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[Battlebloodmage]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Chanda wrote...

Somewhere, David Gaider is face-palming.

Isn't he the one that said the term could still apply?
In my opinion a term is needed for a grey giant person born outside the qun and qunari or tal-vasoth just isn't very accurate.

I would love for you to find me where he said that. Use whatever you want, David Gaider stated that it would not be the correct term, but you are free to use it if you want. Like he said, I don't know why you care so much what people called. It's incorrect but if you want to call them that then go ahead, no one stopping.

Mary Kirby clarified this on top of David Gaider:

" "Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. "

It's akin to calling Christianity Abrahamic. It's not a term culturally relevant anymore.

As Gaider had stated many times:

"People also use it incorrectly, using Kossith when what they actually mean is Tal-Vashoth.

It's also not a term the Qunari would use themselves. If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari. Members of their religion who are not also part of the horned race are generally called Viddathari. If you really want to say "Kossith", that's up to you-- we can hardly stop you, and I've no idea why you'd care about what we think-- but it's a little annoying when people roll out "Kossith" first, when everyone would know what they're talking about if they just said "Qunari"."

No one can stop you from using it even if it's not the actual meaning of the word. If you have any quote from David Gaider or any main writer that Kossith can be used for Qunari then I would gladly concede. I don't see how I'm trying when you're the one who quoted me and tried to argue about the terminology, but who cares about technicality and details anyway? 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:09 .

[Rebel Wolf]

You are the ones who tried to argue about it,Kossith is the only name I will ever use.
Unless I am talking about an actual Tal-Vashoth or Qunari.
Instead of letting people call it what they want you had to start up with an argument.
If you are that worried about people who called them other things I think we should call them greyskulls.
That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:13 .

[Ser Alicia]

... *clears throat* back on topic then...

I would love the option to change the hair color of my female Qunquisitor.

I might not use it, though. I would probably just keep her long, flowy locks a bright white or a silvery grey, but the option to change it should be there for those who want to use it. I see no problem in having a blonde or a red headed Qunquisitor... in fact, they might actually look pretty awesome.

So, OP, I guess my answer to your last question is: I certainly hope so.

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, don't engage in a conversation that have nothing to do with you then call them a troll for giving factual information, it would just make you look bad. If you want to use it, I don't care, use it. I don't see the point of you trying to correct people when it's based on what you personally feel like using instead of what game intended for the term to be. I'm not worried about it, I made an observation based on the discussion some other people already had. You're the one who feel the need to take it personal and start to insult people. If you re-read my first post, I even advocate for people to use it however they want.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:18 .

[Rebel Wolf]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Well, don't engage in a conversation that have nothing to do with you then call them a troll for giving factual information, it would just make you look bad. If you want to use it, I don't care, use it. I don't see the point of you trying to correct people when it's based on what you personally feel like using instead of what game intended for the term to be. I'm not worried about it, I made an observation based on the discussion some other people already had. You're the one who feel the need to take it personal and start to insult people. If you re-read my first post, I even advocate for people to use it however they want.

It did have something to do with me as I had called them Kossith,and they felt the need to correct me.
And as this topic has nothing to do with what we call the creatures then s/he was indeed trying to start an argument.
I would think off topic spamming would make them look bad,but whatever.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:24 .

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't see how it has to do with me. I wasn't the one who brought it up and it was an off-handed comment based on pre-existing conversation alongside with an on-topic comment, and I posted time and time again that people are free to use whatever term they want. I don't see the point you're trying to argue here. Many people here have strong opinions about the game, that's why they're here to talk about stuffs they passionate about. I would just try to ignore conversation that upset me rather than engaging in it since I doubt anything would come out of it. At the end of the day, they still call Qunari Qunari while you would still call them Kossith. I can see it from both sides since it would be easier for classification to call them kossith while it would be more in tune with the lore to call them Qunari. Both sides should just shake hand and call it tomato and tomahto.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Wissenschaft]

Never, Tomahto is just as wrong as Kossith. Its Qunari and we've already had people on this board asking what is a Kossith. If its not going to be used in game it will just confuse anyone new to the boards. Bioware should just put a codex into the game stating the term kossith is outdate and incorrect though that would be werid considering almost no one in Thedas has heard of the term.

Somehow, I doubt they are going to limit the hair colors of our QUNARI characters. I expect well get the same customization options of any other race.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 13 décembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Never, Tomahto is just as wrong as Kossith. Its Qunari and we've already had people on this board asking what is a Kossith. If its not going to be used in game it will just confuse anyone new to the boards. Bioware should just put a codex into the game stating the term kossith is outdate and incorrect though that would be werid considering almost no one in Thedas has heard of the term.

Somehow, I doubt they are going to limit the hair colors of our QUNARI characters. I expect well get the same customization options of any other race.

And we've already had lots of people ask questions like:
'Will we be able to play as a mage Qunari? Will we be chained like a Saarebas?'
and
"Will we be able to be a female Qunari and be a Warrior?'

Qunari is more problematic than Kossith. IMO, especially when describing the PC, but whatev.

[Rebel Wolf]

They aren't qunari though,so they could be a female warrior or mage.
I personally didn't think the explanation made any sense at all.
Qunari are of the qun not a race.
Which is why since my Kossith was probably born free of the qun he will be a carefree,take your fun while you can character very unlike the qunari.
And he will have so much sexytimes the qunari would not approve of.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 13 décembre 2013 - 08:59 .

[Wissenschaft]

I doubt the Qunari of the Qun will care what an Inquisitor Qunari does since he/she will not be part of the Qun and therefore irrelevant.

[Wissenschaft]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

Never, Tomahto is just as wrong as Kossith. Its Qunari and we've already had people on this board asking what is a Kossith. If its not going to be used in game it will just confuse anyone new to the boards. Bioware should just put a codex into the game stating the term kossith is outdate and incorrect though that would be werid considering almost no one in Thedas has heard of the term.

Somehow, I doubt they are going to limit the hair colors of our QUNARI characters. I expect well get the same customization options of any other race.

And we've already had lots of people ask questions like:
'Will we be able to play as a mage Qunari? Will we be chained like a Saarebas?'
and
"Will we be able to be a female Qunari and be a Warrior?'

Qunari is more problematic than Kossith. IMO, especially when describing the PC, but whatev.

You'd still have to ask those same questions even when using the term Kossith so you've solved nothing and you've added a bunch of futher questions. WTF is a Kossith? Is that any different from a Qunari? Why isn't Kossith ever mentioned in game? ETC.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 13 décembre 2013 - 09:15 .

[Rebel Wolf]

Wissenschaft wrote...

I doubt the Qunari of the Qun will care what an Inquisitor Qunari does since he/she will not be part of the Qun and therefore irrelevant.

Yeah,it's not like they force people to believe what they do,oh wait....

[Wissenschaft]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

I doubt the Qunari of the Qun will care what an Inquisitor Qunari does since he/she will not be part of the Qun and therefore irrelevant.

Yeah,it's not like they force people to believe what they do,oh wait....

But if our Qunari is not part of the Qun then he won't be forced to do anything. We'll be far way from the Qunari lands in Orlais therefore they are not going to be able to force us to do anything. If we meet fellow Qunari of the Qun then they will treat us like any other BAS, race is unimportant to the Qunari.

[Rebel Wolf]

We don't have a qunari,because they are of the qun is my point.

[leaguer of one]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

We don't have a qunari,because they are of the qun is my point.

Qunari is refered to the race and/or religion. It can be both or ether or. Even if they are not part of the qun, Kossith is incorrect anyway.

It's ether Qunari or Tal' vethos.

No Kossith. 
The term is so unknown that even th Qunari you will be playing as will no know that word exsisted.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 15 décembre 2013 - 06:31 .

[Dutchess]

leaguer of one wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

We don't have a qunari,because they are of the qun is my point.

Dunari is refered to the race and/or religion. It can be both or ether or. Even if they are not part of the qun, Kossith is incorrect anyway.

What's a Dunari?  Another term to add to the confusion!

[Afro_Explosion]

Look I dont really understand the confusion that all people of the race qunari are not of the qun, when you think about it simple imo

[Rebel Wolf]

Wth,where did you get the term dunari?

[Rebel Wolf]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Look I dont really understand the confusion that all people of the race qunari are not of the qun, when you think about it simple imo

Because it says the exact oppisite of that in game,talk to Sten.
I hope they have horn and no horn options as well.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 14 décembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[Versus Omnibus]

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:

Every time I try to picture a Qunari/Kossith with non-white hair it just looks wrong to me. But I am curious if a Qunari can have non-white hair. A blonde Qunari would be quite the sight.

[Magdalena11]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:

Every time I try to picture a Qunari/Kossith with non-white hair it just looks wrong to me. But I am curious if a Qunari can have non-white hair. A blonde Qunari would be quite the sight.

I was just replaying Act 2 and noted that while all the rank and file Qunari had white or light grey hair (hard to tell with the odd lighting) the Arishok had ash blonde hair.  It actually was a different color than the rest even in the dusk scene at the compound.

I think that there will be some leeway in haircolor selection as well as skin tone.  Qunari skin tones are metallic tinged - silver, gold, bronze but are also described as ashen - greyed out versions of these colors?  For hair, maybe greyish metallic versions of other races'?

Now I'm tempted to start out as a Qunari just so I can see what's available....

[Macgeezy731]

i think black or white hair would be acceptable.

[Mead Knight]

Rather than the color, I'm also interested in what the Qunari hairstyles will be. I think hair like this would be awesome. 

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Modifié par Mead Knight, 15 décembre 2013 - 07:04 .

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

For the last time... it doesn't matter what you call them! Both names work just fine!

Fixed it for you. ^^;

No they don't. No one uses it in the story. They are the Qunari.

Gaider said we can call them Kossith if want to, so I do. 

[Trolldrool]

Kossith can be used in BSN. If you infiltrated Par Vollen and shouted the word from the rooftops, only a handful of scholars and priests would know what you were talking about.

In other words, stop telling people to not say Kossith in the forums. I personally always say qunari, never Kossith, but it's allowed on BSN.

And to actually respond to the topic, I also hope we'll get some hair colour options. Maybe keep it white at the roots or in stripes to point out that it's dyed.