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[Gotholhorakh]

f37 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Im just troubled that she doesent look like she did in DA2 at all. Varric for example looks pretty much the same. You dont think the change is too drastic? She looks like a completely different person imo, the similarity is completely gone.

I agee. I am tired of some fans making excuses for bad drawing/bad design on Morrigan's and Cassandra's faces.
But I suspect we're stuck with it.
It may affect my Inquisitors dealings with those characters, maybe no romances with Cassandra, which will be a big letdown ,but I won't romance her if I feel she's unattractive. I may not save Morrigan if she's in danger and I might not buy dlcs, although I will buy the main game.
shrugs.

Haha, that's comedy gold.  Not saving someone cause they are ugly...

Ahaha, perhaps on the internet or in an RPG people can cast away the veil of pretence and just be how they are and it ain't pretty .

The poster may be joking to be honest, but I think "pretty life" being worth not a lot, but just very slightly more than "ugly life" might be a real thing in people, perhaps this has been naturally selected for.

Maybe these days it's not enough to affect the risk taken in real life to help people, but perhaps just enough for strangers in a computer game.

Sicksadworld.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:22 .

[Walrider]

DinoSteve wrote...

Whats to explain her facial features and hair cut make her look like a man, therefore she doesn't look like a woman.If I walked passed her in the street and all I could see was her head I'd think it was a guy.

So short hair and strong jaw make someone mannish?

Jesus Chri-- You know what, that's enough internet for me today.

I'll just leave on a parting note that there are plenty of real-world women who rock strong jaws and short hair, my personal favorite being Milou Van Groesen. She walks that line between androgynous, feminine, and masculine pretty well, and I freakin' love it.

Bottom line is, what you personally see as 'mannish' doesn't necesarily make it universally seen as mannish.

Edit: Forgot this, but what mainly differentiates someone between the classic masculine and feminine archtypes has more to do with mannerisms than appearance. I bet if Cassandra was sporting a bright smile, earings, dress and killer heels, you'd probably be less inclined to lable her as a man. As it stands, I think Cassandra's mannerisms - what we've seen of them - are perfectly fine. She's a warrior, a Seeker, and, based on the trailer, a commander. She seems brusque, to the point, and a bit ruthless. And it fits.

Modifié par ObiWanJesus, 12 décembre 2013 - 12:30 .

[First Degree Mordor]

AmyBA wrote...

ShallowChasm wrote...

Edit: Also, to everyone complaining about how she isn't as 'pretty' as she was in DA2: so what? Why do some people expect all the women in video games have to be these delicate beauties with thin faces and long, flowing hair? (I know she didn't have long hair in DA2, but I've seen a lot of people complain about her short haircut) I for one loved her strong jawline and pixie cut. Many gorgeous women in real life posess some of these very features and look great, so cool it.

Unfortunately its how people are. I have shorter hair, a stronger jawline than most women, and I don't wear makeup. I am also taller and like to work out. You have no idea how much crap I get from men and women on a daily basis for the way I look. Women are always trying to tell me how I need to wear makeup and grow my hair out if I want to be pretty, men are always telling me I must be a lesbian because of how I look, I get told all the time my husband wil leave because he will one day realize he married a "man wanna be" rather than a real woman, etc. Its rather stupid!

See, that's so ridiculous, it's almost laughable. Almost. I'm so sorry that people are idiots and treat you that. My sister is the same, short haircut, no makeup, stronger features, takes care of her body, etc. and people are so awful to her, even her supposed "friends" because she doesn't look exactly how they think a woman should look. It just makes me sad that some people still think so primitively. (that's really the only word I can think of to describe it, because it is primitive) And you're right, it is rather stupid, and it just shows how blatantly ignorant people are.

[sylvanaerie]

It's a different engine. Growing up, I read a lot of comics and had to adapt to each new artist's style, so I got used to 'okay this person looks a little different in this perspective'. As long as they are true to their characterizations, I don't mind.

To me, Anders, Alistair, Teagan and Zevran all looked like hell when they translated to DA2, and Merrill was completely altered from her Origins appearance as well, although I felt she was still pretty. I didn't mind so much with the latter three men, because they still had their personalities translated intact, but Anders' complete personality swap from an engaging, interesting fellow to a humorless, fanatical stalker was quite jarring. I rarely used him because of it.

I have seen pics of Varric, Cassandra and Vivienne. While I can see there is a difference between DA2 Cass and DAI Cass, she still looks similar enough I can deal with it. And she doesn't have the 'looks like he's been ridden hard and put away wet' look that Varric has. Both have had alterations to their appearance. It can't be helped I suppose, but it's animation, not actors. I'm just going to adopt the 'it's a new artist' attitude about it as long as their personality traits are intact and they hold true to the characterizations shown previously.

If suddenly Varric has morphed from a charming man to a humorless douchenozzle and Cassandra has become a giggly Barbie doll type, then I'll be upset.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 décembre 2013 - 01:20 .

[The Elder King]

Anders wasn't humourless in DA2. Party banter shown that, and maybe dialogue too (not sure about this). Having a corrupted spirit inside you inside something you can shrug off easily, and he decided to focus on helping mages (which DAA banter with Justice shown already). It's true that during Act 2 his personality changes, and in Act 3 he doesn't want to joke, but that's because of the situation in Kirkwall. Other than he nearly killed one of the people he wanted to protect due to his rage and the instability of Justice.
I'm not a fan of Anders, but he shown his DAA personality in DA2, and the changes (both at the start and during the game) made sense.

[reeferdemon]

Before this thread deteriorates any further and gets locked, I'd like to throw my two cents in!

Reading through this thread I had a lot of thoughts about gender roles, appearance, beauty, etc. And you know what? It doesn't matter whether Cassandra looks like you think she does or not, because first of all you'll just have to deal with it, and secondly, I think it's appropriate for her character. She looks strong and and determined, and no I wouldn't say manly, but she definitely doesn't appeal to the typical idea of female beauty. But so what? I've seen girls that are far from that set idea that are far more beautiful because they look like themselves. Does that make sense? Cassandra looks like she should. She looks powerful and commanding, which is who she is. The meshing of that with the fitting appearance makes her beautiful in her own right. Is she a super model? No. Is that okay? Hell yes.

[sylvanaerie]

hhh89 wrote...

Anders wasn't humourless in DA2. Party banter shown that, and maybe dialogue too (not sure about this). Having a corrupted spirit inside you inside something you can shrug off easily, and he decided to focus on helping mages (which DAA banter with Justice shown already). It's true that during Act 2 his personality changes, and in Act 3 he doesn't want to joke, but that's because of the situation in Kirkwall. Other than he nearly killed one of the people he wanted to protect due to his rage and the instability of Justice.
I'm not a fan of Anders, but he shown his DAA personality in DA2, and the changes (both at the start and during the game) made sense.

I found him humorless and 'stalkerish'.  Even when he did muster up a bit of lightness, it seemed it was as if it was just 'going through the motions' never truly convincing to me.

So it was his altered personality I didn't like, though I wasn't all that fond of his looks (in either game), he was much worse in DA2.  Though considering the rough life he was living on the run, it was a logical progression.  

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 décembre 2013 - 02:52 .

[The Elder King]

@sylvanaerie: stalkerish in general, or during the romance path? I haven't played the game for a long time, and I tend to remember the party banter more than the dialogues, and my knowledge of Anders's romance is based on reading what happen, since I haven't romanced him.
I find that his former personality is still present, though it fade during the years. But my major point is that it was a logical progression based on the events he went through, an we agree on this.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 décembre 2013 - 03:50 .

[David Gaider]

ShallowChasm wrote...
Anyways, I think her new design looks great.

Thanks. I'm sure the artists would be pleased to hear that.

I'm also pretty sure the devs least concern is catering to certain individuals skewed perception of beauty.

Pretty much. The appearances for our major female characters run a gamut of styles, and I doubt there's a way to make any of them universally appealing. Some will be found attractive, some unattractive. We're okay with that. Not everyone needs to be a bland supermodel.

Also, to everyone complaining about how she isn't as 'pretty' as she was in DA2: so what?

I imagine it's not that she isn't as pretty (or, at least, I hope not), but rather that she just looks different. Personally, I do think she looks a little different, but only a little. If someone claims she looks unrecognizeable compared to DA2, I'd say that's pretty far-fetched.

It took some getting used to, initially, but I actually like her new appearance better (the one you see in the PAX demo, anyhow, which is a bit refined from the first time we showed her). Not everyone's going to agree, which is fine, but she's my character and I think she works... so meh.

Modifié par David Gaider, 12 décembre 2013 - 04:26 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@sylvanaerie: stalkerish in general, or during the romance path? I haven't played the game for a long time, and I tend to remember the party banter more than the dialogues, and my knowledge of Anders's romance is based on reading what happen, since I haven't romanced him.
I find that his former personality is still present, though it fade during the years. But my major point is that it was a logical progression based on the events he went through, an we agree on this.

I romanced Anders as a male mage character, and this was during my second to last playthrough, out of ...7, I think? Each time before, I had chosen to romance Fenris. I attempted to romance Anders, and I made it to his second Act quest, and then I started disliking it. Granted, this was from serious metagaming, and I only could not continue the romance because I knew what Anders was going to do. The romance itself was very nice. I thought he was sweet and kind, not to mention smoking hot. Not even remotely stalkerish. But I could not manage going through to the last act romancing him, so I slept with Fenris in the 2nd Act, and romanced him for the rest of the game.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I think Cassandra looks absolutely awesome.

[Hellion Rex]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I think Cassandra looks absolutely awesome.

This.

[Medhia Nox]

Bah, soft people are weak people.

Cassandra and Morrigan look good. They look like they're not plump little peacocks sitting in lounge chairs working at becoming dutiful trophies for a husband.

[Beerfish]

She now looks like Keanu Reeves!

[sylvanaerie]

hhh89 wrote...

@sylvanaerie: stalkerish in general, or during the romance path? I haven't played the game for a long time, and I tend to remember the party banter more than the dialogues, and my knowledge of Anders's romance is based on reading what happen, since I haven't romanced him.
I find that his former personality is still present, though it fade during the years. But my major point is that it was a logical progression based on the events he went through, an we agree on this.

Stalkerish if not romanced.  Five minutes after murder-knifing his former lover/friend, he's hitting on Hawke like they had just come in from an evening stroll. Stalkerish as in 7 years after my Hawke told him he/she wasn't interested he was badmouthing Hawke's LI and telling him/her that they 'deserved someone better' (as in himself). Between those instances and his fanaticism I was seriously creeped out.  

It was a logical progression I suppose being he was possessed, but it seems like Justice brought out all his flaws, smothering the traits I found likeable.

DAA Anders: likeable and friendly.  DA2 Anders: creepy stalkerish fanatic.

Another case of a personality transplant: Fatherhood seemed to make Oghren and irresponsible drunkard who abandoned his wife and child to go chasing adventure.  He also seemed to be a lot more touchy and lost his sense of humor along the way between Denerim and Amaranthine.  

I can put up with physical changes, but altering drastically a character's personality is too much for me.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 décembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: Thanks for the info. I can see why the knowledge of Act 3 could lead people to stop romancing Anders.

[The Elder King]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Stalkerish if not romanced.  Five minutes after murder-knifing his former lover/friend, he's hitting on Hawke like they had just come in from an evening stroll. Stalkerish as in 7 years after my Hawke told him he/she wasn't interested he was badmouthing Hawke's LI and telling him/her that they 'deserved someone better' (as in himself). Between those instances and his fanaticism I was seriously creeped out.  

It was a logical progression I suppose being he was possessed, but it seems like Justice brought out all his flaws, smothering the traits I found likeable.

DAA Anders: likeable and friendly.  DA2 Anders: creepy stalkerish fanatic.

Understood. I didn't like much how he talked about Merrill and Fenris if Hawke romance them (though I don't think he said anything about Isabela. I don't remember triggering any banter about it). Though I hated all the banter with Anders and Merrill  because he was an hypocrite.
I understand why you woudn't like him. Though I still see his DAA traits, he certainly shown a darker side, and with time it got worse. I understand why he turned out that way after the merge, and the fact the he nearly killed/killed one mage that he came to protect certainly worsened his situation. 

[Rawgrim]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I think Cassandra looks absolutely awesome.

Like a button!

[sylvanaerie]

Actually, I would have preferred if they never brought Anders back like that. I would have preferred a NEW companion who was simply darker than most, and ultimately does the same thing without having the "He was possessed so he wasn't himself" excuse. This would have been a dark character, back against the wall, doing a last ditch effort to get someone to listen to his cry, but someone still in full control of his actions, not a puppet on a demon's strings.

Still wouldn't stop me from killing him, but at least I would be conflicted about it. As it is, with Anders, by the time my Hawke kills him, I consider it a mercy-killing, for the sake of the man he once was, if Hawke likes him.  If he doesn't...well, that's a whole nother story.

And keeping on topic: I say it's worse to derail their characterization making them someone else entirely so that all the share with the original is a name than to alter their features with a new animation engine.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 décembre 2013 - 05:01 .

[AlexanderCousland]

David Gaider wrote...
It took some getting used to, initially, but I actually like her new appearance better (the one you see in the PAX demo, anyhow, which is a bit refined from the first time we showed her). Not everyone's going to agree, which is fine, but she's my character and I think she works... so meh.

I really enjoy the Female characters you write. I find them to be dynamic, mysterious, respectable and enticing.
(How can a Man be so good at writing Women?) Any chance you can write a Male character with a strong personality who isnt an antagonist (Lohgain)? As a male player, I've had a hard time remembering any of the male companions with fondness except for Lohgain and Sten, simply put....there's No bro's. 

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I think Cassandra looks absolutely awesome.

Like a button!

Thanks for reminding me of that line:pinched:.
@sylvanaerie: Well, Awakening hinted at that evolution for Anders in the banter with Justice, though I didn't think it would to that far.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 décembre 2013 - 05:05 .

[Iakus]

Cassandra looks fine. Not every female character needs to be Isabela.

[The Elder King]

iakus wrote...

Cassandra looks fine. Not every female character needs to be Isabela.

In which way she doesn't need to be like Isabela? Because I think you're referring to the latter wearing skimpy clothes, and nobody is asking this for Cassandra.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 décembre 2013 - 05:56 .

[AresKeith]

hhh89 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Cassandra looks fine. Not every female character needs to be Isabela.

In which way she doesn't need to be like Isabela? Because I think you're referring to the latter wearing skimpy clothes, which nobody is asking this for Cassandra.

He means in term of looking like a Supermodel

[KendallX23]

to be honest...at first i thought it was a man...because...she looks like a man...but it fits her beeing a soldier and all...