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[His Name was HYR!!]

 To me, it's many things, but I'll focus on what I like about it to balance out the rest of the responses. 


I think of it like an "equilibrium point" whereby organics advance at the same rate as synthetics. Before the change, the only way for organics to make significant improvements to themselves is physical integration of tech (augments, implants). After it, they acquire the once exclusively-AI ability to integrate with tech on a mental level. And synthetics would benefit here given the ability to share/experience memories with organics, improving the efficiency by which they learn about us.

It reminds me of that scene where Brooks says she'll need a few minutes to decypt some data they got from Khan's office, and Joker replies by saying EDI can do the same job in seconds (but EDI says she'll give Brooks a chance to practice).

This would be a voluntarily-activated change, so if people don't want to use it or live differently, they really don't have to.

[KaiserShep]

I imagine quite a few people would be seriously disturbed/distressed to suddenly find themselves augmented in such a way, myself included. Who knows how less mentally stable people would react. As for ethics, the issue is that we simply don't have any good idea of what it means to alter the "framework" of all life. The way I see it, changing the fundamental buildup of others without their permission is a serious violation. I'd be inclined to seriously injure someone that aimed to do such a thing.

[DeinonSlayer]

@Kaiser, let's also not forget the effect this would have on pre-technological or even pre-spaceflight civilizations who don't have the first idea what the hell just happened to them or why.

Also, how exactly does synthesis stave off future conflict?

"Gee, these crates are really heavy. Y'know, we ought to make a robot that could-" *I HAVE A BLOCK WHICH PREVENTS PURSUIT OF THAT ACTION* "Ow... sorry, what was I saying? Right, I guess it's time to move these crates."

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's about as welcome as unexpectedly getting a syringe stuck in one's ass on the subway.

Well now I'll have that darting through my mind whenever I take the subway.

Watch where you sit, you'll be fine. 

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:20 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, all wires are now sentient living creatures so any attempt to build a robot for e.g. labour would just result in another hybrid species like the synthesized humans. Or something like that.

[General TSAR]

Stagnation and Schizophrenia.

[Michotic]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

The most controversial ending of Mass Effect 3 is also the most ambiguous. The explanation for what it does is more mystical than scientific, and the results may or may not have sinister undertones. Because the ending is so ambiguous, people can interpret it in many ways.

So what does Synthesis mean to you? Does it promote freedom or enslavement? Is it progressive or regressive? Maybe something completely different?

I realize that many of you will express negative opinions about Synthesis, but I'm still interested in your thoughts. Despite the widespread hate, it seems that there are varying interpretations for why Synthesis is "bad". And of course, there are some who think Synthesis is good.

I don't understand how making everyone a synthetic/organic hybrid would just end wars or create some magical utopia. It doesn't do anything to change people's nature, just their genetic makeup. If it does change people's nature, then it's an even worse choice than I had though.

[DeinonSlayer]

Michotic wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

The most controversial ending of Mass Effect 3 is also the most ambiguous. The explanation for what it does is more mystical than scientific, and the results may or may not have sinister undertones. Because the ending is so ambiguous, people can interpret it in many ways.

So what does Synthesis mean to you? Does it promote freedom or enslavement? Is it progressive or regressive? Maybe something completely different?

I realize that many of you will express negative opinions about Synthesis, but I'm still interested in your thoughts. Despite the widespread hate, it seems that there are varying interpretations for why Synthesis is "bad". And of course, there are some who think Synthesis is good.

I don't understand how making everyone a synthetic/organic hybrid would just end wars or create some magical utopia. It doesn't do anything to change people's nature, just their genetic makeup. If it does change people's nature, then it's an even worse choice than I had though.

It does seem to pacify Wreav, if the Krogan slides are anything to go by... 

"These are just a few of the images we've recorded, and as you can see, it isn't what we thought..."

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:52 .

[Wulfram]

"Not even wrong".

It's not coherent enough to form any real opinion on.

[RandomGuy96]

Everything wrong with Mass Effect 3, distilled into one scene.

[Ryzaki]

Stupidity. Ridiculousness, bending over for the Reapers.

[DeinonSlayer]

Wulfram wrote...

"Not even wrong".

It's not coherent enough to form any real opinion on.

"You just don't get it, maaaaan!"

[KaiserShep]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@Kaiser, let's also not forget the effect this would have on pre-technological or even pre-spaceflight civilizations who don't have the first idea what the hell just happened to them or why.

Also, how exactly does synthesis stave off future conflict?

"Gee, these crates are really heavy. Y'know, we ought to make a robot that could-" *I HAVE A BLOCK WHICH PREVENTS PURSUIT OF THAT ACTION* "Ow... sorry, what was I saying? Right, I guess it's time to move these crates."

Basically, what you gain is "understanding", but that's such a ridiculous load of hogwash it's impossible to take seriously. I dismiss it simply as the faulty logic of an insane entity. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 décembre 2013 - 01:01 .

[Konfined]

Nausea is often represented with the color green when used in media. And vomit tends to also be depicted as green in media. Diarrhea, associated with green. Baby sht, green. See where I'm going with this?

[His Name was HYR!!]

KaiserShep wrote...

I imagine quite a few people would be seriously disturbed/distressed to suddenly find themselves augmented in such a way, myself included. Who knows how less mentally stable people would react. As for ethics, the issue is that we simply don't have any good idea of what it means to alter the "framework" of all life. The way I see it, changing the fundamental buildup of others without their permission is a serious violation. I'd be inclined to seriously injure someone that aimed to do such a thing.

I feel that issue, I just think it's mitigated by the fact that its effects are limited to voluntary use after the intial wave.

And said 'wave can be justified as life-saving, anyway. I know, it's not the only life-saving option, but then you'd have to convince me the other ones are better. I think Red is worse. What's lost there is gone forever. Sync doesn't lose you anything. Admittedly, Blue is the most flexible/diplomatic, but not so much so that I feel honor-bound to picking it.

I'm not even convinced anyone would be aware a change took place if not for the green eye/skin-patten. EC shows people (those turians on Manae, or Palaven, wherever they are) react to the wave, not their bodies 'til after seeing their skin.

[durasteel]

Every living thing becomes a high-functioning husk, and every intelligent computer needs a therapist.

[durasteel]

RandomGuy96 wrote...

Everything wrong with Mass Effect 3, distilled into one scene.

Disregard my answer above, I like your answer better.

[themikefest]

It means for me that when I need a laugh I just watch the synthesis ending on youtude

It means for me that its an added definition to the word stupid

It means for me that everyone will now be looking like glow-in-the-dark-sticks

It means for me that picking destroy is the right choice

[Obadiah]

It means organics are fully integrated with technology and no longer need to create/enslave Synthetics. The inevitable destruction is avoided, and Organics and Synthetics are free to pursue their own destinies.

Modifié par Obadiah, 12 décembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Massa FX]

Synthesis to the dev's is full understanding and acceptance of other life forms to the degree that you become all life forms.

Synthesis to me is full acceptance, tolerance, integration of other life forms. Hence, Shepard achieved synthesis in ME2 and ME3 by having a diverse crew that includes synthetics. The issue was resolved by Shepard without a Crucible or RGB.

But that reality (game reality) was passed over for vaporous and profound analytical swarmy cross talk.

[KaiserShep]

Obadiah wrote...

It means organics are fully integrated with technology and no longer need to create/enslave Synthetics. The inevitable destruction is avoided, and Organics and Synthetics are free to pursue their own destinies.

The thing that I always wondered about this was: if humans, for example, are essentially still the same basic bipeds they always were, how does synthesis resolve their requirements for automated labor or dedicated computing systems?

[Massa FX]

KaiserShep wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

It means organics are fully integrated with technology and no longer need to create/enslave Synthetics. The inevitable destruction is avoided, and Organics and Synthetics are free to pursue their own destinies.

The thing that I always wondered about this was: if humans, for example, are essentially still the same basic bipeds they always were, how does synthesis resolve their requirements for automated labor or dedicated computing systems?

humans won't have a requirement for automated labor. They've become the robot, so they do the work themselves. (manual labor and computational projections are done with percision and speed because organics have the same abilities as synthetics).

All life is equal in skills. From birth/conception to death (if there is natural death under synthesis).

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think they would still use automated labor. Who would want to be a space janitor or work the space fields, we already get other people to do that stuff, it would seem reasonable that Orthenics would just make more AI to do that because the former Synthetics will probably start demanding pay.

[Cribbian]

iakus wrote...

Synthesis is forcing the galaxy to submit to the Qun. It is the removal of freedom to be who and what you are and forcing you to conform to some outside concept of "perfection" and "purpose".

It is the lack of faith in organics and synthetics to work out their differences on their own.

It is pure space magic, having no basis in either real-world science or that of the MEU prior to its revelation

It is a jaded, cynical outlook on the galaxy dressed up as an'ideal" solution

This

[Eryri]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

 

I certainly hope so. The alternative is accepting that Bioware really do believe that Synthesis is "the best ending". That this utter nonsense would somehow be satisfying to their fans. If so, then they and I really aren't on the same page.

It's basically a misanthropic "Rapture for Nerds." Acheiving instant "understanding" of others without the tedious and awkward necessity of actually getting to know them, through such tiresomely old fashioned methods as "talking to them" or employing "empathy". Why bother with all that mushy stuff when we can use the miracles of space magic technology?

Don't get me wrong, finding a way to short cut all that stressful molarky is as appealing to me as the next geek, but it's not how the real world works. It's not even how the ME universe works. It's just pure claptrap.

[ElSuperGecko]

Eryri wrote...
I certainly hope so. The alternative is accepting that Bioware really do believe that Synthesis is "the best ending". That this utter nonsense would somehow be satisfying to their fans. If so, then they and I really aren't on the same page.

I can't see it as anything but a trap.  I appreciate this will be an unpopular point of view with it's supporters, but come on, really?

Bioware has taken parts of Hordes of the Underdark's "Victory Feast" and Jade Empire's "Sacrifice" endings and combined them into a giant red herring.  Less than five minutes of sketchy dialogue from the self-admitted instigator of the cycle of extinction - dialogue which basically amounts to little more than misdirection, appeals to emotion, wild and unsubstantiated leaps in logic and the vaguest of assurances - and we get a proportion of players who are willing to take not just a metaphorical but a literal leap of faith, based entirely on the word of your enemy.

There's a word for that kind of behaviour within the games lore, but what else can we call it other than a trap?