a priest I need to confess.

[Vulpe]

From my understanding, you are into horny priestesses...

[Lebanese Dude]

Annaka wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Did anyone else notice how in DAO, Sten criticized Morrigan for her outfit, but then:



o.O

Well, that was not designed by anybody with breasts, I'll tell you that. That outfit in combat (or outside of combat) would be very uncomfortable and very impractical.
But I guess it's because demographics.

Qunari aren't human so perhaps females have a stronger core that makes all of their breasts stand upright and firm?

Hey you never know.

[nijnij]

Yeah, it's like the randomly-barefoot Elves in DA2... i still don't get it. i'm all in favor of concept art being cool/edgy/whatever but to me this is just, well, random. i'd actually be less bothered by it if they wore zero armor, it's that selective just-one-shoulder/arm/whatever thing that breaks my suspension of disbelief by basically implying armor is purely cosmetic. It works for creating a "ragtag"  feel, which I guess is partly what they were trying to achieve with the Qunari and Darkspawn, but if every guy from a given faction has the exact same armor/model, then it looks like it's actually their uniform and that's kind of odd.

[Vit246]

Lebdood wrote...

Annaka wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Did anyone else notice how in DAO, Sten criticized Morrigan for her outfit, but then:



o.O

Well, that was not designed by anybody with breasts, I'll tell you that. That outfit in combat (or outside of combat) would be very uncomfortable and very impractical.
But I guess it's because demographics.

Qunari aren't human so perhaps females have a stronger core that makes all of their breasts stand upright and firm?

Hey you never know.

Please. Lets not pretend that this is anything more than demographic targeting.
Look at Miranda and Samara.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

yep 15 year old boys and awekward yong girls who only play it for the story line.
look i watched batman returns 15 times for the story ok?
you guys can give the Straight girls and Gat guys Stens Abbs while we go look at jiggle physics. jokeing asside the whole gender armour always annoyed me.

[Abraham_uk]

su lu pi wrote...

yep 15 year old boys and awekward yong girls who only play it for the story line.
look i watched batman returns 15 times for the story ok?
you guys can give the Straight girls and Gat guys Stens Abbs while we go look at jiggle physics. jokeing asside the whole gender armour always annoyed me.

Hmm.

College Humor has something to say about female armour.

Check out this video.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Oh ive seen that and chain mail bikini squad laughed my arse off.
I've figured something out Qunari have verry sticky nipples allowing the female to ware skimpy underboob tops or just post its and making it difficult for them to wear armour tops.
only the hornless are imune to this. Sten translates as Tefflon nipple im Qune.

[Sylvius the Mad]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fiction will be fiction, and they can follow whatever rules they damn well please.

And I will criticise those rules if they don't make sense.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fiction will be fiction, and they can follow whatever rules they damn well please.

And I will criticise those rules if they don't make sense.

Why should they "make sense"?