leaguer of one wrote...
This is a vastly differnet case then that. If you look at the peronality, beliefs, and actions of Meredith you can clearly see why she got the lyrium idol in the first place.
Ok then... What other logical reason based on her beliefs, peronality, and past actions would Meredith buy the red lyrium idol ?Lotion Soronnar wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
This is a vastly differnet case then that. If you look at the peronality, beliefs, and actions of Meredith you can clearly see why she got the lyrium idol in the first place.
That starts from the belief that you read her beliefs, personality and actions right, AND that your conclusions are completely logical and foolproof, AND are the ONLY conclusions one could reach.
And not a single one of those requirements is met by you.
leaguer of one wrote...
The evidince is her actions and her duty. She hunts blood mages. If she thinks blood mages are in the circle, what do you think she'll do?
'And so is everyone elses."Lotion Soronnar wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
My opinion is based on her action.
And so is everyone elses.So your saying all the resrtiction she places on mage in Act 1 and 2 and buys the idol for no reason?
It's not "no reason".
"I like the idea of a lyrium sword" is a reason.
" A red sword goes with my dress" is a reason.
"It's powerfull ang magical" is a reason.
"It might help me do my job better" is a reason.
Your reasoning on the other hand is broken. "I want to kill all mages - therefore, I must buy a lyrium sowrd!"
?????
First of all I did not say she was planning it from day 1. It a concept of getting ready just in case she has to.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
The evidince is her actions and her duty. She hunts blood mages. If she thinks blood mages are in the circle, what do you think she'll do?
There is no evidence.
I don't know what she'll do because I'm not a mind reader. And neither are you.
You don't KNOW. You suspect.
Knowledge is factual and indesputable. Your suspitions are not.
And, even if we assume that you're completely right in Meredith plannign to Anull the Circle from day 1, what does that have to do with a sword?
Buying a new sword is not a requirement for Anulling the Cirlce - in fact, a single sword is irrelevant to an annulment when she has an entire army of templars. Are you even listening to yourself? Your logic is so broken I dont' know wether to laugh at you or pitty you.
MEREDTIHS PLAN:
1) opress mages
2) buy lyrium sword (absolutely critical to my plan!!!)
3) ???
4) profit!!!!
leaguer of one wrote...
My entire arguement is based on her personality , actions and her dudty. It's based on that logic. Anyone looking at that can see why she did the things she did. This is a pretty common way to anyllize a character. You arguement is mostly just trying to disreguard the most logical actions her character would do.
Sorry but this is just following smoke to the fire.
No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.XxDeonxX wrote...
Probably because you never initially presented your argument like that.. You weren't talking of a Contingency plan you were saying that was her entire plan and this was fact. "She says it to Hawke in Act 3, go back and watch the scene" And no such scene occurred. did you forget you mentioning this? Your changing your argument because your losing
Modifié par leaguer of one, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:46 .
leaguer of one wrote...
"His eyes are repaer tech. He was under influence from the begining. Read the comics."
Cerberus has been shown as laghaubly incopetent, which is the complete opposite of the other lore bits (like reports and the devs own claims)
Same goes for everything. The entire ME 2 is a inconsistent mess. ME3 is even worse.
Period.
Save your breath.
I read the comics and it was clear he was not indoctrinated being the he stop the reapers plans to indoctrinate the turians. You are jumping to conclutions on that notion.
"Nope.
Cerberus has been shown as laghaubly incopetent, which is the complete opposite of the other lore bits (like reports and the devs own claims)
Same goes for everything. The entire ME 2 is a inconsistent mess. ME3 is even worse.
Period.
Save your breath."
Again, you're picking an choosing whats relivent to the story once again.
Cerberus has been show to succeed and fail at objectives. As shown in there file in Lo the sb. You can't picj a choose what relevent to the story or not.
That like saying the alliance is a failure because of how they could not protect their colonies in the battels before the batarian war yet ignoring that they won that war.
My entire arguement is based on the fact she is paranoid of mages, has a massive distrust of magic, fealt that the circle is fill with blood mages to the degree she fealt she had to turn mages who passed their harroing tranquil and constanly investagating and restrictiong the mages actions form act 2.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
My entire arguement is based on her personality , actions and her dudty. It's based on that logic. Anyone looking at that can see why she did the things she did. This is a pretty common way to anyllize a character. You arguement is mostly just trying to disreguard the most logical actions her character would do.
Sorry but this is just following smoke to the fire.
NO.
Your entire argument is based on YOUR interpretation of her personality, actiosn and duty.
Furthermore, even if your interpretation was 100% correct, the reasoning for buying the sword is STILL basicly headcanon.
It's an extrapolation.
if A then B. You are certain that because A there MUST be B. However, it could be C..or D... or E. Which you completely diregard and say that it MUST be A. Because oyu say so. Because you think that's what MEredith would do orhow she thinks.
That's all nice, but it's not conclusive. It's not the ONLY explanation. It's not even the most likely one (it probably is TO YOU, but now we're back to personaly interpretations)
So really, stop this clown act.
There is smoke, but the forest fire is in your head, and you're dousing a cigare-smoking man with water.
The Flying Grey Warden wrote...
Jesus ****ing christ can you, lotion, and massively just take your damn pants off and **** eachother already? This sexually charged arguing is getting ****ing irritating.
Just have a hate orgy and get it out your damn systems already!!!!!
leaguer of one wrote...
No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.XxDeonxX wrote...
Probably because you never initially presented your argument like that.. You weren't talking of a Contingency plan you were saying that was her entire plan and this was fact. "She says it to Hawke in Act 3, go back and watch the scene" And no such scene occurred. did you forget you mentioning this? Your changing your argument because your losing
Again, the file on Loftsb prove you wrong on that case. And if you want to argue about this some more pm me.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Cerberus has been show to fail in the WORST WAY POSSIBLE. It's fabled "competence" is only on paper.
Both TIM and Cerberus and inconsistent and badly written.
I told you before - save your breath. It is pointles to argue further, since you won't be convincing me.
Do not bother replaying to this post. I'm done with the TIM/Cerberus talk.
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.XxDeonxX wrote...
Probably because you never initially presented your argument like that.. You weren't talking of a Contingency plan you were saying that was her entire plan and this was fact. "She says it to Hawke in Act 3, go back and watch the scene" And no such scene occurred. did you forget you mentioning this? Your changing your argument because your losing
I don't think Annulment had yet entered her mind, though. I'd been under the impression that she was merely strict rather than insane, before the idol starting playing around in her head.
leaguer of one wrote...
Please, so it has nothing to do with the fact she feels their a mountain of blood mages in the circle and she feels the need to prepare to take them down?
No one randomly get a weapon to a degree of a lyruim sword, a sword that give more power the templars, for a simple reason of being more powerful. It's a means to an end. It was made with a goal in mind.
They would not get a red lyruim sword. This would besaying a cop would by an ak-47 to do their job.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
Please, so it has nothing to do with the fact she feels their a mountain of blood mages in the circle and she feels the need to prepare to take them down?
No one randomly get a weapon to a degree of a lyruim sword, a sword that give more power the templars, for a simple reason of being more powerful. It's a means to an end. It was made with a goal in mind.
Anyone who uses a weapon in their job has a reason to buy a better one. Simply because it's usefull in their day-to-day life and can POTENTIALLY SAVE THEIR LIFE ONE DAY.
No grand plans necessary. No sinister motives.
Why do people buy stuff anyway? For many reasons.
Sometimes simply because they can. Or because it makes them feel better.
And yes...yes they do.
Why does your Hawke replace his +1 sword with a +2?
Because it's better and may make his life easier (or save his life)
The idea that Meredith is buying the sword as a preparation for Annulment is redicolous and UNSUPORTED.
She didn't even know how powerfull it was to begin with, so the "nuke" comparison is pointless.
And even if we assume that you are right and she was buying the sword just in case she has to Anull the Circle..So what? What exactly does that change and why does it matter?
Modifié par leaguer of one, 20 décembre 2013 - 08:12 .
I agree that i don't want a Saren / Meredith / Illusive Man situation again. In Mass Effect it was nice the first time, because it was the first time, and because it was better executed and also introduced the topic of indoctrination which is a topic of the series. On the contrary, I really hated how the Illusive Man was treated in ME3. About Meredith, it's like you said... I liked DA2, but the ending with the red lyrium thing felt a bit stupid indeed.XxDeonxX wrote...
One thing that really concerns me about Dragon Age Inquisition is the writing team dehumanizing the antagonist again like they did with Meredith.
When you give the villain motivations and reasons for their actions like with Loghain doing what he did for the sake of Ferelden's security it makes for a good antagonist who to some can even be sympathetic and agreeable and if not this they at least make for a good well written antagonist.
Meredith was like this at well up until a certain point where we had the whole "Red Lyrium just made her crazy" when this happens everything just sort of falls apart and you dont really care anymore, your just there to kill the crazy lady and w/e. Same with the Saren and the Reapers its not good, ME would have been so much better if Saren was simply a rogue spectre making a power play or something.
So please stop making your antagonists crazy, possessed and brainwashed. Because someone like Loghain is so so much better =D
leaguer of one wrote...
No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.
leaguer of one wrote...
They would not get a red lyruim sword. This would besaying a cop would by an ak-47 to do their job.
The fact she was restriacting,tranquiling, and investagating circle mages because she fealt they many be blood mages makes huge statement of her state of mind.
If the templar feel the circle is fill with blood mages, they are going to make plans to annual it. This is a very core part of th story and lore.
Meredith felt there were blood mages in mass in the circel from act 2, you don't think she would make plans to annual the circle just incase she was right?
And you don't think she would get a pure lyruim power up as part of her preparation to do so if she has to?
As for Hawke, this is a case of story /gameplay segregation. It matter not if Hawke changes his weapon, it's not part of the story.
As if that were even possible..Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No, it matters.
This argument makes even LESS sense than your previous ones.
spinachdiaper wrote...
all i want as the protagonist is to usurp the antagonist and then destroy or rule the world
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